HardWarrior
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Originally posted by: daniel1113
You guys are pathetic (no offense).
No offense? How about you just go ahead and drink some more Intel Kool-Aid(tm) and keep your insults to yourself?
Originally posted by: daniel1113
You guys are pathetic (no offense).
If ot wasn't SO OBVIOUS intel wasn't intent on just SCREWING us - changing the form factor SIMPLY 4 CHANGE (i.e. to generate more HW sales) - with a real "plan" it would be different.Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: daniel1113
You guys are pathetic (no offense).
No offense? How about you just go ahead and drink some more Intel Kool-Aid(tm) and keep your insults to yourself?
Well, How many fans are we running on our setup?...
Originally posted by: apoppin
If ot wasn't SO OBVIOUS intel wasn't intent on just SCREWING us - changing the form factor SIMPLY 4 CHANGE (i.e. to generate more HW sales) - with a real "plan" it would be different.Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: daniel1113
You guys are pathetic (no offense).
No offense? How about you just go ahead and drink some more Intel Kool-Aid(tm) and keep your insults to yourself?
:roll:
BTX deserves to fail.
Originally posted by: wickedone
May be we need two Standards one from Intel and one from AMD you cant put a AMD CPU on a Intel Board. Might be the the same way we go for a case in the future BTX for Intel and create CTX for AMD.
Originally posted by: wickedone
May be we need two Standards one from Intel and one from AMD you cant put a AMD CPU on a Intel Board. Might be the the same way we go for a case in the future BTX for Intel and create CTX for AMD.
Originally posted by: anthrax
Originally posted by: wickedone
May be we need two Standards one from Intel and one from AMD you cant put a AMD CPU on a Intel Board. Might be the the same way we go for a case in the future BTX for Intel and create CTX for AMD.
hmmm.....there will be 4 possible combinations then..
A Intel BTX board with a Intel certified BTX case
A AMD BTX board with a AMD certified BTX case
what about the possible wrong combinations..
A Intel BTX board with AMD certified BTX case
A AMD BTX board witha Intel certified BTX case...
Great ! this is getting confusing already................soo much for BTX being a standard...
I don't care at this point, I'll build using ATX or BTX (when it's out). It true that Intel does like to change things for (seemingly stupid) reasons, but BTX does look like it will offer better positioning of components. That being said, I usually don't upgrade my systems, but instead prefer to build a new one everytime so I won't have to worry about buying a new power-supply, case, and mobo as that is what i do already. The article did mention that AMD64 mobo's would be a little more difficult due to the requirement of keeping the trace-lengths the same, but I'm sure they will figure that problem out easily.
Yes, the can figure it out...build 6 or 8 layer Motherboards........ So that will be 6 or 8 layer Mobo with 105 million transistor build on a .13 micron 200mm process............. Thats going to make AMD solutions cost quite abit more than Intel ones...
Intel is probably doing this coz they got a huge problem with their CPUs.....
In the past 18 months, processor speed have ONLY went up 11% !
Originally posted by: piasabird
Computer cases are really just klunky boxes with no forethougt put into their design. You would not need more room in a case if we had better design.
Bah. No need to cater to AMD. They do, however, need to cater to board and case manufacturers, many of which despise BTX anf Socket-T.Originally posted by: Maverick
Not sure what my take is on it yet...but I will say this for sure...unless AMD jumps on board BTX will fail. And if Intel really wants BTX to succeed they need to cater to AMD a little bit.
Great, and when you need 4.38GB? Desktop drives need not be as flimsy as laptop ones. However, it's your choice. Nothing keeps you from using an expensive laptop drive.Originally posted by: piasabird
The biggest thing I see with a computer system is the size of the components that go into the case.
Optical drives are just too big and too bulky. They could all be the thinner type they use in Laptop/notebook computers. They could be a lot narrower if we dumped the CDROM as a media type and went to a smaller size DVD drive. You can fit a lot of data on a smaller DVD compared to a floppy.
They are about that big. You can hook a laptop drive to your desktop.Hard drives are also too large. They could be 2.5 inches wide. A lot of hard drives use only one platter but are still quite thick for a hard drive. The same drives that had 2 or 3 platters took up the same amount of space 3 years ago.
Floppies are there for BIOS flashes. No need to have them permanently installed.Floopy Drive is a dinasaur. It could easily be replaced with a flash drive. The cables take up too much space on a motherboard and get in the way. Many people do not even use a floppy drive except to load drivers and flash the bios. We could easily go to a Disk On Chip that was flashable or have one USB port on all computers that was for a bootable drive.
You can do this yourself, actually. Also, there are a couple companies working on PSUs where all the cables can be removed at the PSU.Too Many bulky Power Cables. Power supplies could be redesigned so they dont have extra power cables no one needs. Most of the time the power cables in the case get in the way of everything. Why cant they redesign a system to distribute the power to all the drives and fans. I imagine a power strip running next to the dries so each one can have a short plug that plugs into the power strip. Or just make power cables for the drives that pug into each other, that are molded so they stay together and dont have 4 wires for each terminal that can hang up on the computer parts.
You really, really, really never looked at old cases, did you? Can you compare the Chenming Dragon, Evercase E4252 with a AT case with three or more support bars in the way, ribbon cables everywhere, drive cages butted up against the motherboard, and with those damned U-shaped case covers? No. A lot of thought has gone into the decent cases out there.Computer cases are really just klunky boxes with no forethougt put into their design. You would not need more room in a case if we had better design.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
You guys are pathetic (no offense).
Originally posted by: Emon
You know, just because there's a new standard doesn't mean what you have gets any worse. Yelling "omg intel prescott screwing everyone else!" really doesn't help.
Video card not getting cooled? How's it good in ATX without modification? With BTX, at least you can have blowholes at the top or have the power supply take the hot air out. Hard drives, optical drives? Gimme a break. Opticals barely get hot. Yeah, they are warm, but they don't need cooling. Hard drives only need cooling if they're over 7,200 RPM and/or if you have a lot of them really close together. Same with RAM. Those are all gimmicks for cooling. I've been running 24, 32, 52x etc CD drives for years without any additional cooling, in many machines. And you know what? None of them have died. I've had arrays of IDE disks touching each other, those never died either. So unless you manage to overclock your CDs or HDDs, that department is fine.
Originally posted by: Wahsapa
i think if amd actually thought about it, there wouldnt be any problems with the a64 ram traces. i mean, if they could engineer cpus they can make a reference design for an a64 on a btx board, they just dont want to cuz btx is an intel thing
Originally posted by: anthrax
BTX IMO is porked...
There is no way a Athlon 64 can conform BTX standard on where the CPU is placed.
Why ? There is no way you can route even length traces from the Intergrated memory controller to the DIMM sockets.
Ah , but may be this is an advantage to Intel.
You could say, BTX is an attempt by Intel to change the standards and make life difficult for mobo who want make BTX Athlon64 mobo...
Its a classic case of a dominant company trying change the standards inorder to hinder the competition.