My system is fairly beefy, why does an old game like WoW

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: TmBlackFlag
My pings are usually in the 200's. I have a 10mb roadrunner. The only reason its in the 200's is because i play on an east coast server and live in CA

my ping is always under 100 normally round 70, its not network related
ill have the new comp up and running this week, currently doing all the installing and updating BS

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: TmBlackFlag
My pings are usually in the 200's. I have a 10mb roadrunner. The only reason its in the 200's is because i play on an east coast server and live in CA

So, what happens when you join a CA server?

 

[TmBlackFlag]

i'll test it on a CA server shortly

 

[aigomorla]

its not bandwith problems.

im assuming your playing it at the max 1920x1200 resolution? LOL...

So yeah, your gpu is being overworked...


It could also be a slow hard drive issue also, now that i think about it. I havent touched the game in a while. But i do remember not even 7900GT volt moded in SLI would not lag when massive AOE spells fell. The only thing you could do is close your eyes click click click and pray your not caught in the casualty.


Try running the game at a lower resolution. That should answer the question right away if it is the gpu thats limited.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: NamelessMC
There's gotta be something wrong. You guys don't understand. WoW is from 2004 and he's on a Core Micro based processor at 2.8ghz

That doesn't change the fact that WoW is a CPU-limited game, if there are very many people on the same map as you. Then when you add in the fact that his CPU is ~500 Mhz slower in games than a 4MB cache C2D, his CPU can't even keep up with his video card.

Aye; I think we went through this in a thread of mine a few months ago.

Even now with my 3.4Ghz e2180 I get down to 25-35fps in Shattrath; if it's crowded and I fly up really high.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Im going to have to bet that it has more to do with network connections and less to do with the hardware used. I could be wrong, but it just seems like that is the problem.

I've got a great connection (105kBps up, more or less unlimited down (limited by the server's capability to upload; max so far I've dl'd was 9mBps), 35 ping); and still had this.

It was really really bad on my older 2.3Ghz Sempron 3100+; Shattrath was ~15fps.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
its not bandwith problems.

im assuming your playing it at the max 1920x1200 resolution? LOL...

So yeah, your gpu is being overworked...


It could also be a slow hard drive issue also, now that i think about it. I havent touched the game in a while. But i do remember not even 7900GT volt moded in SLI would not lag when massive AOE spells fell. The only thing you could do is close your eyes click click click and pray your not caught in the casualty.


Try running the game at a lower resolution. That should answer the question right away if it is the gpu thats limited.

Yeesh people please stop giving him bad suggestions. I run 16xAF 8xAA no problem. It's not harddrive, it's all CPU.

here's the thread I made in the past about this; we determined it was all CPU limitations; as my old 6800GT was capable of running Shattrath in the 35-45FPS range--
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...keyword1=soccerballtux

 

[Anubis]

while i agree that its really CPU limited something in WoW changed because with a better CPU and the same setting i now get less FPS then i used to,

i used to run 1600x1200 max settings on a 7600GT and a 3200+ would get 40-60 FPS in major cities this was pre BC
then was running a 7600GT and a Dual Core opty @2.0 GHz running 1680x1050 same setting basicially the same FPS
took a 4 month break from wow

now i wont break 35 FPS anywhere same DC opty same 7600 GT same graphic settings

i have screenshots of this its just odd

have a C2D 8400 w 8800GT currently @3.6GHz will push to 4GHz when my heatsink gets here and will see what improvement i get

 

[The Keeper]

One of the more recent content patches added dual-core support to WoW, which is why people with multi-core CPU's are seeing performance improvement.

 

[TmBlackFlag]

It looks as those my 1mb L2 Cache e2140 is holding me back. I only purchased this process while I waited for the e8400 so I'm gonna go ahead and make the jump. I'll report back with my results when I get the cpu (hopefully in the next 1-2 days)

Thanks for all your input.

 

[JWade]

I played WoW on a 2140 with 2gb of ram and a 256mb 8600GT, no problems, i have DSL though. crowded placed (Like IronForge) has alot more information going across the lines. Its not video or CPU, its the internet for you

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: wired247
I've found that WoW runs much better when it's defragged. I'd try that as a super easy first step.

all those people means lots and lots of textures in memory, different armors, enchants, etc.

Thats a good suggestion for almost any MMOG out there, regardless of age. The vast amount of random textures in crowded places is taxing, especially on the HDD. Some people swear by RAM-disks just for that reason. I never tried that, but it could actually work.

An SSD is probably the next best - and more practicable but also more expensive - solution.

 

[Griswold]

Originally posted by: JWade
I played WoW on a 2140 with 2gb of ram and a 256mb 8600GT, no problems, i have DSL though. crowded placed (Like IronForge) has alot more information going across the lines. Its not video or CPU, its the internet for you

I dont think so. If you look at the network traffic, the volume is generally pretty low in these games. Even old fashioned dial-up can usually cope with it, but the latency is what makes it an unpleasant ride.

 

[walk2k]

WoW sucks, that's why.

Doesn't matter how many jiggawatts you throw at it, you can't fix ineffecient code.

You can stick a V12 in a VW bug, it's still not going to win the Indy 500.

Unless you tell me that XYZ system can run faster in the exact same situation (same settings, same WoW server, in the same area at the same time...) I wouldn't assume it's a system problem.

 

[Dravic]

What I?ve seen as of 2.3..

4800+ x2 1mb cache @2.9ghz
2gig ram
Winxp 64
8800gt
1680x1050 4x 8x

I will get as low as 19fps in shatter on a Tuesday night after the maintenance and the raid ID resets. ~40fps on other nights. 70-100 fps out in the open areas @ 1680x1500 all settings maxed and full draw distance?

It?s not latency; I have FIOS and 40-80ms lat to the server.
It?s not memory as wow never uses more the 1.3G(peak after hour of use, including any app I used while dual screening) BF2 this aint.

There are just so many objects to track in any major city on high population servers.


What to mess with dual core optimizations? (as of 2.0.3)

/console timingmethod 1 - old method
/console timingmethod 2 - dual cores

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Dravic

It?s not latency; I have FIOS and 40-80ms lat to the server.
It?s not memory as wow never uses more the 1.3G(peak after hour of use, including any app I used while dual screening) BF2 this aint.

There are just so many objects to track in any major city on high population servers.

What to mess with dual core optimizations? (as of 2.0.3)

/console timingmethod 1 - old method
/console timingmethod 2 - dual cores

exactly. And at 1920x1200 resolution.

Imagine the GPU power required. EXpecially when some clan decides to nuke a town with massive AOE's to kill everyone.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Dravic

It?s not latency; I have FIOS and 40-80ms lat to the server.
It?s not memory as wow never uses more the 1.3G(peak after hour of use, including any app I used while dual screening) BF2 this aint.

There are just so many objects to track in any major city on high population servers.

What to mess with dual core optimizations? (as of 2.0.3)

/console timingmethod 1 - old method
/console timingmethod 2 - dual cores

exactly. And at 1920x1200 resolution.

Imagine the GPU power required. EXpecially when some clan decides to nuke a town with massive AOE's to kill everyone.

It's not GPU; it's the calculations for arm and leg movements the CPU has to make.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Is WoW limited to 60fps? What would cause that? Enabling vsync?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Dravic

It?s not latency; I have FIOS and 40-80ms lat to the server.
It?s not memory as wow never uses more the 1.3G(peak after hour of use, including any app I used while dual screening) BF2 this aint.

There are just so many objects to track in any major city on high population servers.

What to mess with dual core optimizations? (as of 2.0.3)

/console timingmethod 1 - old method
/console timingmethod 2 - dual cores

exactly. And at 1920x1200 resolution.

Imagine the GPU power required. EXpecially when some clan decides to nuke a town with massive AOE's to kill everyone.

It's not GPU; it's the calculations for arm and leg movements the CPU has to make.

rawr your making me want to test this game on my 3.7ghz quadcore.

I was pretty sure it GPU.

only way to test is run the game in a smaller resolution and see if it acts up the same. Then its cpu.

 

[NamelessMC]

Originally posted by: TmBlackFlag
It looks as those my 1mb L2 Cache e2140 is holding me back. I only purchased this process while I waited for the e8400 so I'm gonna go ahead and make the jump. I'll report back with my results when I get the cpu (hopefully in the next 1-2 days)

Thanks for all your input.

Lol. Well when you get your new $240 CPU to 4.0 ghz and still get the same crappy frame-rate, don't come crying back here because I tried to warn you it was WoW specific and not anything to do with your stupid L2 cache but you didn't listen.

In case you guys forgot-
Higher resolution = GPU limitations
Lower resolution = CPU limitations

It's definitely on the GPU side but it's more to do with WoW's outdated code. Remember it's code from 2004 with all kinds of new code thrown on top of it.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: NamelessMC

Originally posted by: TmBlackFlag
It looks as those my 1mb L2 Cache e2140 is holding me back. I only purchased this process while I waited for the e8400 so I'm gonna go ahead and make the jump. I'll report back with my results when I get the cpu (hopefully in the next 1-2 days)

Thanks for all your input.

Lol. Well when you get your new $240 CPU to 4.0 ghz and still get the same crappy frame-rate, don't come crying back here because I tried to warn you it was WoW specific and not anything to do with your stupid L2 cache but you didn't listen.

In case you guys forgot-
Higher resolution = GPU limitations
Lower resolution = CPU limitations

It's definitely on the GPU side but it's more to do with WoW's outdated code. Remember it's code from 2004 with all kinds of new code thrown on top of it.

CPU/GUP limitations would not explain why i went from 60 FPS to 30 FPS on the same hardware going from 1600x1200 to 1680x1050

i didnt buy a new comp to play WoW, im just curious as to why improvements the new one gets

 

[narreth]

hey, its not your hardware

the reason why WoW lags in crowded cities is because your internet connection isn't good enough to handle 500+++ incoming connections

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: narreth
hey, its not your hardware

the reason why WoW lags in crowded cities is because your internet connection isn't good enough to handle 500+++ incoming connections

im gonna go with YOU ARE WRONG

i got wow installed on a new comp yesterday stupid download took forever anyway


Dual Core Opty 165 @ 2GHz, 2 gigs of ram 7600 GT = 12-20 FPS in shat max settings 1680x1050 during peak times

C2D 8400 @ 3.6 GHz 4 gigs 2x2gb of ram 8800GT = 40-60 FPS in shat max settings 1680x1050 peak times

my internet connection did not change in the 2 min it to me to log off on one computer and log in on the other

i have a sub 100 ping at all times 8mbit connection

 

[M1A]

WOW whats your sisters name jarwedpace?

 

[BadRobot]

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