Name of Icelake successor leaks out

[Fjodor2001]

You ignore performance.

At 91W the 6700K is more than twice as fast as the 3770K at 77W.

In non AVX2/FMA3 loads the 6700K barely passes 45W. While the 3770K will sit at close to its TDP.

Show us the general CPU benchmarks where 6700K is twice as fast as 3770K.

 

[Phynaz]

So you want Intel to release one new processor every 3 years?

Then people will complain that Intel is copying AMD.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Then people will complain that Intel is copying AMD.

Cadence of Really Amazing Product, or the patented AMD CRAP (tm) product development methodology.

"Why make small improvements every year when we can make really big improvements every three years," AMD Senior Director of Market Share Management John M. Oron said in a press release.

"By doing things this way, we can promise investors a brand new innovative product every three years," Oron noted.

By implementing this CRAP methodology, AMD hopes that it can take full advantage of buzz-phrases such as "Clean Sheet Design" and the ever popular, "It Can't Get Much Worse than This" sentiment among enthusiasts.

"We'll get a really nice revenue boost in years when we drop a Transformative Unique Re-Design, or TURD, in the marketplace. This is great for investors because it means that our stock price will predictably plunge in the year following the TURD launch as the product gets a bit dry and frankly stale," Oron said with a grin, struggling to hold back laughter.

"But they can count on huge gains in the year leading up to the new products! We will become Wall Street's best stock as it can be counted on to deliver huge upside and massive downside for investors who follow the story," Oron noted.

Disclaimer: this is not actually a press release. It is meant 100% purely for comedy

 

[mysticjbyrd]

That was a good honest article. Intel needs to stop lying. I think we all understand that 2 generations per node isn't feasible anymore, and the people that don't keep up with that type of information won't care anyway.

 

[frozentundra123456]

You ignore performance.

At 91W the 6700K is more than twice as fast as the 3770K at 77W.

In non AVX2/FMA3 loads the 6700K barely passes 45W. While the 3770K will sit at close to its TDP.

Skylake twice as fast as IB? Seriously? Of course it could be in some specialized instruction set, but overall, what, 25% at most?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Show us the general CPU benchmarks where 6700K is twice as fast as 3770K.

Let me guess,

You want power consumption tested with AVX2/FMA3. But you only want performance directly tested in regular/legacy, while ignoring power consumption.

Did I miss any?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Skylake twice as fast as IB? Seriously? Of course it could be in some specialized instruction set, but overall, what, 25% at most?

Its twice as fast in something like Linpack/Prime95. And it got twice the performance/watt in regular loads. Fjodor believes that performance/watt at best didn't change since IB

 

[Burpo]

Not quite twice the performance per watt..

I7 3770s @ 65 watts
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3770S+@+3.10GHz

I7 6700t @ 35 watts
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700T+@+2.80GHz

 

[Tsavo]

Intel's new R&D office in Anchorage, Alaska is working on a project called Snowflake.

You heard it here first.

 

[Techhog]

Show us the general CPU benchmarks where 6700K is twice as fast as 3770K.

Let me guess,

You want power consumption tested with AVX2/FMA3. But you only want performance directly tested in regular/legacy, while ignoring power consumption.

Did I miss any?

Oooh, a fanboy fight! *grabs popcorn*

I don't know what this has to do with the top though.

 

[Techhog]

Not quite twice the performance per watt..

I7 3770s @ 65 watts
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3770S+@+3.10GHz

I7 6700t @ 35 watts
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-6700T+@+2.80GHz

Uh, no...

 

[ozzy702]

Let me guess,

You want power consumption tested with AVX2/FMA3. But you only want performance directly tested in regular/legacy, while ignoring power consumption.

Did I miss any?

Stupid question but is power consumption under legacy loads half of IB with Skylake with all the instruction sets enabled or do you have to disable them in the bios (I remember reading somewhere that you disabled them and saw a large power drop) to see the power savings?

The reason I ask is that most of the reviews I've read have painted the picture that skylake isn't all that energy efficient. I'm a 3770k @4.3ghz owner and am looking to upgrade sometime in the next year or two. This machine is on 24/7 so idle or close to idle power savings are important for me from a long term cost perspective. I'm curious what kind of power reduction I'd see going to skylake and if there would be any power reduction at all going to Broadwell-e.

 

[Techhog]

Stupid question but is power consumption under legacy loads half of IB with Skylake with all the instruction sets enabled or do you have to disable them in the bios (I remember reading somewhere that you disabled them and saw a large power drop) to see the power savings?

The reason I ask is that most of the reviews I've read have painted the picture that skylake isn't all that energy efficient. I'm a 3770k @4.3ghz owner and am looking to upgrade sometime in the next year or two. This machine is on 24/7 so idle or close to idle power savings are important for me from a long term cost perspective. I'm curious what kind of power reduction I'd see going to skylake and if there would be any power reduction at all going to Broadwell-e.

He's exaggerating because he's basically Intel's PR guy for this forum.

 

[Arachnotronic]

He's exaggerating because he's basically Intel's PR guy for this forum.

Pretty harsh accusation there dude. ShintaiDK isn't Intel PR.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Pretty harsh accusation there dude. ShintaiDK isn't Intel PR.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...?

 

[Arachnotronic]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...?

So to be clear, do you believe that ShintaiDK has received compensation/is receiving compensation from Intel Corporation to serve in the capacity as a public relations professional?

 

[ehume]

When you think about it, the 3-year cycle started at 45nm when the Lynnfield was modified to allow the multiplier to be unlocked -- just like current CPU's. The 32nm Westmere was released to HEDT, but not to quad core.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So to be clear, do you believe that ShintaiDK has received compensation/is receiving compensation from Intel Corporation to serve in the capacity as a public relations professional?

I'm just saying, I've never seen even extreme fanboys post as pro-intel / anti-AMD as he does. And he seems to have an endless supply of marketing slides at his disposal. Almost like he has a secretary to look them up for him.

These forums have had "viral marketers" before, and they had a similar M.O.

Edit: For example:

FX6300 have never been good, never will be. Its a fools product.

If I was posting in the Graphics sub-forum, and said that about either AMD or Nvidia products, I would get an infraction for "inflammatory language". Yet, he continues to post in that manner in the CPU forums.

Edit: On the other hand, he seems to also believe that the Core2 generation had HyperThreading, but it just wasn't enabled. On the entire CPU line, for both 65nm and 45nm generations. Which, if he were Intel PR, probably wouldn't be saying that, because Intel never, to my knowledge, ever claimed that Core2 had HT.

 

[DrMrLordX]

We would have 500W CPUs today then, lol.

That would be awesome. Not sure how I'd cool it, but it would still be sweet . . . assuming it wasn't slower than someone else's 95W CPU.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I'm just saying, I've never seen even extreme fanboys post as pro-intel / anti-AMD as he does. And he seems to have an endless supply of marketing slides at his disposal. Almost like he has a secretary to look them up for him.

There is a lot of reason to be "pro-Intel" when we are talking about CPUs. They make truly excellent products, in fact you seem to buy quite a lot of them so you should know all about how good they are.

AMD on the other hand does not make great processors for the vast majority of enthusiast desktop PC buyers right now and hasn't for years. So it should probably be more puzzling to you to see "enthusiasts" who are rabidly pro-AMD even though AMD has done a poor job serving them over the last five years or so.

Also, regarding the marketing slides, that accusation doesn't make sense to me. I follow all of product release events/marketing materials from many of the major chip companies and could probably whip them up very quickly, too. I don't work for, nor have I ever worked for, any of these companies.

These forums have had "viral marketers" before, and they had a similar M.O.

I know but ask yourself this: what reason would Intel have for viral marketers on the AnandTech Forums? The only companies that need to resort to such shady tactics (to be clear, it's only shady/distasteful when the user's affiliation is NOT disclosed. If it is disclosed, I happily welcome any representatives from our favorite product/component companies here) are those whose products suck/aren't well known.

 

[Arachnotronic]

If I was posting in the Graphics sub-forum, and said that about either AMD or Nvidia products, I would get an infraction for "inflammatory language". Yet, he continues to post in that manner in the CPU forums.

To be blunt, AMD's GPUs are waaayyyy more competitive than AMD's CPUs are. If some dude broke into my apartment and swapped out my 980 Tis with a couple of Fury X cards, I'd be pissed that some dude broke into my house and bummed out that I no longer had variable refresh since my monitors are G-Sync, but I wouldn't think to myself "ah crap, I got stuck with a couple of crappy cards!"

But if some dude came into my house and swapped out my 6700K with an FX 8350, I would actually be compelled to go to Newegg to buy a new 6700K + board...after filing a police report of course

Edit: On the other hand, he seems to also believe that the Core2 generation had HyperThreading, but it just wasn't enabled. On the entire CPU line, for both 65nm and 45nm generations. Which, if he were Intel PR, probably wouldn't be saying that, because Intel never, to my knowledge, ever claimed that Core2 had HT.

He was actually corrected by an Intel employee whose affiliation is disclosed in his sig

 

[VirtualLarry]

I know but ask yourself this: what reason would Intel have for viral marketers on the AnandTech Forums?

Well, what reason would Intel have to "pay off" Dell not to carry AMD CPUs in their products, back in the day, even when AMD probably was fab-constrained and couldn't supply the volume needed anyways.

Remember, "Only the paranoid survive"... to quote a famous Intel CEO.

Edit: For the record, I don't have any personal animosity towards ShintaiDK in any way. I respect him, he's quite knowledgeable (well, OK, maybe not the Core2 HT thing, but otherwise), and he had made efforts to help me, in my SKL overclocking and debugging. So I'm not saying that he shouldn't post or anything. Only that, I guess I seem to observe a clear bias in his posting. I guess I just wish he would post with an open mind towards AMD, and their continued survival and future potential successes. But it seems that, in his mind, he has already written off AMD as being dead and gone, even though they are still an operating concern, and still doing R&D, and releasing products. Those of us that can "see the good in AMD", can also see the negative bias in ShintaiDK's postings, regarding AMD, and it's... a bit frustrating.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Well, what reason would Intel have to "pay off" Dell not to carry AMD CPUs in their products, back in the day, even when AMD probably was fab-constrained and couldn't supply the volume needed anyways.

Remember, "Only the paranoid survive"... to quote a famous Intel CEO.

I am not familiar with what happened back then with Dell and all of that, but I do know Intel's products were being smacked around silly by AMD's.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-AMD (only) or anti-Intel (although I am against their anti-competitive tactics). Intel's products are excellent performers, and AMD's less so, possibly. But just because that's the current competitive landscape, doesn't mean that will never change. AMD has a real chance at some success coming up, now that GF has a decent, modern, process to fab their chips with, and they've got a new architecture coming down the pipeline real quick now (Zen).

I'm more than willing to grab a Zen CPU when they come out, if they have at least Sandy Bridge performance and performance/watt, if they have a reasonable price for an 8-core. ($300-400, maybe?)

Though, I only paid $100 or perhaps $140 each for my two 1045T Thuban CPUs.

I was even thinking of getting some new motherboards, and dredging them out of the mothballs, and running them instead of my SKL G4400s. Dual-cores, no matter how much you OC them (well, within physical limits), still don't quite compare to a true Hex-core CPU.

The single-threaded speeds I get from my SKL G4400 when OCed past 4.4Ghz, are pretty nice, especially when coupled with a PCI-E 3.0 x4 M.2 SSD.

But, no AVX/AVX2, no HT, makes these CPUs still just a little ... dull?

If Intel ever really heeded the market, and came out with a true hex-core (or larger core count) CPU on their mainstream platform, I would probably buy it (price within reason) as soon as it came out. But for some reason, they seem stuck on quad-cores.

(And of course, ShintaiDK defends that decision, as if it were gospel, ignoring the fact that Intel initially released their Core2Quad CPUs, before "the software was ready" too. In fact, the existence of those quad-cores, whether they be MCM'ed or native (AMD's solution), is a large part of why we even have game engines that can take advantage of quad-cores today.)

Edit: In an attempt to get this thread back on-topic (Icelake and successor), when will we be seeing more than four cores on Intel's biggest mainstream consumer CPUs? Cannonlake? Icelake? Whatever comes next?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Also, regarding Intel's new Tick, Tock, Tock cadence. Isn't the "new release every year", largely driven by PC OEM demands, to have new models for every back-to-school and Holiday season?

Just like AMD's and NVidia's GPU re-brands for OEMs. Even when they didn't have new models on 28nm node, to release... they "did" for OEMs.