That map isn't bullshit, what is bullshit is what you just typed. Yes, I know you are pro-union and can't think for yourself, but thats alright, you are old.
Of course not. Can you enlist in the military without "accepting" all the conditions that come with the job?
Don't want to join a union? Don't go to work in a union shop.
No...you are wrong. There is no "forced unionism" in the non-right-to-work (for less) states. If you don't want to belong to a union, don't apply for work in a union shop.
It's democracy in action. The majority of employees wanted to join a union...so the entire (eligible) workforce became unionized.
The union doesn't come to the company and demand that they unionize...the employees decide they want a union.
I work for a small non-profit social service company that has maybe 10 office staff and 20-30 shift workers.
I don't know many of the details here, but somehow one of the shift workers ended up getting some union involved and over the past year there has been a vote (which had whatever percentage of support to go through), and "negotiations". This upcoming week there will be some meeting where the final "agreement" is being presented and being voted on. I can't be there to voice my displeasure.
I also got a membership application form in the mail today. This is probably the third or fourth over the past six months.
I have no interest in being part of this, and certainly won't be signing an application.
Can I be forced into a union if I worked for the company before this union was brought in?
I am a shift worker, and only the shift workers are going to be in the union. I also know that none of the office workers like the union idea either.
The Collective Agreement between [employer] and UFCW, local [xxx], as negotiated will be a closed shop, meaning that those individuals who hold positions within the scope of the bargaining unit will be required to be union members. Therefore, if you will not be completing a Union membership application you will not be able to continue in your current capacity with [employer]. Members will have thirty (30) days from date of ratification to complete this obligation.
No one is forced to join a union.
Yes. Reference the many security contractors that are virtually indistinguishable from soldiers on the battlefield. They get paid more but get no benefits.
So can someone start a carpentry (or whatever) business in a union state and hire non-union carpenters for whatever he feels like paying?
Not all employees say yes, and they are the ones that get fucked.
No one gets fucked. ALL get the wages and benefits that are negotiated on their behalf. If they don't want to be union...they can find another job.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2201536&highlight=union
Sounds like he's being forced to join a union.
No...he's not being forced into anything. He's free to find a different job.
You're just proving my point, it's "join the union or quit", so fuck unions.
So you're saying you disagree with democracy?
Don't try twisting my words - I disagree with being forced into a union. And quit or join = forced
Security contractors are not in the US military service. You're being dishonest trying to paint them as such.
Once again...a union is a majority vote. It's democracy.
If your state residents all vote for a new tax that you don't like, you have the option to pay that tax or move to a different state. A union at the company is the same thing. YOU have the option to belong to the union or find a different job.
i agree with you that if you don't want to work at a union shop, don't apply there.
but what if it wasn't union when you started, but eventually became unionized?
how is that fair for you if you were against it, but all the other incompetent people that can't stand on their own 2 feet voted for union?
why am i forced to join? i should be able to chose whether i want them to represent me, partake in their benefits, etc.
Enough with the union discussion, lets get back to ragging on the OP.
Once again...a union is a majority vote. It's democracy.
If your state residents all vote for a new tax that you don't like, you have the option to pay that tax or move to a different state. A union at the company is the same thing. YOU have the option to belong to the union or find a different job.
So you're saying you disagree with democracy?
So what if the residents of your state vote for a new school bond/tax that you don't agree with? How is that fair for you if you were against it, but all the other people voted for the tax?
Why should you be forced to pay? .