N.J. Principal Unapologetic for Videotape of Kids Praising Obama

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Whats the difference between God and Obama? God doesn't think he's Obama.

(An oldie but goodie)

Dont Know Better, If you had as much knowledge of the sacred as the profane, you would know God is in everyone and everything. So God knows He is Obama. While Obama just thinks he is Obama.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
While what this teacher did was clearly inappropriate, I think the school receiving death threats over it, demonstrates my point that Obama's wingnut objectors are so over-the-top with their mouth-foaming anger and vitriol that there's absolutely no hope for them. Just like Sarah Palin's hate-a-thon's helped bring down the Republican ticket in '08, this same exact level of fuckery will bring them down in 2010 and so on.

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

Anyone got money on the OP sending in some of the threats?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
While what this teacher did was clearly inappropriate, I think the school receiving death threats over it, demonstrates my point that Obama's wingnut objectors are so over-the-top with their mouth-foaming anger and vitriol that there's absolutely no hope for them. Just like Sarah Palin's hate-a-thon's helped bring down the Republican ticket in '08, this same exact level of fuckery will bring them down in 2010 and so on.

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

Anyone got money on the OP sending in some of the threats?

Um, no. I don't threaten people.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
While what this teacher did was clearly inappropriate, I think the school receiving death threats over it, demonstrates my point that Obama's wingnut objectors are so over-the-top with their mouth-foaming anger and vitriol that there's absolutely no hope for them. Just like Sarah Palin's hate-a-thon's helped bring down the Republican ticket in '08, this same exact level of fuckery will bring them down in 2010 and so on.

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

nutjobs are called nutjobs for a reason. eco-nutjobs bomb SUVs and whatnot. pro-life nutjobs bomb abortion clinics. and regular nutjobs just bomb/kill whoever.

i'm middle of the road, but probably right leaning a little. definitely a fiscal conservative. i don't hate obama.

however, i do think that any meaningful healthcare reform isn't going to come in the form of a 1000+ page bill not read by our congressmen, written over the course of a few months, to which 370 amendments have been added in a single week (washington post a few weeks back), and pushed by a congress who wants to pass legislation just to say it's been done (basically, the people who say without doubt "we WILL pass a bill within _____" the scariest so far that i've seen being Nancy Pelosi)

 

[Ihey8neocons]

Every school child should be foreced to watch hated filled diatribes against Bush. That's what he and his neocon buddies deserve for destroying America.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
To all Obamabot Obama apologists: last time I checked no schoolchildren in a public school sang praise about Clinton or Bush. This reminds me of Jesus Camp when the kids were worshipping a Dubya stand-up figure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

O RLY http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...f-the-mouths-of-babes/

At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency.

To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:

Our country?s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
To all Obamabot Obama apologists: last time I checked no schoolchildren in a public school sang praise about Clinton or Bush. This reminds me of Jesus Camp when the kids were worshipping a Dubya stand-up figure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg

O RLY http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...f-the-mouths-of-babes/

At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency.

To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:

Our country?s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

You're doing a heckuva job you unqualified horse training fuck

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Trained zombies become enraged over rumors zombies are being trained.

LOL, but still that is no justifacation for this that I can see?

 

[dahunan]

^^^ the crazy thing is.. This is ONE classroom

While we have diseases known as dittohead and people who idolize Glenn Beck and Michael Savage ... but going all rabid about BS like this classroom cures what and deflects from what and wastes resources ...

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Yeah. The teacher is an idiot.

Correct.

Hope she gets, er I mean got (that's right, months ago.) reprimanded for this nonsense.

No, she won't, because there's a huge number of cultist followers of Obama who not only can't understand that what she did is terrible and that she should be fired for such actions, they encourage that kind of behavior as long as it helps push worship of their cult leader.

In fact, the principal of the school falls in that category.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
While what this teacher did was clearly inappropriate, I think the school receiving death threats over it, demonstrates my point that Obama's wingnut objectors are so over-the-top with their mouth-foaming anger and vitriol that there's absolutely no hope for them. Just like Sarah Palin's hate-a-thon's helped bring down the Republican ticket in '08, this same exact level of fuckery will bring them down in 2010 and so on.

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

nutjobs are called nutjobs for a reason. eco-nutjobs bomb SUVs and whatnot. pro-life nutjobs bomb abortion clinics. and regular nutjobs just bomb/kill whoever.

i'm middle of the road, but probably right leaning a little. definitely a fiscal conservative. i don't hate obama.

however, i do think that any meaningful healthcare reform isn't going to come in the form of a 1000+ page bill not read by our congressmen, written over the course of a few months, to which 370 amendments have been added in a single week (washington post a few weeks back), and pushed by a congress who wants to pass legislation just to say it's been done (basically, the people who say without doubt "we WILL pass a bill within _____" the scariest so far that i've seen being Nancy Pelosi)

Ah, so you're one of those "too fast, too soon" nutjobs?

Let's see here... the Dems have wanted to pass healthcare reforms for decades upon decades now, just how long do you think it would take them to jot down their ideas and stick those ideas into a bill? Not very long. I seriously doubt any Congresscritters read any of their bills in their entirety, that's why they have an army of assistants available to read those bills and then tell them exactly the gist of what they're voting on. I mean not to mention, these same congress people were a part of the bill creation and amendment process, so they know precisely what's going into the final bill.

But oh the noes! Legislative language takes up too much paper! Think of the trees, won't you?!? Think of the trees!

Excuse me for thinking your concerns are beyond stupid. At least come up with something substantial to bitch about.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
While what this teacher did was clearly inappropriate, I think the school receiving death threats over it, demonstrates my point that Obama's wingnut objectors are so over-the-top with their mouth-foaming anger and vitriol that there's absolutely no hope for them. Just like Sarah Palin's hate-a-thon's helped bring down the Republican ticket in '08, this same exact level of fuckery will bring them down in 2010 and so on.

Good luck, you're gonna need it!

nutjobs are called nutjobs for a reason. eco-nutjobs bomb SUVs and whatnot. pro-life nutjobs bomb abortion clinics. and regular nutjobs just bomb/kill whoever.

i'm middle of the road, but probably right leaning a little. definitely a fiscal conservative. i don't hate obama.

however, i do think that any meaningful healthcare reform isn't going to come in the form of a 1000+ page bill not read by our congressmen, written over the course of a few months, to which 370 amendments have been added in a single week (washington post a few weeks back), and pushed by a congress who wants to pass legislation just to say it's been done (basically, the people who say without doubt "we WILL pass a bill within _____" the scariest so far that i've seen being Nancy Pelosi)

Ah, so you're one of those "too fast, too soon" nutjobs?

Let's see here... the Dems have wanted to pass healthcare reforms for decades upon decades now, just how long do you think it would take them to jot down their ideas and stick those ideas into a bill? Not very long. I seriously doubt any Congresscritters read any of their bills in their entirety, that's why they have an army of assistants available to read those bills and then tell them exactly the gist of what they're voting on. I mean not to mention, these same congress people were a part of the bill creation and amendment process, so they know precisely what's going into the final bill.

But oh the noes! Legislative language takes up too much paper! Think of the trees, won't you?!? Think of the trees!

Excuse me for thinking your concerns are beyond stupid. At least come up with something substantial to bitch about.

Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

 

[jonks]

Was the teacher acting inappropriately? Probably. Was it the equivalent of nazi germany or khmer rouge tactics? Of course it was!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...merica--target-america

Start at about 3:25 in.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Come on, Red. If this story was about Bush you'd be all over it. Instead you're attempting to minimize it like the rest of the partisan pricks here.

She's touring the country with this crap, and holding what amounts to political rallies in schools and children's centers and no one is stopping her.

I can tell you no matter what party the president is from, this story would piss me off.

If it was a directive from the Dept of Education it would piss me off. That said it's up to the children's parents to put a stop to this.

Exactly. If your kids are "brainwashed" by this you're a shitty parent.

That's funny. I wonder if you'd say the same thing if they were pushing religion in the school?

lol pure ownage

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
It smacks too much of totalitarian nations and their indoctrination. Re-education camps next?

Please, do tell us about your experience with totalitarian regimes.

On a side note, I remember the good old days when I was in elementary school. HWBush was president. We would begin each day by reciting the [mangled] words of the Socialist Francis Bellamy:

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

I remember going home after school, unable to wash off the stench of socialism and indoctrination from my clothes.

my god you are pathetic.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

How do you know all of that stuff is already happening? It is. Frankly, it's one of the stupidest arguments out there. Almost as lame as the one that claims the bill "...has too many pages..." :roll:

Realistically, slowing the bill's passage down seems to be the Republican'ts only remaining strategy. It's really f'ing obvious.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Come on, Red. If this story was about Bush you'd be all over it. Instead you're attempting to minimize it like the rest of the partisan pricks here.

She's touring the country with this crap, and holding what amounts to political rallies in schools and children's centers and no one is stopping her.

I can tell you no matter what party the president is from, this story would piss me off.

If it was a directive from the Dept of Education it would piss me off. That said it's up to the children's parents to put a stop to this.

Exactly. If your kids are "brainwashed" by this you're a shitty parent.

That's funny. I wonder if you'd say the same thing if they were pushing religion in the school?

lol pure ownage

er, I don't think you understand the reason religion is opposed in schools. It has nothing to do with indoctrination or brainwashing.

 

[OutHouse]

schools should be kept free of politics period.

its down right scary how obama lovers can not be objective at all. what happened to taking a step back and actually looking at the issue instead of calling everybody who questions ANYTHING at all with Obama or his cult followers as nutjobs and hack? scary indeed.

 

[jonks]

Reagan gave a speech in my hometown when I was in elementary school. The teachers had all the students work on posters welcoming Mr President to Town. I thought my sign was the best. Somehow I grew up into a democrat anyway.

Again, I don't approve of the song, but call me when the song is about supporting the public option.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

How do you know all of that stuff is already happening? It is.

Uh, no, it isn't. Many house and senate members have admitted to not having been able to read the bill. In fact, if members in many cases had mere hours to supposedly read a thousand plus pages of legislation, it's impossible for them to have read it. Further, with hundreds of amendments being added to the bill, there's all sorts of potential catches and problems that have not been thought out yet. That's what happens when you rush something through.

Frankly, it's one of the stupidest arguments out there.

It's a perfectly logical argument. You don't like it because you have your mind made up that government run heath care is a great thing, no matter how it's implemented. For those of us that are rational who want to see reform but not something that's going to screw things up even worse than what they are now, taking the time to figure things out and examine all the angles seems like a prudent thing to do. But hey, who needs to examine and think when you can just pass something and move on?

Realistically, slowing the bill's passage down seems to be the Republican'ts only remaining strategy. It's really f'ing obvious.

Again, yes, that's just the only option, clearly we should not slow anything down, we should just pass whatever garbage it is without examining and deal with the consequences for the next 100 years. Good thinking.

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: jonks
Was the teacher acting inappropriately? Probably. Was it the equivalent of nazi germany or khmer rouge tactics? Of course it was!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/wa...merica--target-america

Start at about 3:25 in.

LMAO, that's great. I notice the complete lack of outrage.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

How do you know all of that stuff is already happening? It is. Frankly, it's one of the stupidest arguments out there. Almost as lame as the one that claims the bill "...has too many pages..." :roll:

Realistically, slowing the bill's passage down seems to be the Republican'ts only remaining strategy. It's really f'ing obvious.

Please PM me your home addy; I'm going to send a few pieces of paper. All you need to do is go to the last page and sign it in front of a notary and another witness and then send the package back to me. Don't bother reading anything else; no biggy.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

How do you know all of that stuff is already happening? It is. Frankly, it's one of the stupidest arguments out there. Almost as lame as the one that claims the bill "...has too many pages..." :roll:

Realistically, slowing the bill's passage down seems to be the Republican'ts only remaining strategy. It's really f'ing obvious.

so realistically you are all for lawmakers voting on bills without reading them.

:roll: thats pretty damn lame dude.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Amused
Now I don't care who you are, this is scary. It smacks too much of totalitarian nations and their indoctrination. Re-education camps next?

Now if this is just an isolated incident by one stupid teacher or school, fine... but if not... wow...

Link to story: (Has links to video and text of lyrics)

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ising-president-obama/

Elementary School Students Reportedly Taught Songs Praising President Obama

Nearly 20 young children are captured in an online video as they sing songs that overflow with campaign slogans and praise for "Barack Hussein Obama," as they repeatedly chant the president's name and celebrate his accomplishments.

FOXNews.com

Thursday, September 24, 2009

Updated story with parent reactions:

Parents of students at a New Jersey elementary school are up in arms after a class of young kids was videotaped being "brainwashed" into singing the praises of President Obama.

B. Bernice Young Elementary School was placed on lockdown Thursday after the school's principal received death threats over a YouTube video that showed nearly 20 children being taught songs lauding the president. Back to school night events appeared to be continuing as planned Thursday night at the school, but it was known whether Principal Denise King would attend.

Video of the students at the Burlington, N.J., school shows them singing songs overflowing with campaign slogans and praise for "Barack Hussein Obama," repeatedly chanting the president's name and celebrating his accomplishments, including his "great plans" to "make this country's economy No. 1 again."

One song that the children were taught quotes directly from the spiritual "Jesus Loves the Little Children," though Jesus' name is replaced with Obama's: "He said red, yellow, black or white/All are equal in his sight. Barack Hussein Obama."

Click here to see the video.

The video has set off families in Burlington who said they were horrified that their children at the Kindergarten through Second Grade school were being "indoctrinated" to view the president like a cult figure.

"I'm stunned -- I can't believe it's our school," said Jim Pronchik, who told FOXNews.com his 8-year-old son Jimmy was one of the 18 students in the video. "We don't want to praise this guy like he's a god or an idol or a king or anything like that. That's the wrong message to be sending."

Click here to see the full lyrics to both songs.

Pronchik said he and his wife were never informed about the lesson, which the superintendent of Burlington Township schools says was held in February as part of Black History Month "to honor the contributions of African Americans to our country."

Superintendent Christopher Manno said in a written statement Thursday that the taping itself was out of order, but failed to address whether the lesson was approved. "The recording and distribution of the class activity were unauthorized," he wrote in a note to parents and the media.

Other families arriving at Bernice Young Elementary to pick up their children said they were outraged at the songs, which also tout a fair-pay bill Obama signed in January: "He said we must be clear today/Equal work means equal pay."

"I felt this was reminiscent of 1930's Germany, and the indoctrination of children to worship their leader," said Robert Bowen, father of two children at Bernice Young Elementary.

"I thought that if this was a civics class in say high school or upper level middle school, in might be appropriate to discuss policies or politics, but as far as children in first grade, second grade -- those types of levels -- it's inappropriate to discuss how a president is changing the world after only six weeks in office."

Parents said the songs were performed in Elvira James' second grade class. James, who refused to comment to FOXNews.com, retired at the end of the previous school year on a full pension in New Jersey.

Bowen said he thought there should be consequences for having provided such a one-sided lesson to impressionable students there.

"It's something that there should be serious repercussions for ... the administration here, and I think the school board needs to be answerable to the parents of the community," said Bowen. School board members did not respond to requests for comment.

Though the school was not planning to address the tape during back-to-school-night events, many parents were heading in with with a lot of questions about the tape.

"This video is disturbing," said a grandparent named Sandy, who spoke on the condition that her last name not be included. "We don't teach politics in pre-school -- or kindergarten or first grade."

"This has no place in the classroom," said Sandy, added Sandy, who told FOXNews.com she has two grandchildren attending Bernice Young Elementary. "It may have been the opinion of one or two, and someone should pay the consequences for it."

The author of the songs is unknown, but a woman -- possibly a teacher -- can be heard in the beginning of the video correcting and helping a student who has forgotten the words. Another woman, the person holding the camera, cheers the students on: "All right," she says. "I like that."

"Alteredbeat," the YouTube user who posted the video on the Internet, told FOXNews.com that the video was first put online by Charisse Carney-Nunes, an activist and author of the children's book "I Am Barack Obama," which her Web site says "allows children to see themselves through the inspirational story of President Obama." Carney-Nunes has been promoting the book during visits to schools on the east coast.

A poster for the book can been seen near the stage of the auditorium in the video of Bernice Young Elementary, but it is unclear whether Carney-Nunes had visited the school or was present during the filming.

"Alteredbeat" told FOXNews.com that he reached out to Carney-Nunes, who insisted that the program had been filmed in June as part of a Father's Day tribute to President Obama. "The kids made up the songs on their own," she wrote, according to the YouTube user.

"Alteredbeat" originally posted the video Sept. 6, two days before Obama made an address to the nation's schoolchildren in which he praised the American education system as the best in the world and urged students to stay in school.

"At the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world," Obama said.

-----------------------------------------------------

Update:

N.J. Principal Unapologetic for Videotape of Kids Praising Obama, Parents Say
The principal of a New Jersey elementary school where young students were videotaped singing the praises of President Obama is making no apologies for the videotape and says she would allow the performance again if she could, according to parents who spoke with her Thursday night.

A yearbook photograph shows Dr. Denise King, right, prinicipal of B. Bernice Young Elementary School, attending the inauguration of President Obama on Jan. 20. (FOXNews.com)

The principal of a New Jersey elementary school where young students were videotaped singing the praises of President Obama is making no apologies for the videotape and says she would allow the performance again if she could, according to parents who spoke with her Thursday night.

Three parents told FOXNews.com that Dr. Denise King, principal of B. Bernice Young Elementary School in Burlington, N.J., defended the controversial performance, which was videotaped and posted on YouTube, when they approached her during a "Back to School" event.

Parent Jim Angelillo said King told him the lesson was merely part of Black History month, and not an attempt to indoctrinate students, as critics have charged. He said he believes teachers have the freedom to express their political views, but not in the classroom.

"Freedom of speech, not freedom to teach," Angelillo told FOXNews.com.

King has long been a fan of Obama, hanging pictures of the president in her school's hallways and touting her trip to his inauguration in the school yearbook.

Included in the full-page yearbook spread were Obama campaign slogans ("Yes we can! Yes we did!") and photos King took in Washington on Jan. 20, when she attended the inauguration.

There also were photos taken at the school depicting students doing Obama-themed activities about their "hopes for the future," featuring posters of Obama. According to the yearbook, students watched the inauguration in class.

Parents said Elvira James, the teacher of the class that was videotaped, also seemed to be promoting Obama.

"She praised him, she put pictures on the walls," said Jim Pronchick, whose 8-year-old son, Jimmy, was in James' class last year. "When he won (the election) they really went off."

Leslie Gibson, who has two children at the school, said she was "shocked" at the videotape, adding that political beliefs, like religious views, should be kept at home. She also said King made a "big deal" about her attendance at the inauguration.

"Throughout the school, there were signs posted supporting Barack Obama quite a bit," Gibson told FOXNews.com. "I understand it's a historical event, but on the same token, I like politics to be left at home and I think she should follow that as well."

Attempts to reach King on Friday were unsuccessful. A recording at the school said its mailbox was full and could not accept new messages.

A search of public records revealed that King, 46, of Cinnaminson, N.J., last voted in 2004 and had not declared any political affiliation. No records of political contributions could be found.

In November, the 9,700-plus residents of Burlington, N.J., a Philadelphia suburb, voted overwhelming for Obama, who received 3,285 votes to Sen. John McCain's 1,308.

The controversy over the YouTube video extended into northwest Arkansas on Friday, as officials at the Bernice Young Elementary School in Springdale said they had been received calls from across the country and Canada from irate parents and other individuals.

Principal Debbie Flora told the Associated Press that the callers claimed the school was teaching political opinion and that some "did not use very kind language."

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...-long-obama-supporter/

I couldn't agree more Obama is up to something with the youth of this country. What I am not sure. Even if I knew I wouldn't try to stop it. Hell I have waited 45 years for this clown . I bet his worst= Stalins.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Yes, because thinking the most important piece of legilation to come out of DC in decades that will affect all of us in matters of life and death, a bill that will affect the country forever, should be read through, thought through, debated, understood before being passed is just dumb. We should just willy-nilly push some stupid thing through, that makes a lot more sense. Who needs to read that stuff? Just pass whatever damn thing and see what happens. :roll:

How do you know all of that stuff is already happening? It is. Frankly, it's one of the stupidest arguments out there. Almost as lame as the one that claims the bill "...has too many pages..." :roll:

Realistically, slowing the bill's passage down seems to be the Republican'ts only remaining strategy. It's really f'ing obvious.

so realistically you are all for lawmakers voting on bills without reading them.

:roll: thats pretty damn lame dude.

Reading them and understanding them are two different things. Do Republicans read them before they vote them down? Of course they fsckng don't. So what's your point again?