My take on the next 45 days

[lavaheadache]

AMD will beat the Titan at around $600. Titan will be "retired" only to be rebadged/slightly tweaked as a GTX 785 at a similar price point as the AMD card. Nvidia will launch fully unlocked higher clocked "ultra" GK110 the night of the Radeon release to try and spoil the fun at around $850. There will be lots of new threads created with members waging war against each other with many vacations issued and threads locked.


How accurate do you think my prediction is? :biggrin:

 

[Remobz]

hmmmm..........

 

[Jaydip]

Dream on

 

[Grooveriding]

:awe: Most certainly close to it imo.

Titan was such a massive scam and I doubt anyone is even buying them any more now, unless it is to add to an existing setup for additional cards in SLI. Nvidia pulled a huge bait and switch. After so long without putting out a big die on 28nm for Geforce, they drop Titan making people think Titan would be it, then they drop 780 using GK110 a few months later for $350 less and almost the same performance...

Glad I managed to dump mine and get the Classified 780s before the new AMD card comes out. Titan is going to be worth half its MSRP on the used market in a short while. I wonder if they will try the same boondoggle again on 20nm.

Looking forward to seeing what AMD can do with a Titan killer for less money and how it shakes things up with heavy Battlefield 4 marketing involvement and bundles.

Forums will be ablaze no doubt. ()

 

[wand3r3r]

(OP) I agree up to the fully unlocked part. Maybe I guess?

The forums will be ablaze for sure. People who had no issue with price will suddenly have issue. People will switch sides on about every issue they've argued on when company A was in whichever position it was in...

:awe: Most certainly close to it imo.

Titan was such a massive scam and I doubt anyone is even buying them any more now, unless it is to add to an existing setup for additional cards in SLI. Nvidia pulled a huge bait and switch. After so long without putting out a big die on 28nm for Geforce, they drop Titan making people think Titan would be it, then they drop 780 using GK110 a few months later for $350 less and almost the same performance...

Glad I managed to dump mine and get the Classified 780s before the new AMD card comes out. Titan is going to be worth half its MSRP on the used market in a short while. I wonder if they will try the same boondoggle again on 20nm.

Looking forward to seeing what AMD can do with a Titan killer for less money and how it shakes things up with heavy Battlefield 4 marketing involvement and bundles.

Forums will be ablaze no doubt. ()

Bold part is true. I'm not sure where all the rumors about no big die card had came from but that was pretty sneaky and effectively doubled the cost of this generation.

 

[tviceman]

I do not think AMD will beat Titan. Just like at 40nm when people on here thought Cayman would beat a gtx480 by 15-20%, and that was coming from a smaller and less power hungry die in Cypress (vs. Tahiti). I think it is too much wishful thinking AMD can close a 35% gap on the same node given the power characteristics Tahiti already exhibits. I think AMD will beat the 780 by a marginal amount for $550, and given that it's a later release and will garner good PR for beating / tying the gtx780 at $100 less, it will force Nvidia to cut prices on the gtx780.

I definitely see a 15-SMX GK110 card coming, and I agree with you there it will be priced less than Titan was. Titan was able to be priced the way it was because it was the first time in a long time either manufacturer had such a huge lead AND it was marketed / configured at being more than just a gaming card. Still agree with everyone else though, it was priced ridiculously way too high. Funny though, a few of the people who bash it bought one anyways. Go figure.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I do not think AMD will beat Titan. Just like at 40nm when people on here thought Cayman would beat a gtx480 by 15-20%, and that was coming from a smaller and less power hungry die in Cypress (vs. Tahiti). I think it is too much wishful thinking AMD can close a 35% gap on the same node given the power characteristics Tahiti already exhibits. I think AMD will beat the 780 by a marginal amount for $550, and given that it's a later release and will garner good PR for beating / tying the gtx780 at $100 less, it will force Nvidia to cut prices on the gtx780.

I definitely see a 15-SMX GK110 card coming, and I agree with you there it will be priced less than Titan was. Titan was able to be priced the way it was because it was the first time in a long time either manufacturer had such a huge lead AND it was marketed / configured at being more than just a gaming card. Still agree with everyone else though, it was priced ridiculously way too high. Funny though, a few of the people who bash it bought one anyways. Go figure.

Nothing I can say after this post. My feelings pretty much to a tee.

 

[wand3r3r]

I think beating the titan or not will depend on whether they go big die, or just try refine and enhance the current size dies. I agree if they don't scale it up then the refinements would be a lot less than is being estimated (as per your assessment tviceman).

The only reason I think they may scale up is that if they don't beat the 780/titan, they won't have as good of a basis to price it at the rumored ~$550. Actually, someone (RS likely) had a die size comparison and historically it wouldn't be out of line to increase the die size which is why I suspect they will go big(ger) die.

 

[lavaheadache]

The painful reality is that nvidia got away with charging a grand for a x70 level part. Yes, i know.... I bought one too.

 

[skipsneeky2]

AMD will beat the Titan at around $600. Titan will be "retired" only to be rebadged/slightly tweaked as a GTX 785 at a similar price point as the AMD card. Nvidia will launch fully unlocked higher clocked "ultra" GK110 the night of the Radeon release to try and spoil the fun at around $850. There will be lots of new threads created with members waging war against each other with many vacations issued and threads locked.


How accurate do you think my prediction is? :biggrin:

You have been around the block when it comes to this sorta stuff haven't you?:awe:

I remember the rapefest that was the gtx280,i was the guy who bought one at $650 and got my $150 reimbursement when amd came out with their competition at a fraction of the price and teabagged the nvidia champion.

 

[raghu78]

pretty much spot on. I can definitely see Nvidia responding with a GTX 785 with 2688 sp or 2880 sp. the biggest fight would be the voltage overclocked watercooling enthusiasts at 1.3 - 1.35Ghz. HD 9970 vs GTX 785 vs Titan vs 780. if AMD wins that contest then Nvidia will have to kiss their GPU crown goodbye for 9 - 12 months.

 

[Jacky60]

I hope you're right. At the moment in the UK the Nvidia 780 and AMD 7990 are the same price £530. I can't really believe it but AMD had better beat the Titan or be very close as otherwise a pair of 7990's will be very tempting.

 

[Black Octagon]

AMD will beat the Titan at around $600.

Are you basing this prediction on the assumption that the new AMD card will be large die or 20 (or both)? I still can't see 20nm as being possible do soon, which leaves large die.

Unless of course they're nut going for the single GPU crown at all..

 

[CakeMonster]

20nm won't happen now. AMD is late with this design considering how long NV has had the Titan chip. And the last two years there's been several bad news about AMD design team and resources (but looking better lately). I don't see how AMD can surpass Titan now short of a miracle. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, but if you want to see AMD deliver something spectacular, you should probably give them a year and see what they can do on 20nm.

 

[el etro]

I bet 9970 will lose to Titan Ultra by a little margin(something like 2%). Then AMD will release the Ghz edition of 9970 to retake the crown. Seeing surprise in dual flagships: 9990 wil won against the 790 in every benchmark, but will consume a lot more.

 

[BrightCandle]

AMD's entire strategy has been to go mainstream die sizes and to push for the high end with dual cards instead of a big single die. Has that overall market approach suddenly changed for this refresh? I think that is unlikely and it is not how the company has historically approached the market nor how it claims to do so in the future. I don't think its likely but it would be nice to get some competition in the high end, especially considering the trend I am seeing in games that aren't a big FPS to perform better on the Titan/780 compared to the 690.

 

[KyleGates]

AMD will beat the Titan at around $600. Titan will be "retired" only to be rebadged/slightly tweaked as a GTX 785 at a similar price point as the AMD card. Nvidia will launch fully unlocked higher clocked "ultra" GK110 the night of the Radeon release to try and spoil the fun at around $850. There will be lots of new threads created with members waging war against each other with many vacations issued and threads locked.


How accurate do you think my prediction is? :biggrin:

MY take on the next 45 days:


-I will pay attention to all of this for the next 15 days.
-Then GTA will come out and I will....not pay attention anymore.
-30 days after that, they will discover my corpse...oddly sitting in front of the TV instead of my PC with dual 780's. They will wonder why, until they notice the GTA box.....so sad, it wasn't out on PC.

 

[Railgun]

If AMD launches something that will beat Titan, so be it. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again.Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again.

Then some time afterwards...one of them will be bought out by another company....then sometime afterwards...

See a pattern here? (read: who cares? It's going to happen and there's nothing you can do about it).

 

[Klunt Bumskrint]

If AMD launches something that will beat Titan, so be it. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again.Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again. Then some time afterwards, nVidia will beat AMD again. Then some time afterwards, AMD will beat nVidia again.

Then some time afterwards...one of them will be bought out by another company....then sometime afterwards...

See a pattern here? (read: who cares? It's going to happen and there's nothing you can do about it).

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[raghu78]

guys looks like AMD has gone massive die. :biggrin: the most unbelieveable part is they seem to have gone for a 512 bit GDDR5 memory bus. I can't believe it because its so freaking crazy.

http://videocardz.com/45523/retail-amd-radeon-r9-9000-series-arrive-mid-october

 

[blackened23]

If i'm interpreting that board correctly, it indicates 4096 SPs and a 512bit GDDR5 VRAM bus?

 

[boxleitnerb]

No on 4096, possibly yes on 512bit.

 

[blackened23]

MY take on the next 45 days:


-I will pay attention to all of this for the next 15 days.
-Then GTA will come out and I will....not pay attention anymore.
-30 days after that, they will discover my corpse...oddly sitting in front of the TV instead of my PC with dual 780's. They will wonder why, until they notice the GTA box.....so sad, it wasn't out on PC.

I'm pretty certain that Hawaii will match Titan or come really close depending on the game - some games favor nvidia, others AMD. Hell the 780 slightly OC'ed is pretty much equal to the Titan anyway, so either performance target is fine. If Hawaii matches the 780, it's right up there with the Titan anyway. You're only paying for the VRAM on the Titan, basically, no reason for anyone to get it over a 780 since they're pretty much the same speed when you bump the clocks up on the 780 a slight bit. And the nice thing about the 780 is it isn't limited to a reference PCB and has more OC headroom. The point being is that the 780 and Titan have basically no performance difference even worth mentioning, so if the Hawaii is as fast as the 780, then an OC version would be a Titan. IMO.

Of course, some games favor specific architectures. Ubisoft/Blizzard games tend to favor nvidia, Square Enix games tend to favor AMD, so that's a wild card. The performance differences will vary depending on specific games.

The only unfortunate thing about this card is that it's too bad it wasn't released 6 months ago. And it's still unfortunate that the frame pacing for eyefinity is a work in progress (when it that being released, anyway). Anyway, nvidia obviously already sold a ton of GTX 700 SKUs since they were the first to the punch.. Either way, though, if the card is 600$ and within the realm of Titan performance, nvidia will likely lower prices. Then everyone can be happy whether they prefer AMD or nvidia, right?

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm pretty certain that Hawaii will match Titan or come really close depending on the game - some games favor nvidia, others AMD. Hell the 780 slightly OC'ed is pretty much equal to the Titan anyway, so either performance target is fine. If Hawaii matches the 780, it's right up there with the Titan anyway. You're only paying for the VRAM on the Titan, basically, no reason for anyone to get it over a 780 since they're pretty much the same speed when you bump the clocks up on the 780 a slight bit. And the nice thing about the 780 is it isn't limited to a reference PCB and has more OC headroom. The point being is that the 780 and Titan have basically no performance difference even worth mentioning, so if the Hawaii is as fast as the 780, then an OC version would be a Titan. IMO.

Of course, some games favor specific architectures. Ubisoft/Blizzard games tend to favor nvidia, Square Enix games tend to favor AMD, so that's a wild card. The performance differences will vary depending on specific games.

The only unfortunate thing about this card is that it's too bad it wasn't released 6 months ago. And it's still unfortunate that the frame pacing for eyefinity is a work in progress (when it that being released, anyway). Anyway, nvidia obviously already sold a ton of GTX 700 SKUs since they were the first to the punch.. Either way, though, if the card is 600$ and within the realm of Titan performance, nvidia will likely lower prices. Then everyone can be happy whether they prefer AMD or nvidia, right?

I think that is it really. Even slightly faster than Titan for a little less than 780 is not going to move mountains. Those wanting to spend that much for a video card have already gotten a 780 or those willing to spend even more got a Titan before that.

Of course people are always buying new hardware and a good competitor coming from AMD will hopefully force price drops from nvidia. It looks like 20nm cards are at least 10 months out with those TSMC expectations of 2H 2014, so there is plenty of time between now and then in which people will be shopping for new GPUs and taking advantage of competition on pricing for the top-end GPU slots.

I think we'll see some form of GTX 790 at some point before 20nm cards too. A couple GTX 780s downclocked for $1000. The 7990 with the new drivers makes the 690 look like crap performance wise unless you are dealing with multiple monitors, although not having the frame pacing working on DX9 as well is pretty fail as there are still quite a few relevant titles that are DX9. Any Blizzard game, Skyrim etc.

 

[blackened23]

A GTX 790 for a 999$ pricetag would be intriguing for sure. I dare say, that would be a pretty awesome high end product.

Like I said, I think everyone should have high hopes for this product - it will be good for fans of both sides! Lower prices and more SKus for nvidia, and higher performance across the board for AMD (however fast it ends up being).