My Nvidia Conspiracy Theory

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Smoblikat

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This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).
 

toyota

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This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).
lol and what allowed them to sell the mid range gpu at high end prices? um that would be AMD's modest(for a next gen card at $550) 7970. so you can easily turn it around and say that if AMD could make a better next gen card then Nvidia would not be able to charge the prices that they do. you cant have it both ways as at least Nvidia gave us 30-35% more performance at the same price where AMD actually gave LESS performance per dollar with the 7970 than their previous gen.
 
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sushiwarrior

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lol and what allowed them to sell the mid range gpu at high end prices? um that would be AMD's modest(for a next gen card at $550) 7970. so you can easily turn it around and say that if AMD could make a better next gen card then Nvidia would not be able to charge the prices that they do. you cant have it both ways as at least Nvidia gave us 30-35% more performance at the same price where AMD actually gave LESS performance per dollar with the 7970 than their previous gen.

This post should have some relevant points.

If AMD wasn't capable of making a better next gen part, why was Nvidia losing to the 7970 and 7970GE for 18 months then? Took them a total refresh to get a <5% lead, and when they were losing they were charging more and not giving out free games...
 

Genx87

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This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).

File this under no crap sherlock.
 

toyota

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This post should have some relevant points.

If AMD wasn't capable of making a better next gen part, why was Nvidia losing to the 7970 and 7970GE for 18 months then? Took them a total refresh to get a <5% lead, and when they were losing they were charging more and not giving out free games...
lol Nvidia was NOT losing the whole time. the 680 was faster overall than the 7970 at launch so that was why AMD had to later release the 7970 ghz. and they also gave out games like AC 3 and Metro LL. nice try though but none of that matters about what I originally said.
 

BallaTheFeared

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This post should have some relevant points.

If AMD wasn't capable of making a better next gen part, why was Nvidia losing to the 7970 and 7970GE for 18 months then? Took them a total refresh to get a <5% lead, and when they were losing they were charging more and not giving out free games...

Because they were winning where it matters for a company, sales and margins.

They've had free games as well.

5% lead with their mid-range chip :thumbsup:
 

sushiwarrior

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I think everyone is confusing what I'm trying to say - the argument that Nvidia didn't "deem it necessary" to release the GK110 initially is kind of BS. Nvidia didn't have the yields until now, and Nvidia would lose money trying to compete with a 300-400mm^2 die with their 550mm^2+ behemoth. Nvidia didn't have the option to release GK110 along with the GTX680 at that time.

I don't want to be starting arguments about GTX680/780 vs. 7970/7970GE, that's been talked to death. I just mean that Nvidia didn't have the option of releasing GK110.
 

DaveSimmons

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So what did nvidia do that wasn't fair?

Lowering prices and increasing speeds doesn't seem evil to me.... ???
 

PhIlLy ChEeSe

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This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).


Bingo!
Nvidia is a Company and companies want your hard earned MONEY, I just think Nv went to far with pricing as they always have. Not many are all excited about Haswell so it make sense that there isn't much selling going on. also take into account that most people now a days buy pads and apple phone's etc. Add on top of that people have less income Enter the decline of the PC, everyone knew it was coming.......
 

tviceman

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I never thought I'd see the day that a bios update would qualify for a next gen card. Lmao

7ghz rated vram cannot be obtained with a bios update. It's the first and currently only video card with vram rated to run that fast out of the box. I don't understand your extremity with the situation. The card is cheaper than a 680 and performs better out of the box. What more do you want? When AMD's first 28nm cards were released, none of them offered any noticeable perf/$ advantage over existing 40m cards. Things have improved since then, and the 770 is an improvement right out of the gate. Prices for any video card haven't fallen noticeably since summer of last year so if you're complaining about prices, expand your complaint. Current prices are not the fault of Nvidia alone.

The 770 is a good product admist the current market.
 
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BrightCandle

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I don't really see it as a conspiracy theory. NVidia by chance seems to have more or less aligned itself with Intel's processor release cycle this time around and thus decided to make it official. It makes good business sense to both produce a refresh considering they could now get 7gb/s GDDR5 and achieve higher clock speeds reliably on the silicon. Titan is now mostly none in the business world, they made the super computers and they have spare chips so it made sense to start pushing it out to customers and harvesting the partial chips to increase yield on what is a large die.

I don't see conspiracy, I see some pretty good business decisions that have also brought lower prices to the market, its good all around for us and them.
 

eric_98

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This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).


If the 680 is a mid range card and it largely has the same performance as the 7970 then the 7970 must be a mid range card as well. Why blame Nvidia because AMD can't or won't compete?

After ATI sold itself to multi-billion dollar AMD, Nvidia became the underdog. Then Nvidia lost its chipset business. But it took huge risks to create and enter new markets, and relentlessly sought to add value to it's video cards. Even now Nvidia is fighting for survival. The graphics card for gaming is a dying business. Nvidia has entered markets where its competitors have tens of billions of dollars of revenue a year against it's four billion. During it's most challenging times Nvidia stood by its employees and earned their loyalty. It will soon return an additional one billion dollars of profit to shareholders instead of hoarding it. And the graphics card makers who use Nvidia gpus probably aren't complaining either.
 

NIGELG

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If the 680 is a mid range card and it largely has the same performance as the 7970 then the 7970 must be a mid range card as well. Why blame Nvidia because AMD can't or won't compete?

After ATI sold itself to multi-billion dollar AMD, Nvidia became the underdog. Then Nvidia lost its chipset business. But it took huge risks to create and enter new markets, and relentlessly sought to add value to it's video cards. Even now Nvidia is fighting for survival. The graphics card for gaming is a dying business. Nvidia has entered markets where its competitors have tens of billions of dollars of revenue a year against it's four billion. During it's most challenging times Nvidia stood by its employees and earned their loyalty. It will soon return an additional one billion dollars of profit to shareholders instead of hoarding it. And the graphics card makers who use Nvidia gpus probably aren't complaining either.
First post sounds like Corporate speak for Nvidia......
 

ICDP

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lol and what allowed them to sell the mid range gpu at high end prices? um that would be AMD's modest(for a next gen card at $550) 7970. so you can easily turn it around and say that if AMD could make a better next gen card then Nvidia would not be able to charge the prices that they do. you cant have it both ways as at least Nvidia gave us 30-35% more performance at the same price where AMD actually gave LESS performance per dollar with the 7970 than their previous gen.

HD 7970 was not a modest increase over HD 6970, it was ~45% faster and had much higher overclocking headroom. GTX680 offered a ~35% higher performance over GTX580 yet there were few complaints about GTX680 being a modest improvement.

HD 7970 was IMHO overpriced by $50, having said that it did give better price perf compared to Nvidia's GTX580 OC editions and GTX580 3GB.

HD 6970 release price: $369
HD 7970 release price: $549

49% price increase for a ~45% performance increase. So price/perf remained roughly the same. You can't blame AMD for not following the HD 6970 pricing considering it was new tech and much faster than the competition. On release the GTX680 did offer a better price/perf but that lasted only a short period before AMD price cuts and the 7970GE (re badged 7970 IMHO). Don't you think it is hypocritical to denounce AMD for releasing a GPU that was ~30% faster than the oppositions high end GPU (GTX580 3GB) for a lower price? Yet claim Nvidia are blameless for releasing a card with a similar performance increase for a 120% price increase (Titan).

For the record I think the GTX770 is an excellent GPU at last gens 2nd tier pricing so I think it gives good price/perf when taking only in that view. GTX780 and Titan pricing on the other hand is taking the piss. $250 price hike from 3rd tier to top 2nd tier card, $600 price hike from 3rd tier to top tier cards. Do you honestly think this is OK?
 
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96Firebird

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HD 6970 release price: $369
HD 7970 release price: $549

49% price increase for a ~45% performance increase. So price/perf remained roughly the same.

Sorry, the 7970 was 28-39% faster than the 6970 at release, depending on resolution.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/28.html

Also, why are you using the 6970 release price? Wouldn't it make sense to use its retail price at the release of the 7970?
 

Irishwhitey

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If you don't like how Nvidia runs their company then I suggest you not buy their products. That is the biggest way you can flip them the bird. And the same goes for Intel or AMD.

That's exactly why I did not go to nvidia this time and went with "Graphics by AMD Radeon HD" !
 
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