Originally posted by: B00ne
NASCAR is pathetic - the drivers cant even drive in rain - what that about, uuuh boy rain now I have to have skill - nah lets rather break off the race and declare the current leader winner. Well what can u expect from 50's technology cars driving in circles...
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i dont like it, but i respect the drivers. Hell, at least they pass, unlike WRC or any indy/F1 racing. Its alot harder to drive when there is a car 6 inches away from you on either side.
<cough> Bullsh1t!</cough>Originally posted by: Sukhoi
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
I am so sick of all the anti Nascar crap. If you don't like it don't watch it and quit your bitching.
Baseball and Golf are boring as hell to watch too but I don't see threads with people complaining about them every single day.
Baseball is a real sport.
Actually the restrictor plates are used to keep the speeds down at the superspeedways for safety purposes, not to equalize the cars. It does have the nasty side effect of "equalizing" them though.Originally posted by: HokieESM
Oh... and one more thing: if they really want to make this series interesting--they need to let the engineers have their way with the cars. Give some simple rules--weight minimum, engine displacement, tire size--and let them go at it. No silly restrictor plates to "equalize" cars, no aerodynamic tests to make sure that brand ___ doesn't get blown off the track..... just let the best team win. I'd LOVE to see that..... I thought we Americans prided ourselves on our "innovation"... so let us "innovate".
A bit? At 220mph the Porsche was probably lugging around an additional 1200kg of weight just from downforce.Originally posted by: NightTrain
Personally I would like to see the drive in the rain and they actually tested some rain tires in the last year or so.
As far as the "50's technology"...I'm often reminded of an article that appeared in Road and Track in the late 80's. This was back when Tim Richmond was still alive and driving the Folgers Monte Carlo. The mag thought it would be a good idea to have a high speed shootout between the MC and Al Holbert's (also now deceased) Lemans Porsche Prototype.
1st run Richmond - Everyone gathered and heard the throaty rumble of the big V8 while it was still miles away. As it flashed by, the speed registered 225mph "Woooo that's fast" is overheard from one of the Holbert faithful even before the numbers are up.
1st run Holbert - 208mph
A couple more runs then a break for lunch. Assumably the NASCAR boys chow down on PBR and moonpies while the snobs in the Porsche camp have a catered brunch
As the afternoon session begins, the rednecks in Richmond's pit fiddle with a little duct...er racer's tape while the surgeons in the Holbert camp (dressed in lab coats of course drag the Lemans tray and tail out of the hauler.
final run Richmond - 240mph
final run Holbert - 224mph (less than Richmond's first run)
Holbert's 962 was hampered a bit by downforce but the nose of the Monte Carlo is like a brick wall and pushing that through the wind couldn't have been easy
You mean like in Lemans where Audi's R8 completely dominated last year? Or perhaps F1 where Ferrari completely dominated last year? Or maybe even WRC where Peugeot dominated last year...Originally posted by: HokieESM
Oh... and one more thing: if they really want to make this series interesting--they need to let the engineers have their way with the cars. Give some simple rules--weight minimum, engine displacement, tire size--and let them go at it. No silly restrictor plates to "equalize" cars, no aerodynamic tests to make sure that brand ___ doesn't get blown off the track..... just let the best team win. I'd LOVE to see that..... I thought we Americans prided ourselves on our "innovation"... so let us "innovate".
Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: Stifko
This is a sport for White ppl, you never see Afro_Americans in the crowds.
A bunch of ignorant crackers watch it, if ya ask me.
Talk about racist. Naaa Stifko isn't racist
BTW I am a HUGE Nascar fan, ...
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"im gonna have a hell of a bigger chance of being able to drive nascar around in circles than doing powerslides in a WRC car. The skill level involved with nascar is NOWHERE NEAR GT/GTS or WRC racing. There is no shifting, no real conrnering, no shickanes (spelling) etc. "
Doing powerslides is no big deal. Doing powerslides better than someone else is.
Going around a corner in NASCAR at speed is a very big deal, even by yourself. With 42 other people doing it there is no possibility that you could do it.
Is that your expert opinion?Originally posted by: halik
im gonna have a hell of a bigger chance of being able to drive nascar around in circles than doing powerslides in a WRC car. The skill level involved with nascar is NOWHERE NEAR GT/GTS or WRC racing. There is no shifting, no real conrnering, no shickanes (spelling) etc.
Not to mention the road courses. As I pointed out in another thread, these guys have some very busy feet on that kind of course.....watch one of those races and pay attention if they show a "driver foot cam"...it's pretty impressive. They can heel-toe.....left foot brake.....all that good stuff. You can watch them tap the brake to get the car to point and such....just like a rally driver.Originally posted by: bunker
Is that your expert opinion?Originally posted by: halik
im gonna have a hell of a bigger chance of being able to drive nascar around in circles than doing powerslides in a WRC car. The skill level involved with nascar is NOWHERE NEAR GT/GTS or WRC racing. There is no shifting, no real conrnering, no shickanes (spelling) etc.
People like you don't know squat about NASCAR. There are only a few tracks where there is no shifting. On many of the shorter tracks the speeds don't get over 120-130 and they are constantly shifting.
Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Oh... and one more thing: if they really want to make this series interesting--they need to let the engineers have their way with the cars. Give some simple rules--weight minimum, engine displacement, tire size--and let them go at it. No silly restrictor plates to "equalize" cars, no aerodynamic tests to make sure that brand ___ doesn't get blown off the track..... just let the best team win. I'd LOVE to see that..... I thought we Americans prided ourselves on our "innovation"... so let us "innovate". "
Since this seems to be a post that isn't just ignorant bashing I thought I'd make a comment. In many ways a racing series like NASCAR which has very restrictive rules, requires more imagination,innovation, engineering and mechanical skill, than less restrictive racing series like F1. In both series the key to success is gaining an advantage over your competitiors. The more restrictive the rules are the more difficult it is to find ways to gain that advantage.
NASCAR, like all sports, is much more involved than what a casual viewer might notice. Take football as an example, a casual observer might see a running back break free for a 20 yard gain, but it isn't until the replay and with the anouncers help, that the fact that the reason the running back was able to do it was because a right guard didn't just smash forward as might be expected, but instead dropped back, ran to the left side of the center, and then turned upfield and blocked for the running back. NASCAR is chock full of the same kind of subtle stuff, both on and off the track.
Originally posted by: przero
NightTrain - You remember Tim Richmond? He and Davey Allison were going to be great champions. Lost'em both way to soon. the rain tires are to be used on the road courses. When they first designed Dale Earnhardt (3) was the only driver to test them on an oval in a 'Cup car.
HokieESM - Do your research ! the restrictor plates are to slow the cars down. At Talladega and Daytona they were going to fast to race with fans in the stands. Bobby Allison almost got in the stands airborne at 225 mph. Hence the plates. Not to equalize the series.
Pepsi90919 - How many passes for the lead in F! last year. 20 maybe, that did not involve the leader pitting? They had that many in the fall reace at Talladega! You may enjoy it more ,but it isn't superior.