My Nvidia Conspiracy Theory

[flexy]

Nvidia "created" their pseudo "new" products GTX 770 and 780 (which are basically nothing but the old cards with GPU Boost 2.0 in the BIOS and slighter higher memory clocks)...

...so they can release "new" cards at the same time when Haswell comes out since they know that when new CPUs are being released, many people build new systems from the ground up.

People who are NOW getting Haswell systems and upgrade from an older system are the likely buyers for 770/780.

If the rumours are true that 770/780 sales are "slow" then solely because not many who already have a 670/680 or Titan would have an urge to get a 770/780, which, IMO should make the vast majority of people. Because, frankly, the 770/780 are NOT cards where one would be eager pre-ordering and then at the time they are in the stores they would sell out...UNLESS you have such an old system with a card older than earlier GK-104.

But THEN..those people who had cards worse than 6xx cards are likely not gamers/hw enthusiasts and not interested in getting a 770/780 either.

 

[Face2Face]

Not a conspiracy theory, just smart thinking and marketing from Nvidia.

 

[Kallogan]

You talk about the company who doomed us with annoying turbo boosts and released 770/780 with just higher frequencies and thus less headroom for overclock?

 

[96Firebird]

I love it. Lets make it into a documentary.

 

[Insomniator]

wat

 

[Imouto]

I love it. Lets make it into a documentary.

Mockumentary!

 

[NIGELG]

nVIDIA is smart ....annoying and irritating but smart just like Apple...

I see no conspiracy though.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Where's the conspiracy?

 

[Lepton87]

Turbo boost 2.0 doesn't bother me, I just use a fixed fan speed and slightly higher temperature target but it doesn't even get to the default, so it works at max frequency all the time. As for OC it doesn't OC at all. The only OC I found stable everywhere was +50MHz core/+300MHz memory it worked perfectly fine with +130 gpu offset only to crash in one game, all the other tests were stable.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I never thought I'd see the day that a bios update would qualify for a next gen card. Lmao

 

[f1sherman]

They timed series 700/M with Haswell?

Hasn't Nvidia already done this with 600M and Ivy notebooks?
Of all the sneaky tricks...

I never thought I'd see the day that a bios update would qualify for a next gen card. Lmao

7970 was famous for its flashing to GHz.
OTOH 680 can't be flashed to 770 because of much tighter VRAM, lower voltages, not to mention Titan cooler on few(sadly) chosen SKUs

 

[p_monks33]

I thought the 780 was a cut down Titan, not an updated 680, so its not like they gave the people an overclocked 680 and said " Here is your new 780". Am I missing something?

 

[Genx87]

Nvidia "created" their pseudo "new" products GTX 770 and 780 (which are basically nothing but the old cards with GPU Boost 2.0 in the BIOS and slighter higher memory clocks)...

...so they can release "new" cards at the same time when Haswell comes out since they know that when new CPUs are being released, many people build new systems from the ground up.

People who are NOW getting Haswell systems and upgrade from an older system are the likely buyers for 770/780.

If the rumours are true that 770/780 sales are "slow" then solely because not many who already have a 670/680 or Titan would have an urge to get a 770/780, which, IMO should make the vast majority of people. Because, frankly, the 770/780 are NOT cards where one would be eager pre-ordering and then at the time they are in the stores they would sell out...UNLESS you have such an old system with a card older than earlier GK-104.

But THEN..those people who had cards worse than 6xx cards are likely not gamers/hw enthusiasts and not interested in getting a 770/780 either.

I dont doubt for a second Nvidia decided to release these cards in time for the Haswell release. This would make perfect business sense to catch those upgrading their gaming computers. We wont get solid sales info until the end of the qtr. I personally think it is ample supply and not low demand why there isnt a lack of stock.

 

[exar333]

Nvidia "created" their pseudo "new" products GTX 770 and 780 (which are basically nothing but the old cards with GPU Boost 2.0 in the BIOS and slighter higher memory clocks)...

...so they can release "new" cards at the same time when Haswell comes out since they know that when new CPUs are being released, many people build new systems from the ground up.

People who are NOW getting Haswell systems and upgrade from an older system are the likely buyers for 770/780.

If the rumours are true that 770/780 sales are "slow" then solely because not many who already have a 670/680 or Titan would have an urge to get a 770/780, which, IMO should make the vast majority of people. Because, frankly, the 770/780 are NOT cards where one would be eager pre-ordering and then at the time they are in the stores they would sell out...UNLESS you have such an old system with a card older than earlier GK-104.

But THEN..those people who had cards worse than 6xx cards are likely not gamers/hw enthusiasts and not interested in getting a 770/780 either.

I will give you that the GTX 770 is a re-badged 680 at $100 cheaper (not bad IMHO). That said, you are dead-wrong about the 780. That product is new, and did not exist before. If you want to make a stretch, you could say it a cut-down Titan for a lot less money.

Both products interestingly-enough would disprove your 'conspiracy' theory anyway. Nice try though...

 

[sushiwarrior]

7970 was famous for its flashing to GHz.
OTOH 680 can't be flashed to 770 because of much tighter VRAM, lower voltages, not to mention Titan cooler on few(sadly) chosen SKUs

7970GE was never called 8950. Nobody would have an issue if the 770 was just called GTX680+ or GTX685.

 

[Genx87]

I thought the 780 was a cut down Titan, not an updated 680, so its not like they gave the people an overclocked 680 and said " Here is your new 780". Am I missing something?

770 is an overclocked 680.

 

[f1sherman]

7970GE was never called 8950. Nobody would have an issue if the 770 was just called GTX680+ or GTX685.

Someone has an issue?

And you're right AMD didn't call 7970GHz - 8950, only 8970

 

[sushiwarrior]

Someone has an issue?

And you're right AMD didn't call 7970GHz - 8950, only 8970

I don't feel it's a "fair business move", so yeah I have an "issue" with it.

Hahahahaohwait the 8970OEM doesn't really exist outside of a web page. Plus, OEM rebranding isn't exactly what we're talking about, OEM rebranding is just ridiculous for AMD and Nvidia.

Apples to oranges, apples to oranges.

 

[f1sherman]

yeah I know, you guys are very picky about your apples, and oranges, well... we're not supposed to talk about oranges.
sorry, but I call that having an agenda.

I don't feel it's a "fair business move", so yeah I have an "issue" with it.

Unfair business move? There is no such thing.
It does not even classify as unethical or misleading imho.

unfair business move

 

[SirPauly]

I thought the GK-104 with the GTX 770 is a new revision and offers 17-20 percent more stock performance with nice OC headroom --- replaces the GTX 670 price point. What exactly is unfair?

 

[SirPauly]

7970GE was never called 8950. Nobody would have an issue if the 770 was just called GTX680+ or GTX685.

It happens! The G-92 and G-92b did encompass different naming conventions as did the HD 5770/5750 and 6770/6750:

http://www.rage3d.com/articles/amd_radeon_hd6770-6750_rebranding/

 

[DaveSimmons]

I don't feel it's a "fair business move", so yeah I have an "issue" with it.

Dropping the 680 price $100? Those "unfair" bastards!

ATI/AMD and nvidia have been rebadging for many years now. That's life.

 

[SirPauly]

They timed series 700/M with Haswell?

Indeed!

 

[Highmodulus]

Dropping the 680 price $100? Those "unfair" bastards!

ATI/AMD and nvidia have been rebadging for many years now. That's life.

They put in Boost 2.0 and faster new RAM as well, damn communists. Its like the new Berlin Wall!

 

[toyota]

I never thought I'd see the day that a bios update would qualify for a next gen card. Lmao

um that happens all the time for BOTH Nvidia and AMD. and at least with 770, they did actually add faster ram.