Nancy Pelosi Elected Minority Leader

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Hayabusa Rider

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I don't know why this would be much of a surprise, she was one of the most powerful and effective speakers in US history, it only stands to reason that she will be an effective minority leader.

She was one of the most polarizing. She'll be effective at promoting a higher degree of gridlock, but then I'm OK with that.
 

trenchfoot

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In reference to the Rovian nature of the repub agenda where they are in permanent campaign mode, daily spewing all manner of lies and fabricated propaganda against the Dems, their theme song should be "Paint it Black" by the Stones.

If it weren't for the repub's Ministry of Propaganda tarring Nancy in black, her record as Speaker would clearly show her as being effective at her primary function and a much more favorable public image of her would be had.

On a personal note, I don't particularly care for her persona, but that doesn't mean I should ignore or think less of her many accomplishments as Speaker.

As for the fact that there are a whole lot less blue dogs now, well, the ones that lost were for the most part DINO's anyway, especially when it came down to siding with the middle class/poor or Big Business/very rich in areas that most mattered to the Dems, so no loss there....none at all.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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In reference to the Rovian nature of the repub agenda where they are in permanent campaign mode, daily spewing all manner of lies and fabricated propaganda against the Dems, their theme song should be "Paint it Black" by the Stones.

If it weren't for the repub's Ministry of Propaganda tarring Nancy in black, her record as Speaker would clearly show her as being effective at her primary function and a much more favorable public image of her would be had.

On a personal note, I don't particularly care for her persona, but that doesn't mean I should ignore or think less of her many accomplishments as Speaker.

As for the fact that there are a whole lot less blue dogs now, well, the ones that lost were for the most part DINO's anyway, especially when it came down to siding with the middle class/poor or Big Business/very rich in areas that most mattered to the Dems, so no loss there....none at all.

I don't want to forget to thank both the Reps and the Dems for what you brought about this last election. Maybe we'll have some peace and quiet now that the loonies are battling each other on more even footing.
 

fskimospy

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Ah yes, the old anti-intellectualism bullshit. I have two bachelors degrees and three masters degrees from top 20 universities because I hate intellect and learning Brilliant!


Really? You must not be able to hear yourself talk, perhaps a hearing check is in order?



I specifically said in my post that if the discussion is around procedures, rules or facts (which would cover the "mechanics of how it was painted") then the opinion of someone who has studied those things could have more validity. Since this discussion is not, having studied for 3, 6 or 30 years is irrelevant.


Wrong and wrong again. I do know what the role is, and you're missing the point about her role. You seem fixated on whether she was a failure in terms of achieving things -- that's completely besides the point. She's been very effectively painted as the face of failure and as the face of all that is bad with politics, as indicated by her popularity and the fact that she was featured very effectively all over the country in the past election to get out the vote. Regardless of whether she was actually effective or not in her position, politically speaking, nationally she's seen as a failure among both independents and conservatives. Her actual effectiveness as the speaker is a completely different discussion/analysis, and one where your background might be beneficial.

You can call that painting beautiful all you want, but to the public at large, it's damned ugly :biggrin:

Go back and read my very first post in this thread, in fact it was the one that you responded to. Then slap yourself.
 

Painman

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So, the GOP offers up the Man with the Spraycan Tan, the most ridiculous idiot imaginable (besides Sarah Palin), but Nancy Pelosi is the object of derision?

The Dems double down on something, for once in their life. Good for them.

If the Dems know what's good for them over the next 2 years, they'll rub the GOP's nose in its own poo every day as it (predictably) fails to govern. They've already admitted that there's no plan to govern.

I precict that microwave popcorn will remain pretty cheap.
 

EagleKeeper

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In order to govern; one must have the concensus off all three areas within Congress and the WH.

Obama has stated that he needs to come off he high horse; but on the other hand he states in is not the message, but the inability to get the message out.

The Senate will have to work with each other and no longer can the Dems take the attitude that they can force things through by shear numbers.

The House has to propose decent legislation that will be workable within the Senate and acceptable by Obama.

Pelosi as minority leader has to work with the Dems to produce something that can come out of the House that will be acceptable tot heir counterparts and also be usable for the Senate.

From the House side, for both parties, it is a rough undertaking.

When Pelosi was Speaker, she did not have such constraints - she pushed through the Dem agenda and expected the Senate to tweak/clean it up as needed.
 

spidey07

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And by pushing that agenda the vast majority of the country didn't want she earned the abysmal approval numbers along with democrats. And instead of listening to The People, they went ahead and said she still represents the leadership of the party.

Unbelievable. It's almost like they didn't get the message on November 2. Or they simply aren't listening. I also agree that keeping her minority leader is the best thing dems could have done to push favor to republicans for the next two years and into 2012. It's really amazing they just aren't listening, or they just don't get it, or more likely, the leftist agenda is more important than the future and state of the nation.
 

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The Dem leadership has stated that them message is still sound - it is the transmission mechanism that had static.

So they do not need to fix the message, just the transmission frequency.
 

spidey07

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The Dem leadership has stated that them message is still sound - it is the transmission mechanism that had static.

So they do not need to fix the message, just the transmission frequency.

That's been Obama's positions as well. It truly is unbelievable. The message is fine, just not communicating it well enough. It couldn't possibly be that Americans don't want what you're selling.
 

IBMer

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Unbelievable. It's almost like they didn't get the message on November 2. Or they simply aren't listening. I also agree that keeping her minority leader is the best thing dems could have done to push favor to republicans for the next two years and into 2012. It's really amazing they just aren't listening, or they just don't get it, or more likely, the leftist agenda is more important than the future and state of the nation.

You mean kind of like Boehner pushing republicans to vote for the TARP, but the Teaparty being against bailouts, yet he is still being elected Speaker of the House. Funny how they keep ignoring that.
 

her209

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And by pushing that agenda the vast majority of the country didn't want she earned the abysmal approval numbers along with democrats. And instead of listening to The People, they went ahead and said she still represents the leadership of the party.

Unbelievable. It's almost like they didn't get the message on November 2. Or they simply aren't listening. I also agree that keeping her minority leader is the best thing dems could have done to push favor to republicans for the next two years and into 2012. It's really amazing they just aren't listening, or they just don't get it, or more likely, the leftist agenda is more important than the future and state of the nation.
She and the Dems in Congress had higher approval rating than the John Boehner and the Reps.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/143885/Pelosi-Favorable-Rating-Speaker-Drops-New-Low.aspx



http://www.gallup.com/poll/144419/Congressional-Approval-Elections.aspx
 

spidey07

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I don't think you know how to read that graph. 56&#37; unfavorable of Pelosi vs 31% for Boehner. That's almost 2-1. It's like the leftists live in their own reality that doesn't exist in the the real world.
 

her209

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I don't think you know how to read that graph. 56&#37; unfavorable of Pelosi vs 31% for Boehner. That's almost 2-1. It's like the leftists live in their own reality that doesn't exist in the the real world.
And yet she still has a higher favorable rating than Johnny boy.
 
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And yet she still has a higher favorable rating than Johnny boy.
A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23&#37; of traffic accidents are alcohol related.

This means that the remaining 77% are caused by stupids who just drink water, coffee, carbonated drinks, juices, energy drinks, and junk like that.

Therefore, beware of those who do not drink alcohol. They cause three times as many accidents.
 

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Same lady who racked up 100k on taxpayer money for flight drinks over two years in her flights coast to coast. This on top of 2mil to fly her ass back and forth for those two years.

She's for herself first, always has been. She stomps on the will of the poeple she's suppose to represent in order to stay on the pedestal she has created for herself. If she cared about the Dems she would have stood down after realizing how bad she is for the parties future.

Same dumb bitch who made a mockery of MLK's fight for civil rights by putting herself on the same level.

Yes, she is exactly what's wrong with politics in the country.
 

fskimospy

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Same lady who racked up 100k on taxpayer money for flight drinks over two years in her flights coast to coast. This on top of 2mil to fly her ass back and forth for those two years.

She's for herself first, always has been. She stomps on the will of the poeple she's suppose to represent in order to stay on the pedestal she has created for herself. If she cared about the Dems she would have stood down after realizing how bad she is for the parties future.

Same dumb bitch who made a mockery of MLK's fight for civil rights by putting herself on the same level.

Yes, she is exactly what's wrong with politics in the country.

You realize that the requirements for Nancy Pelosi's travel were put into place by President Bush after September 11th, right?

If you get your information from something that starts with "RE:RE:RE:RE:OMG CHECK THIS OUT!!!", it's probably wrong.
 

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They still just don't get it. In the dems mind it is still "we didn't communicate the message well enough". Putting one of the most despised representatives in the nation as your leader in the house is a terrible idea and will further enshrine her face and radical left progressive ideology as what the party stands for.

It couldn't possibly be that The People completely reject progressive thinking, no that couldn't be it at all. I'm happy for this though, it totally solidifies the democrat party is completely ignoring the will of The People and stands zero chance in 2012.

THIS. It can't be that a majority of America doesn't agree with our ideas. It must be that we haven't been smarmy and condescending enough to them. After all there was that study that said liberals have higher IQs, so it must be that you're all too stupid to want unconstitutional health-care rammed down your throat, trillions in debt from ineffective bailouts, and a healthy 27% real unemployment rate.

Shit like this is what drove me away from the democratic party. Instead of being somewhat balanced and responsibly progressive in small steps and only as needed, they try and ram shit down peoples' throats and then act like if you don't agree with them then you must be stupid or uneducated, or racist.
 
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You realize that the requirements for Nancy Pelosi's travel were put into place by President Bush after September 11th, right?
Meanwhile Boehner will continue to fly back and forth to his district on commercial aircraft. The 'good ol' days of $100,000 bar tabs are over.
 

fskimospy

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Meanwhile Boehner will continue to fly back and forth to his district on commercial aircraft. The 'good ol' days of $100,000 bar tabs are over.

Okay, that's good for him. My point was that Pelosi's air accommodations were similar to her predecessor (except that she needed a plane with longer range to reach CA), and that those accommodations came from President Bush. If you don't like it, that's fine. It's not unique to her though.
 
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