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waggy

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I do hope those of you fearful of Pelosi are really expressing your terror of being caught masturbating by Mommy, right, and thinking of her as you do? God only knows the reasons for this, but there does seem to be a tendency to make ourselves sick for being normal and gravitationally pulled by the power of taboo?

got caught masturbating by mommy? yeah been there 25 yrs ago. told to clean up and she shut the door.

bad part is she told my dad who made jokes about it for the next 20 years..sigh
 

nick1985

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Dec 29, 2002
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You mean people who attack the freedom of religion?
Yeah, except Obama hasn't launched such an investigation and let them hide behind the same First Amendment they attack.

Nobody is saying they dont have a right to build there. They do. Most of the nation just thinks its in bad taste.

Speaking of amendments people attack, how about the 2nd your kind loves to want to erase?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I do hope those of you fearful of Pelosi are really expressing your terror of being caught masturbating by Mommy, right, and thinking of her as you do? God only knows the reasons for this, but there does seem to be a tendency to make ourselves sick for being normal and gravitationally pulled by the power of taboo?

Caught masturbating by mommy? Hell, your mom begged me to spooge on her face. No catching necessary.
 

senseamp

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Nobody is saying they dont have a right to build there. They do. Most of the nation just thinks its in bad taste.

Speaking of amendments people attack, how about the 2nd your kind loves to want to erase?

When you attack Obama for saying that they have a right to build there, you are saying they don't have a right to build there, or you are an intellectual coward. Either one is a threat to the Constitution.
 

xj0hnx

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When you attack Obama for saying that they have a right to build there, you are saying they don't have a right to build there, or you are an intellectual coward. Either one is a threat to the Constitution.

It really is no wonder why people think loony leftist are a joke and dismiss them as completely irrelevant.
 

werepossum

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The sooner all the asshole Republicans die the better. Only the brain dead sleep to the fact that the only reason there is any attention to a mosque at ground zero is because it can be used to gin up the dregs of society, the haters looking for something to hate so they can be turned out in their psychotic rage to vote for Rescumlicans. By this means do the shit of our society keep grasping for power. Only worthless scum who are anti-American oppose the religious freedoms of others granted by the Constitution. Scum loving Anti-Americans are what they are. Their bloom like a red tide is exactly why we were attacked. It is their hate and their fear that the terrorists sought to fester and boil like puss sacks in the flesh of this once great nation. You rotten worthless bastards are as worthless as the terrorists that attacked us, stupid, fearful, demented little cowards.

All an investigation into the money funding the mosque brouhaha will produce is the names of partisan Republicans, just like the money for Prop 8 came from Religious Bigot Religions that vote Republican. Republicans are the party of hate, division, and the destruction of American greatness.

Caricature, thy name is Moonbeam. Logic, thou are not acquainted with the fellow.
 

BoberFett

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When you attack Obama for saying that they have a right to build there, you are saying they don't have a right to build there, or you are an intellectual coward. Either one is a threat to the Constitution.

The biggest threat to America is people as stupid as you.
 

MikeMike

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They have the right to build a Mosque, just like we have a right to protest it...

now why is our right to protest being investigated?

oh, because the left HATES freedom of speech
 

EndGame

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Very interesting article by a friend of Obama's.................

http://www.aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=21980

A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?

16/08/2010
By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid


US President Barack Obama adopted a difficult position when he supported the building of a mosque near ground zero, where 3,000 US citizens died at the hands of Al-Qaeda terrorists on 11 September 2001.

Despite the fact that the president adopted the correct stance in principle, i.e. the principle of freedom of worship, in my opinion he adopted an unnecessary and unimportant stance, even as far as Muslims are concerned. The mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they are not bothered by its construction.

This reminds us of another principled stance Obama took when he insisted on putting the Guantanamo prisoners accused of belonging to Al-Qaeda on trial before civilian courts, and on closing down the military prison. It is true that this stance deserves appreciation. However, the fact is that he fought a battle that does not concern Muslims across the world, because there are tens of thousands of Muslims - similar to those accused of extremism - who are imprisoned in worse conditions in Muslim countries.

Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery, and are not bothered with Bin Ladin's cook being put on trial in a civilian court. Muslims have issues that encroach upon the destinies of nations; these issues are the cause of isolation and calamity, such as the establishment of the State of Palestine. For Obama to focus his energy and efforts, and fight for the establishment of peace in the Middle East is more important and more valuable than a mosque in New York.

The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!

I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!

The sides enthusiastic for building the mosque might be building companies, architect houses, or politicized groups that want suitable investments?! I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits. This is because the idea of the mosque specifically next to the destruction is not at all a clever deed. The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.

What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

It is the wrong battle, because originally there was no mosque in order to rebuild it, and there are no practicing Muslims who want a place in which to worship.
 

senseamp

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The biggest threat to America is people as stupid as you.

No, the biggest threat to America are morons like you who'll take a stand against the First Amendment because Obama took a stand for it, or because it benefits a different religion. That's how freedom is lost.
 

BoberFett

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I wonder what it'll take for it to sink into stankamp's thick skull that he himself is "taking a stand against the First Amendment" by attacking people who criticize the president?
 

senseamp

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I wonder what it'll take for it to sink into stankamp's thick skull that he himself is "taking a stand against the First Amendment" by attacking people who criticize the president?

Criticizing him for what? Saying that people have freedom of religion.
 

senseamp

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Anything they want. Freedom of speech is a funny thing. It means you can say things that people such as you don't like.

And freedom of religion means people of religions you don't like can build a mosque. Freedom of religion is funny that way.
 

senseamp

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Here is what Obama is being attacked for saying:
Recently, attention has been focused on the construction of mosques in certain communities -- particularly New York. Now, we must all recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of Lower Manhattan. The 9/11 attacks were a deeply traumatic event for our country. And the pain and the experience of suffering by those who lost loved ones is just unimaginable. So I understand the emotions that this issue engenders. And Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground.

But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America. And our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country and that they will not be treated differently by their government is essential to who we are. The writ of the Founders must endure.

Does anyone here disagree with this affirmation of the First Amendment or see it worthy of attack that the right has unleashed on it?
 

BoberFett

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I agree with Obama. I'm also defending other people's right to criticize him for whatever reason they choose. So don't you dare attack me as I defend their rights to freedom of speech. That would be Un-American of you.
 

senseamp

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I agree with Obama. I'm also defending other people's right to criticize him for whatever reason they chose. So don't you dare attack me as I defend their rights to freedom of speech. That would be Un-American of you.

I also have a First Amendment right to say that those who criticize Obama for defending the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion are domestic enemies of the Constitution. I am not saying they should be made to shut up, just exposed for who they are.
 

BoberFett

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I also have a First Amendment right to say that those who criticize Obama for defending the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of religion are domestic enemies of the Constitution. I am not saying they should be made to shut up, just exposed for who they are.

And I have a First Amendment right to say that you are a domestic enemy of the Constitution. I'm not saying you should be made to shut up, just exposed for what you are.

 

senseamp

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And I have a First Amendment right to say that you are a domestic enemy of the Constitution. I'm not saying you should be made to shut up, just exposed for what you are.


Right, except I am not against your freedom of speech, like you are against other's freedom of religion.
 
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