My Nvidia Conspiracy Theory

[blastingcap]

No cause they were not intended to be 58xx series replacement cards. That was a naming fail not marketing fail.


Yes it was a true 480 the way the 480 was supposed to be from launch day one.

To be fair, if it's a die shrink or a respin with significant improvements, etc. I don't think it's as bad as a straight up 100% rebrand.

Also, amusingly enough, the AMD 58xx to 68xx thing was criticized for confusing people who might think the "8" meant top of the line, but AMD marketing went to higher levels of fail when it failed to brand Tahiti LE as HD7930 or something like that. Instead, they called it 7870 XT which even some forumers here don't realize means Tahiti LE. It would be like if AMD branded the HD5830 as HD5770 XT.

Two wrongs make a right?

 

[3DVagabond]

Beginning of the year the OEM's wanted new product to put into their new builds. AMD rebranded the 7000's to the 8000-OEM for them. Now, we've got a new generation processor from Intel and nVidia has refreshed their lineup to offer new product mostly for OEM but also for enthusiasts new builds.

Of course AMD, being a competitor to Intel in the CPU business, probably doesn't want to do anything that highlights Intel's new processor release. Thus, they wouldn't be inclined to take similar advantage.

 

[Irishwhitey]

so naming fail is okay if AMD does it? and 7970 GE was what the 7970 should have been on launch day. you are so blinded by your Nvidia hatred that you see nothing wrong with anything that AMD does.

I am not partial to AMD or nvidia I vote with my wallet though. 7970GE was not a fail on any level it was clear that what you were getting was a factory OCed 7970 and it has nothing to do with nvidia's level of re brand shenanigans ex GTX 480/580 debacle.

I will agree that the 480/470 should have never been launched in the shape they were in. it was hilarious to watch people defend those loud noisy pos cards for months after launch.

465 was the worse imo as it was the same performance as a 460 with all the pitfalls of 480. but anyway ...

 

[3DVagabond]

at launch the 7970 was around 40% faster than the 6970 and cost 45% more than the 6970 launched at. even if you want to argue that it was 45% faster then that is still the first time in many years that a next gen gpu gave no better performance per dollar than the previous gen. so yes that opened up the window for Nividia to launch a modest gk114 and beat the 7970 overall and charge 500 bucks. so no matter how you look at it, that would not have been possible if AMD had not raised the prices at the same rate as performance.

Here's your real conspiracy. Not only is it AMD's fault, they actually planned it that way. :whiste:

 

[3DVagabond]

That sort of thing doesn't really concern "enthusiasts" like us, and Nvidia and AMD are both equally bad at those rebrands (they really don't even try :'( ). We're talking about mid-high end rebrands, and the fact of the matter is Nvidia has a much worse history of rebranding.

This sort of thing shouldn't concern enthusiasts either. Anyone with more than 10 posts on these forums knows the 770 is the equivalent of a custom 680 (Whether they want to admit it or not.).

Beefed up PCB, better (faster) VRAM, better cooler, and updated firmware dropped to the next lower level in the lineup... I've seen worse things done in retail.

Team Green members running around here acting like it's anything else is where the conspiracy begins and ends, IMO.

 

[SirPauly]

It was good to see some price/performance improvements with 28nm nVidia sku's.

 

[SirPauly]

7970GE was not a fail on any level it was clear that what you were getting was a factory OCed 7970

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/12/

 

[Siberian]

I posted yesterday that the 7 series was launched along with Haswell.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35091154&postcount=215

AMD is no longer competition for NVIDIA. NVIDIA could have launched the GK110 early last year if the wanted to but it would have cut into the 680 sales. If you look at steam you can see that the 680 has far outsold the 7970. So NVIDIA was smart and has dominated the market.

 

[Irishwhitey]

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition/12/

I only read English please cite your sources to English sites only.

 

[Irishwhitey]

I posted yesterday that the 7 series was launched along with Haswell.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35091154&postcount=215

AMD is no longer competition for NVIDIA. NVIDIA could have launched the GK110 early last year if the wanted to but it would have cut into the 680 sales. If you look at steam you can see that the 680 has far outsold the 7970. So NVIDIA was smart and has dominated the market.

Being that the money is not in the high end nvidia dominated nothing.

 

[SirPauly]

I only read English please cite your sources to English sites only.

What it is saying is the HD 7970 ghz offers a more efficient core based on their findings.

 

[Irishwhitey]

What it is saying is the HD 7970 ghz offers a more efficient core based on their findings.

Yes the 7970Ghz use Tahiti XT2 silicon vs Tahiti XT in the 7970 non GE.
http://www.techpowerup.com/167711/amd-radeon-hd-7970-ghz-edition-tahiti-xt2-detailed.html

 

[Jaydip]

I am not partial to AMD or nvidia I vote with my wallet though. 7970GE was not a fail on any level it was clear that what you were getting was a factory OCed 7970 and it has nothing to do with nvidia's level of re brand shenanigans ex GTX 480/580 debacle.

465 was the worse imo as it was the same performance as a 460 with all the pitfalls of 480. but anyway ...

Lol you really know a lot.

 

[Ibra]

Irishwhitey, no independence from United Kingdom for you.

This isnt a conspiracy............just greed. Nvidia took a mid range platform (GK-104) and sold it at a high end price (680 for 550$). They then sold the REAL GTX 680 (Titan) for 1050$, its all about money. They locked down their cards and only allow you to use the USELESS boost "feature" to overclock, that way you cant OC it high enough to interfere with their next gen of cards performance (GTX 470 OC'd to 850 core comes to mind).

Have you seen "300"?

The god-king has betrayed a fatal flaw: Hubris. Easy to taunt, easy to trick. Before wounds and weariness have taken their toll, the mad king throws the best he has at us. Xerxes has taken the bait.

Nvidia released GK-104 (mid) cards to compete with AMD Tahiti (high) and successful done it until HD 7970 GHz. And now Nvidia has GK-110, AMD has nothing because of hubris.

Wake me up when you will have k|ngp|n OC skills. Maybe then you could demand Nvidia to unlock all OC capabilities.

 

[wand3r3r]

Irishwhitey, no independence from United Kingdom for you.





Have you seen "300"?

Nvidia released GK-104 (mid) cards to compete with AMD Tahiti (high) and successful done it until HD 7970 GHz. And now Nvidia has GK-110, AMD has nothing because of hubris.

Wake me up when you will have k|ngp|n OC skills. Maybe then you could demand Nvidia to unlock all OC capabilities.

Wake me up when you're done blindly supporting NV.

Why do you need "skills" to allow ocing? Apparently you don't have them if you don't think they need to be unlocked.

 

[Ibra]

Wake me up when you're done blindly supporting NV.

Why do you need "skills" to allow ocing? Apparently you don't have them if you don't think they need to be unlocked.

Achievement unlocked: slide MSI Afterburner pointer.

Nice way to call yourself a overclocker. :thumbsup:

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Achievement unlocked: slide MSI Afterburner pointer.

Nice way to call yourself a overclocker. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

+1 to slider bar skillz

 

[Keysplayr]

I wish there was a place where we can talk without all these RBM or second account Advocates mucking things up.

 

[amabre]

Nvidia also gives you free to play bundle 150$ in game vaucher for hawken,planetside2,world of tanks and metro

 

[tential]

I understand brand preference in a lot of things. But when it comes to things that you use soley for performance such as hardware, or any type of machinery it really makes zero sense to play favorites.

Why would you want to pay more for less performance? All this does is reward companies for doing things worse. What's the incentive of putting out a good product if people will buy the competition for no reason. In a land of so few competitors this is extremely harmful for the consumer.

With SO much data at our fingertips for this stuff, it really makes zero sense how there can be so much confusion, unless:
A) People are Blind fanboys (which is seriously unfortunate)
B) The majority of people are actually just stupid.
C) People are purposely screwing up views for their own personal reasons.

 

[SirPauly]

I don't buy strictly or solely based on performance but a combination of factors involved.

 

[sushiwarrior]

Nvidia released GK-104 (mid) cards to compete with AMD Tahiti (high) and successful done it until HD 7970 GHz. And now Nvidia has GK-110, AMD has nothing because of hubris.

Gk104 is 294mm^2, Tahiti is 352mm^2, Gk110 is 551mm^2. I would consider Tahiti to be equal level of GK104, they're almost identical die size (you could also say the difference is due to 384 vs 256 bit bus).

GK104 is equally as "high end" as Tahiti, GK110 is not even close to being a Tahiti competitor.

 

[SirPauly]

The two companies think differently!

 

[wand3r3r]

I wish there was a place where we can talk without all these RBM or second account Advocates mucking things up.

I'm not sure what rbm means but nice ad.

 

[wand3r3r]

Achievement unlocked: slide MSI Afterburner pointer.

Nice way to call yourself a overclocker. :thumbsup:

So you use ln2 and hardware mods? Sure thing.

It's perfectly logical for nv to lock and neuter the cards because everyone doesn't do that. M'kay.

That's probably the lamest excuse I've seen trying to defend the neutering.