My solution to the gay marriage issue: stricter divorce laws

[dank69]

my views are that unless it harms someone else you should be able to do whatever you want.

That is way too common sense for people here.

 

[nehalem256]

You should just jerk off instead of thinking about nonsense such as this.

I'm not just being a dismissive asshole, either. Take your "Christian" morals and shove them. We don't need your approval to do anything. But even if you ignore that angle, your "solution" makes zero sense. You won't get "Christian" buy in, for starters. "Christians" aren't going to all of a sudden accept fags just because you make divorce laws more strict.

I mean, FFS morals aren't a fucking negotiation. If you think they are you are doing it wrong.

So your argument is that only Christians believe marriage is anything beyond a means to extort benefits from the government?

 

[nehalem256]

my views are that unless it harms someone else you should be able to do whatever you want.

That is way too common sense for people here.

Funny that when I try to apply this to poor single mothers having kids they cannot feed everyone gets all butt hurt about it.

Why do you lack common sense?

 

[dank69]

So your argument is that only Christians believe marriage is anything beyond a means to extort benefits from the government?

I'm addressing the OP, not your twisted misogynistic ramblings.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm addressing the OP, not your twisted misogynistic ramblings.

Oh so you have no problems with people do whatever they want even if it harms others too.

 

[dank69]

Funny that when I try to apply this to poor single mothers having kids they cannot feed everyone gets all butt hurt about it.

Why do you lack common sense?

How does it hurt you? The fraction of a cent of your taxes that goes to feed her kids? Grow the fuck up.

 

[nehalem256]

How does it hurt you? The fraction of a cent of your taxes that goes to feed her kids? Grow the fuck up.

You are full of crap

Food stamps alone I believe is around ~75b/3500b budget. Which means that 2% of all federal income tax goes to food stamps alone. And that is understating it because I am too lazy to back out SS and medicare.

Not to mention that even you admit I am harmed. We are just debating the extent of the harm

And we have no started discussing the increased crime rate of children from poor single mothers.

Or the harm caused to the children of women choosing to have a child without a father.

 

[dank69]

You are full of crap

Food stamps alone I believe is around ~75b/3500b budget. Which means that 2% of all federal income tax goes to food stamps alone. And that is understating it because I am too lazy to back out SS and medicare.

Not to mention that even you admit I am harmed. We are just debating the extent of the harm

And we have no started discussing the increased crime rate of children from poor single mothers.

Or the harm caused to the children of women choosing to have a child without a father.

I'm talking about the fraction of a cent that goes to her specifically. This is way off topic anyway, but keep beating the dead horse.

 

[nehalem256]

I'm talking about the fraction of a cent that goes to her specifically. This is way off topic anyway, but keep beating the dead horse.

Well by your retarded argument bank robbery should be legal.

After all no one is really harmed. They only get fractions of a cent from everyone.

The only difference is that single mothers are women and bank robbers are men.

Which is the real truth. You approve of people doing whatever they want so long as it fits with your ideology.

 

[zsdersw]

You approve of people doing whatever they want so long as it fits with your ideology.

.. says the pot to the kettle.

 

[dank69]

Well by your retarded argument bank robbery should be legal.

After all no one is really harmed. They only get fractions of a cent from everyone.

The only difference is that single mothers are women and bank robbers are men.

Which is the real truth. You approve of people doing whatever they want so long as it fits with your ideology.

Banks are people, my friend.

 

[nehalem256]

.. says the pot to the kettle.

How is that any different than liberals?

I assume every group wants to pass laws consistent with their values/ideology. Why are liberals always so shocked by this?

I think I already addressed that.

 

[nehalem256]

Banks are people, my friend.

So each individual shareholder has to write off a few pennies.

Who was harmed?

 

[zsdersw]

I think I already addressed that.

Only if you include yourself. You referenced groups of people, and addressed your comment (the one I quoted) to a specific person. Unless you're including yourself.. as another specific person.. you're not addressing anything.

 

[nehalem256]

Only if you include yourself. You referenced groups of people, and addressed your comment (the one I quoted) to a specific person. Unless you're including yourself.. as another specific person.. you're not addressing anything.

I have no problem with passing laws limiting people's behavior consistent with my ideology/values.

 

[Bitek]

Our planet and our country. Happens thousands of times a day(week?)

To those opposed to my very well though out plan (while I was washing out my coffee pot at 4 am): What is your definition of marriage? If its not the joining of two people into one, then what is it?

Why don't you just come up with your own prenups instead of forcing your morality on everyone else?

If Christians were really all that concerned about divorce they would make their own harsh prenups instead of trying to get the govt to fix your marriages.


Aren't you the same guys that also complain about big govt liberals taking away freedoms? Govt is evil oppressors for trying to tax healthcare freeloaders, but the govt should be forcing you to stay married to some drunken asshat gambler who refuses to get a job.

 

[zsdersw]

I have no problem with passing laws limiting people's behavior consistent with my ideology/values.

Exactly.. so your "You approve of people doing whatever they want so long as it fits with your ideology." statement to dank69 applies to you as well.

 

[nehalem256]

Why don't you just come up with your own prenups instead of forcing your morality on everyone else?

If Christians were really all that concerned about divorce they would make their own harsh prenups instead of trying to get the govt to fix your marriages.


Aren't you the same guys that also complain about big govt liberals taking away freedoms? Govt is evil oppressors for trying to tax healthcare freeloaders, but the govt should be forcing you to stay married to some drunken asshat gambler who refuses to get a job.

Marriage is a contract that is voluntarily entered into.

One obvious job of the government is enforcing contracts.

Exactly.. so your "You approve of people doing whatever they want so long as it fits with your ideology." statement to dank69 applies to you as well.

Yes it would. The problem I have is dank69 (and liberals in general) pretending that he doesn't.

And acting all shocked that those evil conservatives act that way.

 

[actuarial]

Ok, lets look further at marital rape.

(1) The law is unenforceable. All you have is the woman's word. Why have laws that are completely unenforceable?

(2) Why do you want the government in people's bedrooms

(3) How do you justify prohibitions of adultery in marriage if the wife is denying the husband sex.

(4) Assuming that women really do want sex as much as men why is it necessary?

(1) It may not simply be the woman's word.

(2) In this case, one spouse would be ASKING the government into their bedroom.

(3) And what about vice versa? If the woman wants sex and the man can't get it up, is he not denying it? What if she likes it when he goes down town but he refuses? How about if she likes sex during menstruation?

(4) Just because I like sex doesn't mean at any moment at any time I want to have sex.

I wonder if you would still agree with 'no rape in marriage' if you got surprise buttsex via strap on from your wife.

 

[actuarial]

Marriage is a contract that is voluntarily entered into.

One obvious job of the government is enforcing contracts.

I enter into many contracts professionally that simply require two weeks notice to void. No penalty.

 

[Agent11]

I wonder if you would still agree with 'no rape in marriage' if you got surprise buttsex via strap on from your wife.

This.

 

[zinfamous]

legislating morality/happiness.

no different.

government should not look to specifically appease the moral comfort of any particular religious group. ever.

 

[Steeplerot]

So in your world how is marriage any different than having a live in bf/gf?

"On rare occasions one does hear of a miraculous case of a married couple falling in love after marriage, but on close examination it will be found that it is a mere adjustment to the inevitable. "


Is there one? I have been married and no pixie dust was sprinkled on me. Same girlfriend, just with papers.

The lawyers though, they know where the magic is in a marriage.

Marriage is a scam. Thinking it's any different then praying and hoping you get real world results is pretty naive. But then we all must learn our le$$ons in life.

Looking forward to genetic breeding. Then women can be themselves without all the "baby machine" powertrips/possessiveness insecure men pull. (or are taught culturally, pick your poison)

Personally, I think the "nuclear family" model we use in the west is a big problem with why we turn out to worship/fall for authoritarian nonsense in this society.

Seems so unnatural to be with one woman on a biological, and boredom level.


Only 2 parents (with 0% training except the experience of how screwed up their parents were) a awful way to raise children.

We have a lot of cultural garbage to take out from back in the victorian era stinking the place up.


(If you are newly married/or getting married and this is depressing....my apologies, didnt mean to spoil the surprise.)

 

[Bitek]

Marriage is a contract that is voluntarily entered into.

One obvious job of the government is enforcing contracts.

Enforcing. Not writing. You are free to write your prenups as you wish.

I enter into many contracts professionally that simply require two weeks notice to void. No penalty.

That's a dangerous expression of personal freedom you are exercising there....

 

[nehalem256]

I enter into many contracts professionally that simply require two weeks notice to void. No penalty.

And do you get to continue receiving the benefits of said contract?

Liberals essentially want an "at-will" marriage, where after quitting you can continue getting paid.