My State (Pa) Won't Start Counting Mail-In Ballots until 7am Election Day

[Perknose]

This scares me. And Nate Silver has the most detailed analysis of how this "Trump is ahead bigly on election night, but Dems steal the election is subsequent days" potential nightmare might go.

 

[hal2kilo]

Cough, Kavyboy, had to correct his erroneous claim in the Wisconsin voting lawsuit ruling.

Kavanaugh corrects opinion after Vermont fact-checks his false claim

Vermont Secretary of State Jim Condos called out Kavanaugh's "erroneous claim" and called for a public correction.

www.salon.com

 

[Jhhnn]

This scares me. And Nate Silver has the most detailed analysis of how this "Trump is ahead bigly on election night, but Dems steal the election is subsequent days" potential nightmare might go.

That links to the G mail signup page.

Don't buy into the bullshit. They'll count until it's done & then we'll know the results. Everybody knows it will take awhile, perhaps a few days. Trump can talk all the shit he wants in the meanwhile.

 

[nakedfrog]

They don't start counting them until election day? That seems, for lack of a better term, fucking stupid.

 

[vi edit]

They don't start counting them until election day? That seems, for lack of a better term, fucking stupid.

It's worse than that. GOP is *trying* to sue states so that they *HAVE* to start counting on election day. That way they can file another suit on votes that haven't been counted on election day.

 

[thilanliyan]

Your link takes me to a google inbox...?

 

[nakedfrog]

It's worse than that. GOP is *trying* to sue states so that they *HAVE* to start counting on election day. That way they can file another suit on votes that haven't been counted on election day.

It is, of course, completely unsurprising that they're only about "small government" and "states' rights" when it suits their ends.

 

[Maxima1]

That links to the G mail signup page.

Don't buy into the bullshit. They'll count until it's done & then we'll know the results. Everybody knows it will take awhile, perhaps a few days. Trump can talk all the shit he wants in the meanwhile.

Delay, delay, delay.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321788949887619073

 

[conehead433]

PA will be separating late arriving mail-in ballots in anticipation that Trump will claim that they are fraudulent, and if co-mingled with ballots arriving on time that all mail-in ballots are therefore invalid.

 

[woolfe9998]

That links to the G mail signup page.

Don't buy into the bullshit. They'll count until it's done & then we'll know the results. Everybody knows it will take awhile, perhaps a few days. Trump can talk all the shit he wants in the meanwhile.

Trump can file meritless legal challenges and delay things. It's going to be very tense. This rule of not counting until election day is idiotic.

 

[Perknose]

That links to the G mail signup page.

Your link takes me to a google inbox...?

LINK FIXORED.

 

[Bitek]

Delay, delay, delay.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1321788949887619073

IDK what they want us to do about it other than vote to throw the fuckers out.

I mean I can wish for cancer and plagues on them.
I'm not joining some cosplay militia like the Small Dick Mikes on the right.

Where's the army of D lawyers suing the F out of R areas? I don't live in SC, but I've seen enough Jaime Harrison ads to get my lulz out....

Maybe spend some of that cash on lawsuits, rural area poll closures, in person voting fights and fight fire with fire.

If you just let them get away with it they'll keep doing it.

 

[nOOky]

Cough, Kavyboy, had to correct his erroneous claim in the Wisconsin voting lawsuit ruling.

Kavanaugh corrects opinion after Vermont fact-checks his false claim

Vermont Secretary of State Jim Condos called out Kavanaugh's "erroneous claim" and called for a public correction.

www.salon.com

Kagan shot back in her dissent that "there are no results to 'flip' until all valid votes are counted." Hard to believe a justice and the POTUS can go around saying shit like that and influencing the minds of people yet to vote. We so need to expand the court.

 

[sactoking]

Let me get this straight, by law PA can't start counting until Election Day and the fear is they won't finish that day so any votes uncounted will be claimed (through Republican lawsuit) to be invalid? Do I have that right?

If that's the case why doesn't the Secretary of State, who is a Democrat, just instruct staff to start counting the mail-in ballots and not add/count the in-person totals until all mail-ins are counted? That would essentially mean any lawsuit to invalidate uncounted ballots will surely hit mostly in-person ballots, which the Republicans believe will favor them.

 

[hal2kilo]

Let me get this straight, by law PA can't start counting until Election Day and the fear is they won't finish that day so any votes uncounted will be claimed (through Republican lawsuit) to be invalid? Do I have that right?

If that's the case why doesn't the Secretary of State, who is a Democrat, just instruct staff to start counting the mail-in ballots and not add/count the in-person totals until all mail-ins are counted? That would essentially mean any lawsuit to invalidate uncounted ballots will surely hit mostly in-person ballots, which the Republicans believe will favor them.

They will immediately be sued by Republican lawyers.

 

[sactoking]

They will immediately be sued by Republican lawyers.

They're going to be sued anyway. By doing it this way they essentially eliminate the grounds for throwing out mail in ballots. A lawsuit arguing that the order in which ballots are counted is unlawful essentially means the Republicans will have to argue for the very thing they'd be arguing against in the other scenario.

Edited: Just say you're counting on a "First received, first counted" basis.

 

[Aegeon]

They're going to be sued anyway. By doing it this way they essentially eliminate the grounds for throwing out mail in ballots. A lawsuit arguing that the order in which ballots are counted is unlawful essentially means the Republicans will have to argue for the very thing they'd be arguing against in the other scenario.

There would be no possibly valid legal reason to stop the count of mail in ballots as of the end of November 3rd regardless. Such a ruling by the Supreme Court would clearly be an effort to provide a pretense of backing for an extralegal effort to overturn the actual election results and we would be almost certainly looking a civil war at that point. (Hopefully a very short and decisive one.)

 

[gothuevos]

Is there a rule or something that you have to stop counting votes at 12:01 AM on 11/4?

 

[woolfe9998]

IDK what they want us to do about it other than vote to throw the fuckers out.

There is one thing some of us can do. If you live in a state that doesn't count its mail-in ballots until election day, and you haven't voted yet, vote in person.

 

[ElFenix]

Cough, Kavyboy, had to correct his erroneous claim in the Wisconsin voting lawsuit ruling.

Kavanaugh corrects opinion after Vermont fact-checks his false claim

Vermont Secretary of State Jim Condos called out Kavanaugh's "erroneous claim" and called for a public correction.

www.salon.com

he didn't really correct it. he still doesn't address that vermont made two large changes to their rules, which was the reason they didn't feel they needed to make the third. that'd be a problem in a memo from a 2nd year intern from texas tech. if i saw that in a pleading from opposing counsel i'd be hammering away at that in my response.

 

[Sunburn74]

I don't understand why people are suddenly upset about votes needing to be counted beyond the day of election. In all the recent house and senatorial races of note in 2018, many took like 3-4 days before they were officially called because they were still counting ballots. I mean this is pretty normal. Usually someone may claim and early victory but that doesn't mean anything. The Doug jones senate race in alabama didn't get officially called for like a week.

 

[MrSquished]

I don't understand why people are suddenly upset about votes needing to be counted beyond the day of election. In all the recent house and senatorial races of note in 2018, many took like 3-4 days before they were officially called because they were still counting ballots. I mean this is pretty normal. Usually someone may claim and early victory but that doesn't mean anything. The Doug jones senate race in alabama didn't get officially called for like a week.

Because Republicans are excellent at changing the narrative with their tens of millions of brainwashed useless cult members and the media doesn't push back enough.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Here is an excerpt from the main story on fivethirtyeight, because the link in the OP is still leading to gmail.

"And this brings us to one potential worry about a big blue shift, especially if the election is close: Trump could try to declare victory based on initial returns, as he’s claimed the result should be known on election night. Now, declaring victory doesn’t really amount to much, as it has no legal bearing. But doing so could help cast doubt on the results, especially if there is a subsequent shift toward Biden that’s accompanied by false claims of voting fraud, such as the ones the president has made numerous times already. Experts from organizations such as the Transition Integrity Project have even expressed concern that, in such a scenario, Trump could try to figure out ways to interfere with post-Election Day counting to stop a potential blue shift.

Even if Trump doesn’t question the result, Pennsylvania’s blue shift could be affected by post-election court rulings in the state. Take the fight over whether to count ballots that were postmarked by Election Day and received by Nov. 6. The U.S. Supreme Court has twice now upheld the state’s Supreme Court ruling that extended the deadline, but it’s not clear whether the court has entirely ruled out revisiting the issue. Justice Samuel Alito, joined by two of the court’s other conservative justices, wrote that while there was a “strong likelihood” that the state’s Supreme Court decision violated the U.S. Constitution, there simply wasn’t time to decide before the election. However, ballots arriving after 8 p.m. Eastern on Election Day will be separated out, so the issue can be revisited if necessary after the election. And if the Supreme Court does take up the case again after the election, deciding to not count these ballots could reduce the size of the vote shift in Biden’s favor because more Democratic votes would likely be affected, given the partisan split in mail voting. For his part, Trump said on Wednesday that he hoped the courts would stop states from counting ballots beyond Election Day.

It’s impossible to say just how much the vote may shift after election night in Pennsylvania, but the primary results in the Keystone State suggest that we should be ready for a sizable swing in the vote. And it’s probably not the only battleground state that will see a blue shift of some note. For instance, Wisconsin can’t begin processing mail ballots until Election Day, and Michigan’s count is expected to stretch on for a few days, too.

The better prepared Americans are for lengthy counts and major vote shifts because of the increase in mail-in ballots, the less likely they are to believe misinformation about what those swings mean."

 

[Perknose]

There is one thing some of us can do. If you live in a state that doesn't count its mail-in ballots until election day, and you haven't voted yet, vote in person.

Exactly what I'm doing here in Pa. It's crucial.

I got my mail-in ballot first. My friends and I all did. Many of them have already mailed it in. Others knew of this dilemma, but are afraid to vote in person because of covid.

It's not nearly the exaggeration it could be to say it's worth the risk of death to me to make sure Trump is voted out ON the day of the election, not that I think I'm gonna' die from voting in person. Which reminds me, people are TERRIBLE at accurate risk assessment.

Get this! You HAVE to bring your unmailed ballot with you to the polls in order to vote!

You can already know that there is a small, but possibly not insignificant percentage of people who will forget to bring their unused mail-in ballot with them.

Meanwhile I believe you can still go to a gun show and get hooked-up with fewer obstacles.

 

[dawp]

Exactly what I'm doing here in Pa. It's crucial.

I got my mail-in ballot first. My friends and I all did. Many of them have already mailed it in. Others knew of this dilemma, but are afraid to vote in person because of covid.

It's not nearly the exaggeration it could be to say it's worth the risk of death to me to make sure Trump is voted out ON the day of the election, not that I think I'm gonna' die from voting in person. Which reminds me, people are TERRIBLE at accurate risk assessment.

Get this! You HAVE to bring your unmailed ballot with you to the polls in order to vote!

You can already know that there is a small, but possibly not insignificant percentage of people who will forget to bring their unused mail-in ballot with them.

Meanwhile I believe you can still go to a gun show and get hooked-up with fewer obstacles.

Here in NC I was worried about these type of shenanigans and even though I did request a mail-in ballot I tore it up and tossed it and will be voting in person election day.