What is so special about windows 8, that windows 7 cant do with today's hardware?
windows 8 is FAIL
Windows Server 2012 is FAIL.
(metro dashboard is FAIL.)
Do you know how long it takes a new user to figure out where the shutdown button is?
I can tell you, its take about 10-15 min for someone new to figure out how to shut down on windows 8 on average.
Its also kinda funny to watch as they struggle looking for the shutdown button.
Some of my IT friends on the first time got annoyed that they couldn't find it so they just held down the power button instead.
Its a no brainer everyone is forcing the CEO of microsoft to retire.
http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-pushed-retire-early-231538569.html
And it wasnt a nice ask either... it was a "GTFO"...
Meaning they were gonna fire him, if he didnt accept retirement.
^ that should tell u the success to windows 8 and server 2012, and all the other monkey stuff Microsoft has been doing lately.
He has completely destoryed what microsoft was in the past 3 yrs with windows 8.
He split up the community big time telling the hobbiest / professionals either we suck up to change or leave.
So most professionals said OK, we'll LEAVE....
They have also destroyed a gateway for developers to expand by getting rid of technet.
The company is an entire mess... I and many others have started putting up life rafts to get away from microsoft....
If possible i expect to move off microsoft on all my systems minus my gaming system by next april.
Windows 8... u figure of 75% of the audience beg'd microsoft for a start button, they would say SORRY, OK we'll put it back.
No instead they said go suck it up... or leave... but u cant cuz all the laptops u can buy outside mac's are forced with windows 8.
Hence your forced to use a third party ap, for a primary function which was built on windows that we were literally grown up on.
(well now u can download a microsoft ap to fix this... )
Sigh microsoft... I hope the new CEO FIXES a lot of stuff... especially things like TECHNET... and also puts windows8 under the rug quickly like they did with windows ME.
Which i felt was another sorry excuse for an OS...
<my rant with microsoft.... but im glad they themselves realize something is wrong and is forcing the CEO to take the walk... now they can try to recover...>
this is what they hopped for instead its not what happening.
IT dont even bother with the dashboard... they all HATE windows server 2012 mostly.
They just BMC into the machine and go around the metro dashboard madness.
what is so good about windows 8 over 7?
The majority of us speed users have SSD's. Even the medium tier desktop setups now use SSD's.
Whats the difference in bootup from windows 8 and windows 7 with SSD?
What is so special about windows 8, that windows 7 cant do with today's hardware?
I feel if it takes a new user more then 10 seconds to figure out how to shutdown the machine... the OS FAILED to begin with.
I agree, I also like 8 over 7. The problem is it's not just AT, it pretty much everywhere. How do you change people's minds when they are already made up?
It's true that some users are more adaptive than others but that doesn't void the fact that Win8 has pretty much dysfunctional interface and that it technically does not have advantage over previous versions.IT users should know how to use the OS in question regardless of OS,if not they should get training or have better staff it's not rocket science,I guess the days of employees being adaptable and flexible have gone and they have to be spoon feed even after training ,they are being paid to do the job with the tools the company gives them.
Stick shutdown on taskbar or Win+x menu that's what I did,hate to say it but what's special about Win7 ie improved rehash of Vista which is improved rehash of XP which is improved rehash of 98 etc ....Win8 is a new direction ie hybrid OS with some new ideas and improvements ,no doubt Win9 will be an improved rehash version of Win8 and cycle continues yet some people will still bitch and moan rather then embrace and the learn the OS in question.
I'll book my front seat for Win9,10,11 because you know people are going to complain about something.
I bought a laptop with Win 8 in early March 2013, about 6 months ago. I'm wondering why you say it's "barely acceptable on a laptop." My laptop does not have a touch screen but a mouse works quite well for navigating the Start screen. Using the mouse wheel quickly scrolls the tiles on the Start screen.windows 8 is good for a touch interface, but I will not be using windows 8 on a desktop. It's barely acceptable on a laptop.
OK. Let's get to the REAL question: can we use ClassicShell just like in Windows7 or our we stuck with this lousy Metro interface. Can we make it look and act like Windows 7 after applying ClassicShell? If the answer is yes than what's the problem? If the answer is no I'll be using Windows 7 and ClassicShell for the rest of my life!
I don't use it, but when I was trialing it, I was rather fond of the start screen. What I don't like is hidden triggers on the screen, a la start corner, and charms bar. That's piss poor design, and I don't like it on any desktop environment. Allowing the user to enable it is fine, but by default, triggers should be visible.
The NSA has a backdoor because they can get the keys from MS. MS has already been complicit in compromising the security of their products to please the government. It's foolish to think they'd draw the line at TPM keys. Assuming they did take an ethical stand(I guess there's a first time for everything), they can be compelled to hand the keys over, and not disclose it to anyone.
There's a nice fat section at Wikipedia outlining the problems with TC. We're beyond trust at this point. It's been proven that technology not controlled by the user will be used against them. Any other stance is just whistling past the graveyard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing#Criticism
7 is old and tired now compared to Win 8. Plus:
- 8 has vastly improved network/local file copying (pause, resume, intelligent file replacement)
- 8 has native .iso support, right click and mount
- 8 has native USB 3 support and the twitchiness looks to be solved in 8.1
- 8 is noticeable faster and slicker in day to day usage, especially with an SSD, but also on a HDD
- 8 supports Fast Boot, my laptop and tablet boot in under 5 seconds, desktop in under 10
- 8 has slightly better security in the kernel over 7, and vastly improved over XP.
- 8 of all the Windows OS's has been the most stable, 7 was great, but 8 is really really great. This is based, as below, if you have modern hardware with modern drivers, not some old crap from 1995.
I'm running 8 on all my systems now - gaming box, work box, tablet, and laptop. All are running modern hardware with native 8 drivers and all work flawlessly. All will soon be clean installed or upgraded to 8.1, and all except for the gaming box run a Microsoft account.
And having to go into and out of Metro all the damn time, because MS was retarded[1]. And no, installing another 3rd party utility does not do the job, because these are not my computers.The Start button is most people's aggravation.
And having to go into and out of Metro all the damn time, because MS was retarded[1]. And no, installing another 3rd party utility does not do the job, because these are not my computers.
Example: Devices. Metro's Devices shows spare displays, and nothing else. Go to Settings, and then Devices, and you get the devices+printers list (2 places named Devices, one of which I still haven't figured out the purpose of, because I've never seen anything but spare video outputs in it). Want to add a network printer, though? Oh, sorry, you're going to have to go to the old Control Panel, to the old add wizard, then go back to Metro to make sure it worked, because undoubtedly that's where you get to the program they need. And, if you click on the little sentence about not finding what you're looking for, which is right where something similar is on the old wizard, it just brings up help (I even know not to do it, but the dialogs are so similar, that habit kicks in when network discovery fails ), instead of options to point to the device you need. Why not just make the new add a device wizard have all the functionality of the old device and old printer add wizards, and then get rid of the old one?
Half-assed duplication of interfaces like that is confusing, especially to normal users, and quite simply retarded, on MS' part, showing they did pretty much zero research, or user testing, on the matter. They should have either made Metro 100% optional, or done a true merging of new/tablet and old/desktop UIs, as far as the user could see (a new under the hood infrastructure was a good idea, and it would have let them streamline parts, but it needed to work side by side with the old one). Oh, and try explaining what's different between Internet Explorer and Internet Explorer, to non-techies (you have to start with the explanation of what a web browser is, and they're both installed, from MS, and named IE...I've found it close to impossible).
Yes, I have to deal with this fairly regularly, why do you ask?
Way to deflect. Bravo. Regardless of the chances of that being astronomically low (that's a whole different ladder, and I'll be happy staying far away from it--I don't own a tie, I don't own a sportscoat, and I like it that way), none of that makes Windows 8's UI decisions any less retarded.I'd say at the end of the day, it wasn't your call.
I do, and one that doesn't leave me on my ass all day (if I get going before work, and have to sit all day, I go crazy; if I don't, then I have no energy at night or on the weekend; fuck that noise). I don't whine about it on the forums, but I was a regular old recession statistic for quite awhile, and then made a prospects-reducing career change along the way, from programming to general IT, after a revelatory short-term gig.Enjoy having a job
So someone else can deal with the crap, instead of the crap not being there in the first place? Someone will have to deal with it, as it is now. Non-employees must bring their own. Even if I were to work up to a point of having some say about that, that's the right decision, at least for anything they carry home with them. What are they likely to purchase? Exactly. So, again, that makes Windows 8's UI decisions no less retarded, which was the point.work up that ladder and get into a deciding role.
The job is actually nice (I'm moving around a lot, dealing with people, there's some travel, my boss is cool, most of the people I work around/for are cool, the commute is short, it's in a good location for midday walks in lieu of going out to eat--I bring my lunch a lot, and eat it in between clicking yes/next, sometimes--etc.), and getting out of it quickly would be bad, both personally and professionally. I do hope it becomes something more, but it would be best for me to get out of it slowly.I worked in this kind of thing in the past. I quickly got out of it.
I don't use keyboard shortcuts on Win8 and have no productivity issues,as to office workers they get paid to use the tools the company gives them ,end of the day Win8 is not hard to adjust too unless the office workers are morans,sure it has some changes and small learning curve but what happened to office workers being adaptable etc within the office environment.
I don't know about you but that is an important asset/skill that most employers look for,guess Win8 is too much for them right?
Also with respect Win8 can behave like Win7 for the most part ,if you can't figure that out you are doing it all wrong.
It breaks all known UI design guidelines.
Way to deflect. Bravo. Regardless of the chances of that being astronomically low (that's a whole different ladder, and I'll be happy staying far away from it--I don't own a tie, I don't own a sportscoat, and I like it that way), none of that makes Windows 8's UI decisions any less retarded.
I do, and one that doesn't leave me on my ass all day (if I get going before work, and have to sit all day, I go crazy; if I don't, then I have no energy at night or on the weekend; fuck that noise). I don't whine about it on the forums, but I was a regular old recession statistic for quite awhile, and then made a prospects-reducing career change along the way, from programming to general IT, after a revelatory short-term gig.
So someone else can deal with the crap, instead of the crap not being there in the first place? Someone will have to deal with it, as it is now. Non-employees must bring their own. Even if I were to work up to a point of having some say about that, that's the right decision, at least for anything they carry home with them. What are they likely to purchase? Exactly. So, again, that makes Windows 8's UI decisions no less retarded, which was the point.
The job is actually nice (I'm moving around a lot, dealing with people, there's some travel, my boss is cool, most of the people I work around/for are cool, the commute is short, it's in a good location for midday walks in lieu of going out to eat--I bring my lunch a lot, and eat it in between clicking yes/next, sometimes--etc.), and getting out of it quickly would be bad, both personally and professionally. I do hope it becomes something more, but it would be best for me to get out of it slowly.
...Half-assed duplication of interfaces like that is confusing, especially to normal users, and quite simply retarded, on MS' part, showing they did pretty much zero research, or user testing, on the matter. They should have either made Metro 100% optional, or done a true merging of new/tablet and old/desktop UIs, as far as the user could see (a new under the hood infrastructure was a good idea, and it would have let them streamline parts, but it needed to work side by side with the old one)...