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skipsneeky2

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The current market is missing out on a gtx760 ti,where the hell is it?A moderately overclocked gtx670 with near gtx680 performance at $300 would be appealing about now for many folks i think.:awe:The gtx760@$250 and the gtx770 @$400 seriously needs a gtx760ti real quick in the $300-$350 range,doubt the discounting of the gtx670 really vouches as a filler in for the absence of a gtx760 ti.

Here is to also hoping late 2013 to mid 2014 can bring gtx780 performance down to the $500 price point,will it happen?
 

lavaheadache

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I think that is it really. Even slightly faster than Titan for a little less than 780 is not going to move mountains. Those wanting to spend that much for a video card have already gotten a 780 or those willing to spend even more got a Titan before that.

Of course people are always buying new hardware and a good competitor coming from AMD will hopefully force price drops from nvidia. It looks like 20nm cards are at least 10 months out with those TSMC expectations of 2H 2014, so there is plenty of time between now and then in which people will be shopping for new GPUs and taking advantage of competition on pricing for the top-end GPU slots.

I think we'll see some form of GTX 790 at some point before 20nm cards too. A couple GTX 780s downclocked for $1000. The 7990 with the new drivers makes the 690 look like crap performance wise unless you are dealing with multiple monitors, although not having the frame pacing working on DX9 as well is pretty fail as there are still quite a few relevant titles that are DX9. Any Blizzard game, Skyrim etc.


I bought a Titan, sold it and bought a 780. If and when AMD releases a competitive product I will likely sell the 780 and pick that up. I'm sure lots of people play that game. Heck, even you did =)
 

skipsneeky2

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I bought a Titan, sold it and bought a 780. If and when AMD releases a competitive product I will likely sell the 780 and pick that up. I'm sure lots of people play that game. Heck, even you did =)

Did you sell it cause perhaps some poor sucker paid you something like $800 for it?That kinda money would have been gtx780+$150 for a rainy day.
 

BallaTheFeared

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I think the real test will be if AMD can complete with the aftermarket 780s, forget stock, forget Titan, it's all about the aftermarket 780s right now the other two don't even matter.

Can AMD hit Titan + 10/15 percent?

I dunno, I'd like to see it, but on 28nm and given the last few nodes it seems unlikely AMD will rival Nvidia at the top.
 

blackened23

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Yeah, it's not like the 9970 will have aftermarket cards such as the lightning 9970. That's not a serious statement is it? If it matches stock 780 and Titan performance, then overclocked 9970s will surely follow.
 

BallaTheFeared

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Yeah, it's not like the 9970 will have aftermarket cards such as the lightning 9970. That's not a serious statement is it? If it matches stock 780 and Titan performance, then overclocked 9970s will surely follow.

I'm not going to presume the OC potential of an unreleased product of which I don't even know the stock performance or TDP for the matter.

However I didn't leave it out, I only stated they need to hit aftermarket 780 performance. However they do it, factory, aftermarket, overclocked it doesn't matter.
 

Termie

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Anyone here notice that the 7990 price drop has been reversed?

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...BESTMATCH&Description=hd+7990&N=-1&isNodeId=1

Yeah, well, I'm sure that's not coincidence. AMD wanted to clear the $650-700 range that the 7990 was situated in, and I'm pretty sure it's because:

(1) The 7990 will continue to be much faster than any single card, and will be priced back up in line with where it sits performance-wise.
(2) The 9970 will outperform current expectations, slotting in at $600-650 with performance to rival Titan.
 

3DVagabond

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Titans did ofc, but the 780s have Elpida. Still seem to clock about the same as my Titan's VRAM did though.

Apparently theirs a shortage of Samsung and Hynix gddr5 chips ATM. That only leaves the cheaper Elpida chips with good availability. Too bad, in a way, because the Classified was originally spec'd with Samsung chips. As you say, yours O/C's just fine anyway. It's just one of those little premium things that are nice on high end product.
 

skipsneeky2

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I sold both of mine for $850 each :awe:

Someone must really want that 6gb of vram,i recall when i purchased my i7 940 shortly after it came out and a buddy bragged about his recent purchase of a qx9770@$1,500 and how i remember crushing his heart pretty badly as somehow he had no clue about nehalem period and after a link to a couple reviews he went off the handle.
 

Grooveriding

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Someone must really want that 6gb of vram,i recall when i purchased my i7 940 shortly after it came out and a buddy bragged about his recent purchase of a qx9770@$1,500 and how i remember crushing his heart pretty badly as somehow he had no clue about nehalem period and after a link to a couple reviews he went off the handle.

The guy I sold mine to already had two of them. Told me he doesn't play games, just enjoys benchmarking. I guess if all you're after is benchmarks and maxing out your hardware, then the Titan can be worth it.
 

skipsneeky2

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The guy I sold mine to already had two of them. Told me he doesn't play games, just enjoys benchmarking. I guess if all you're after is benchmarks and maxing out your hardware, then the Titan can be worth it.

Damn thought you was gonna say something like the guy had 3x30'' 1600p monitors and just had to go tri Titans to get Crysis 3 or BF3 or some other game to average 50+ fps maxed out lol.
 

raghu78

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I'm not going to presume the OC potential of an unreleased product of which I don't even know the stock performance or TDP for the matter.

However I didn't leave it out, I only stated they need to hit aftermarket 780 performance. However they do it, factory, aftermarket, overclocked it doesn't matter.

tell me which AMD or Nvidia 28nm mid range or high end chip has difficulty hitting 1.25+ Ghz clocks especially with voltage control and proper cooling. I am talking about max OC. GK104,GK110, Tahiti, Pitcairn have all been able to hit those clocks. so its not a problem for hawaii.

Hawaii is a massive chip and will in stock form clock around 925 - 975 mhz with boost for TDP reasons. its OC headroom will be similar to Titan / GTX 780.
 

BallaTheFeared

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So 925-975Mhz stock with stock Titan performance and an additional 30% OC headroom.

It's going to use 170w of power at stock, and only peak at around 210w which is where Titan sits too once overclocked?

I'd be more willing to believe you if you provided some scribble scratch on a whiteboard.
 

raghu78

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So 925-975Mhz stock with stock Titan performance and an additional 30% OC headroom.

It's going to use 170w of power at stock, and only peak at around 210w which is where Titan sits too once overclocked?

I'd be more willing to believe you if you provided some scribble scratch on a whiteboard.

keep dreaming. :biggrin: Titan draws 238W - 250w when at stock .

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan/25.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_titan_review,9.html
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Peak is a blurp, avg is 208 over the course of an entire run.

guru3d doesn't give any wattage to the processor at all and does not reduce consumption based on PSU inefficiency.
 

blackened23

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Here's the correct answer: Kepler's load power draw isn't static - it is application dependent, depending on the final clockspeed and the power % used during the 3d application. The load power draw isn't static with the Kepler architecture, which is why many websites are aggregating samples with various 3d game power consumption. Overclocks also heavily weigh on the power output.

HardOCP is a great example. Look at how they measure power draw - actual 3d applications, taken from a sample of 3-4 games. Why? Because power draw isn't static with Kepler. That said, I really give no cares whether my 780 draws 250W or 300W, and I imagine that it won't be a big deal with the 9970 either. Note that the higher GK110 is overclocked, that makes the power consumption go way up as well. But, who cares? Really? The only thing *I* care about are the secondary effect - noise. Most of the aftermarket 780s are really good in this respect, and AMD is rumored to be working on an improved reference cooler with the 9970. The 7970 ref cooler really wasn't as good as it should have been in that respect (eg noise). I suspect that once you get into the range of 500$ GPUs, most people are running hefty PSUs and care more about secondary effects such as heat and noise rather than what their electric meter says.
 
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lavaheadache

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power draw? Do we really need to argue over a couple of watts when talking about high end cards? It just seems so trivial.
 

3DVagabond

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power draw? Do we really need to argue over a couple of watts when talking about high end cards? It just seems so trivial.

Only if performance is similar and the difference in TDP is great. Efficiency is still a positive. More power equals more heat. That means to cool it effectively and quietly it will be more expensive.
 
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