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RS you talk as of 1.25 - 1.3 Ghz is the exclusive preserve of GK110. every high end and mid range TSMC 28nm chip from Nvidia and AMD has hit those clocks at max OC. Tahiti, Pitcairn, GK104, GK110 have all shown they can hit those clocks with voltage control and good cooling . so why is Hawaii not supposed to be able to do it ?
A question to you - why do you always look at the past ? The past is not always the predictor of the future. If thats the case AMD would never have been able to create Athlon K7 and Athlon 64 K8. You are adamant in your views that Nvidia is unbeatable and this after owning an AMD card. If you don't have faith in AMD atleast lets wait till the results come out.
I think your missing his point. The more you build and hype this chip up, the more your setting yourself up for a huge disappointment. you are not leaving much room to be impressed. At the very best case, it might somehow meet these extraordinary expectations. But the more that is piled on, the chances become more and more slim.
What he is saying is that a very monumental achievement could be loosing its chance to be appreciated. That there is much more harm in building up huge hype in god like specs than just having a very modest outlook. A minimalist outlook is best suited.
The chip is coming out regardless of our expectations. The lesser your hyped vision, the greater the impression. It may very well be extraordinary and when it launches its all the better. Having a modest bar set is like setting the stage to be blown away. You see, the more you build it up before hand the less grand it can be.
Anyone think that Nvidia will put that empty spot for an 8 pin power connector to good use with the inevitable up and coming bad boy?
Bet your rubbing your hands together in anticipation aren't you?Heck i know such a card is out of my price range and it even excites me.
RS you talk as of 1.25 - 1.3 Ghz is the exclusive preserve of GK110. every high end and mid range TSMC 28nm chip from Nvidia and AMD has hit those clocks at max OC. Tahiti, Pitcairn, GK104, GK110 have all shown they can hit those clocks with voltage control and good cooling . so why is Hawaii not supposed to be able to do it ?
whats first the 9990 at $999?
then the 9970 at $550-$650
then the 9950 at $400 around Christmas.
I don't think they are going to release anything super until may of 2014 anyway
how super, well it will beat an nvidea by 4% weeeeee
Overall they spent all their time on little boxes and not on pc.
It seems that the big problem with pc is not the computer but how much they can rape for each part. mb, video, audio, case, ps are all too high.
its surprising with amd all but dead on the cpu front, intel isn't $1000 for a I7
Leadbox I love that black out, now if you can sell that to the manufactures we will have it made
I never said 9970 will not hit 1.25-1.3Ghz. What I am saying is I don't think AMD will clock their card at only 0.95-1Ghz. Looking at 680 vs. 7970, AMD needs a lot more shaders to beat a 680. Since I doubt AMD will make a 480mm2 die, they may choose to compensate for various TMU/ROP/SP units with higher clocks. I think AMD will go with a 430-440mm2 die at higher clocks than 480mm2 die at < 1Ghz. Because of that I do not anticipate the same overclocking as the 780.
The wait is getting painful now. It's frustratingly close and there is next to zero concrete information floating around. Bring me Hawaii, bring me fully unlocked GK110. Stop milking the clock!!!!
The wait is getting painful now. It's frustratingly close and there is next to zero concrete information floating around. Bring me Hawaii, bring me fully unlocked GK110. Stop milking the clock!!!!
That is only 7 days since you made the thread. 38 to go - seem like a lot of pain ahead...
I never said 9970 will not hit 1.25-1.3Ghz. What I am saying is I don't think AMD will clock their card at only 0.95-1Ghz. Looking at 680 vs. 7970, AMD needs a lot more shaders to beat a 680. Since I doubt AMD will make a 480mm2 die, they may choose to compensate for various TMU/ROP/SP units with higher clocks. I think AMD will go with a 430-440mm2 die at higher clocks than 480mm2 die at < 1Ghz. Because of that I do not anticipate the same overclocking as the 780.
AMD needs a firmer grip on power consumption as it's die sizes grow. I just don't see how AMD will keep power consumption down with a 430-440mm^2 die size unless they have significantly overhauled GCN. Tahiti is 66% bigger than Pitcairn, yet power consumption with the 7970GE is anywhere from 77% to 125% more at peak and maximum depending on the 7970GE card in question ( http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/HD_7970_SOC/26.html ). At 430 mm^2, that is 22% bigger than Tahiti, and if scaling continues to be proportionally higher watt/mm^2, then we are looking at power consumption levels higher than all the initial gtx480's - ouch.
:awe: Most certainly close to it imo.
Titan was such a massive scam and I doubt anyone is even buying them any more now, unless it is to add to an existing setup for additional cards in SLI. Nvidia pulled a huge bait and switch. After so long without putting out a big die on 28nm for Geforce, they drop Titan making people think Titan would be it, then they drop 780 using GK110 a few months later for $350 less and almost the same performance...
Glad I managed to dump mine and get the Classified 780s before the new AMD card comes out. Titan is going to be worth half its MSRP on the used market in a short while. I wonder if they will try the same boondoggle again on 20nm.
Looking forward to seeing what AMD can do with a Titan killer for less money and how it shakes things up with heavy Battlefield 4 marketing involvement and bundles.
Forums will be ablaze no doubt. ()
I guess spending $999 on any PC graphics card at the minute is silly, considering you have been, and will be playing console ports 90% of the time. Next week I'm buying either a GTX670 or a 7950 for around £160 and maybe a year after the next gen consoles have been around, I'll pick up a card that runs the NEW generation of shitty console to PC ports 2x faster than the Titan or any current "top end" card, probably for pennies.