Nascar Racing 2003 FREE! or w/ Microsoft SideWinder FF Wheel $22 AR shipped free

[Banana]

ARRRGH--missed out on the FAR! Still, so tempted to shell out the bucks . . .

 

[gplracer]

Salvador - The best racing game is Grand Prix Legends which is made by the same company.

Nascar is real popular here in the South in the United States. I guess people like it because one can see the entire race from their seat. I watch most of my races on tv so CART or Formula One is the best. F1 has the highest level of technology. Teams of two cars spend around 1 billion per year on everything. Michael Shumaker is the highest paid athlete in the world too making either 60 or 80 million a year. F1 has the largest fan base too because it is raced on every continent. Nascar is just here in the U.S. As for drivers switching to Nascar, if you want to race in the U.S. the most popular and lucrative from of racing is Nascar. Although it is no where near F1 in world wide popularity. I personally think Nascar is one of the most dangerous forms of racing too. More drivers died in the last 4 years racing Nascar than they did doing F1. It is the concrete wall factor.

I do want to say that Nascar drivers are skilled at what they do just like drivers in any other sport. I do not think we can really say that drivers of one type of racing are more skilled than drivers in another type of racing. Both Nascar and F1 are the top of their types of racing.

Americas Team-----
I hate to take away from the deal, but I feel a response is necessary.

F1 drivers obviously have skill, but not enough to drive a Nascar race car. F1 cars hardly ever race close to each other for more than a few seconds, let alone bump each other. In fact an F1 car would be out of a race for good if it hit another car at 180+ mph. You nevr see a photo finish in F1 the 2nd place car is way too far behind. There are more passes in one Nascar race than almost an entire F1 season. A few years ago Jeff Gordon stated, "I thought I could do CART, but then I saw a pass that Alex Zanardi did and I said no way!"

Other points:
It take twice as many people in the pit in F1 to accomplish the same thing in Nascar yet yet there pit times are only 2 seconds shorter. Untrue the rules are just different
You have to qualify (there are rare exceptions) to race in a Nascar event. In F1 nobody is left out. What are you smoking? You have to qualify too but it is only open to the team drivers.
While you may not have the same drivetrain as a Nascar, you can own and drive a silimar style car. F1 No way. So you are saing that I can drive a car that has lights that are painted on? There is nothing stock about a stock car any longer. Twenty years ago that might have been true
Nascar drivers take their hand of the wheel to shift. True but they do more than turn left. They are also in better shape because of the G load put on their body. Some turns and braking zones put over 3 G's on the human body. Some of the Nascar drivers look fat!
ALL MOTORSPORTS REPLY ON SPONSORS. Sponsors = Commerialism
Formula One claims big television numbers worldwide, but I've noticed at numerous races that the stands are not full. And F1 only has around 17 races a year. This does not compute. Are you sure you are talking about F1? Besides television is where the money is at. F1 is televised all over the world. Nascar is mostly in the United States.
NASCAR Winston Cup racing clearly wins when it comes to putting the most people in the seats. They have around 35 races per year. I honestly do not know, but F1 has more people watching when you figure in the television rights.
F1 races in more countries.
F1 drivers are not as fan accessible I do not know what you base this on. I have never met a Nascar driver

Don't get me wrong. I live in Georgia and Nascar racing is king here. It is not my choice but everyone likes different things. I just feel your facts were not entirely correct. Sorry if I offend you that was not my intent.

 

[R4Z0R]

Originally posted by: Salvador

I don't think that there is one guy in NASCAR that can climb into an open wheel car and be competitive.


Anyway.. I said my peace. For those of you that like NASCAR, more power to you. I for one can't stand to even listen to those guys talk. They sound like they have a mouth full of Sh*t.

Sal

NASCAR drivers that can't drive open wheel cars?? Why does is seem that nowadays more and more open wheel drivers are going to NASCAR? Winning in NASCAR is more based on driving ability than who has the best equipment/ most money to spend like in CART/F1.

Also, last time I checked Tony Stewart, current NASCAR WC Champion is still the overall lap record holder in the IRL and hasn't raced there since 1998. Or are you gonna get technical and say that's not F1/CART? Still open wheel.

 

[gplracer]

IRL is not CART or F1. It is oval open wheel racing which is totally different than road courses. Although some of the CART races are held on ovals. While we are on that subject let me state that Tony George ruined open wheel racing in the U.S.

Tony Stewart is a great oval racer. Both Nascar and the IRL are types of oval racing.

 

[Salvador]

Also, last time I checked Tony Stewart, current NASCAR WC Champion is still the overall lap record holder in the IRL and hasn't raced there since 1998. Or are you gonna get technical and say that's not F1/CART? Still open wheel.

Well.. I know for a fact that this fact is wrong. Tony Stewart got a seat in one of Chip Ganassi's cars for the 2000 Indy 500 when Juan Montoya won the race. What was funny was that the CART boys took something like the first 5 spots and then I think (not a fact), Tony Stewart came in 6th or 7th. He was the top finishing NASCAR guy in the race. Then again, this was an oval. Who knows how Tony Stewart would've done if he wasn't making all left turns.

I never said that NASCAR guys CAN'T run open wheel. It's just that a lot of them probably don't have the skills or conditioning to compete with those guys. I'm not talking about ovals either. I'm talking about road courses and street courses.

Also, the F1 guys may not compete wheel to wheel for any sustained length of time because of the nature of road and street courses, but what about open wheel oval races? I would think that it would take more nerve to run wheel to wheel at 220+ mph in a 1,500 lb open wheel car than it would to run wheel to wheel in a car that weighs at least 3 times as much, is fully enclosed and runs about 50 mph slower.

Tony George is a BIG AHole! He did ruin open wheel racing for sure in the US. His IRL was getting their A*sses kicked by CART and then I think Tony George pulled some underhanded things by going after sponsors instead of the owners and drivers. I mean, besides splitting CART and IRL in '95, he went after Marlboro and team Penske and brought them back to the IRL. Penske was faced with either going back to the IRL or losing his sponsorship with Marlboro. Finding sponsorship in open wheel racing is very tough these days, so guess what he chose? There are a lot of other things that Tony George did to screw things up that I'm not going to go into now.

Heh.. One of the funny things about the IRL is that Mario Andretti doesn't support it. He wouldn't go to a race even though his son Michael defected to the IRL and is now the owner of Team Green/Andretti. The ONLY race Mario would attend this year in the IRL was the Indy 500. You know.. I was just watching the Milwaukee CART race tonight and guess who was there? Mario Andretti. He's still a huge CART supporter and hates the IRL. I personally think that IRL sucks other than the Indy 500 and the only thing that has kept me watching it the last couple of years is having the CART guys go over and kick butt.

Anyway.. I'm really getting off subject here.

I know that this is probably a good game. I personally own Grand Prix Legends and Viper Racing. They are all made by the same company and have similar game play and car physics (I don't know what the gaming term is for this). I just won't support NASCAR and I won't support the IRL.

I know that all of racing depends on commercialism, but NASCAR is just way overblown commercially. Do you notice a difference between watching a regular NFL football game and the Superbowl? That's how I would characterize the difference. Just WAY too much advertising and not enough substance.

For those of you that don't know, F1 is as big or bigger in the world (outside the US) than NASCAR is in the US. NASCAR is like American football and F1 is like Soccer. And Schumacher is the highest paid athlete in the world.

Blah.. Blah.. Blah..

Very sorry for hijacking this thread.

Sal

 

[Elvis2]

Great game, unbelieveable price.

Papy Nascar sims are the ONLY reason I upgrade every year. Thanks for the heads up. I ordered a "backup" copy lest my CD rom decides to chomp one up

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Get your Papyrus sims while you still can ...

They're (Papyrus) abandoning the PC for the richer waters of the console market.

 

[Elvis2]

They're (Papyrus) abandoning the PC for the richer waters of the console market.

Yeah

 

[Valvoline6]

I hate when closed minded morons like Salvadore have to come into a hot deals thread and express their ignorant opinions. I wouldn't think of going into a hot deals thread for an F1 game to thrash the sport. Tells you something about the person that's for sure.. :disgust:

 

[Salvador]

I hate when closed minded morons like Salvadore have to come into a hot deals thread and express their ignorant opinions. I wouldn't think of going into a hot deals thread for an F1 game to thrash the sport. Tells you something about the person that's for sure..

Nice spelling Mr Petty. What sport would that be? Wake up.. It's not about the racing or the cars any more. The sponsorship has whored NASCAR into something entirely different. I wouldn't be surprised to see a WWF/Monster truck/NASCAR triple bill one of these days.

Another thing that bugs me about NASCAR is that racing is nice because a lot of what is learned on the track goes into improving our street cars. That's why I won't buy American cars. They are way behind in technology. Why does NASCAR spend millions of dollars further developing a carburetor? Nothing uses it any more except for lawn mowers.. Oh.. I'm sorry. NASCAR fans are usually into lawn mower racing as well.

And you should be one to talk about narrow mindedness. My dad has a Z06 Corvette and I can't stand to hang out on the Z06 or Corvette forum. If it's not a Corvette or a truck, it's sh*t. At least the foreign car owners give the Z06 respect. It is a nice and FAST car, but it sure aint rocket science to get 405 hp at the crank out of a 5.7 liter motor.

Sal

 

[Jejunum]

you guys are all wrong
nascar sucks, f1 sucks

RALLY is where its at!

 

[HillbillyHab]

Bump for a good deal. Take another Xanax Sal.

 

[RandySavage]

salvador, I agree with you on F1 and cart... nascar does suck...

There are quite a few nascar drivers that can race open wheel.... robby gordon (should have won indy 2 years ago) and tony stewart.... as well as christian fittipaldi (if he hadn't got his lunch eaten by the nascar boys already)... I believe Jeff Gordon also possesses the needed skill, as Frank Williams considered him at one time to be the only american driver he would let drive in F1. But, the open wheel hopefuls are few and far between in nascar.... this can be proven by the fact that when nascar visits sears point and watkins glen, they have to get every crappy road driver in the world to fill in for them.

But, there have been many failed attempts by open wheel guys to get going in nascar... tony stewart is about the only successful one.

and yes, tony george ruined open wheel racing... he is the devil... and his pansy series, the IRL, totally sucks. IRL honestly had the best racing of any series that I have ever seen, last season... but with the entrance of toyota and honda, the series will not see as close of victories (which was its only redeemable feature).

Truthfully, F1 sucks too... basically everyone has to bet on how much schumie will win by... ok, it is cool to watch the best driver in history compete... but even that isn't all that great after a while. F1 has zero competition and the races are decided by margins of victory in excess of 20 seconds... that is just boring.

I love cart, but they have got to get some of the races televised... cbs has picked up a few, but they need more if they are going to ride out the storm.... basically, they are the new legitimized stepping stone for F1, which is totally cool... except their top speed is faster :-0, but not G-loading...

 

[zephyrprime]

you guys are all wrong
nascar sucks, f1 sucks

RALLY is where its at!

Dude, grow up. Your opinion is irrelevant. This is a hot deal not off topic.

 

[Salvador]

Hey.. How timely is this? I just saw something on Speed about Montoya and Gordon swapping cars on June 11th at noon. I think it's called trading paint. I hope you guys all have the Speed channel.

BTW.. I got to meet Christian Fittipaldi back in '97. Great guy, but I don't think he's the most talented of the open wheel drivers.

Sal

 

[Banana]

Originally posted by: Salvador
Yes. There are an awful lot of stupid people. I hate what NASCAR has done to my Speedvision. Every time I turn the thing on now they have a bunch of hicks sitting around chawing it up. There's one guy with really foofoo hair that claims to have a wife and family, but he's gayer than a $3 bill. I don't know his name off hand. I think his family must be a cover. I highly doubt that the good ole' boys would accept a gay driver.

Sal

You insinuate that NASCAR is bigoted, yet you are guilty of the same with your derogatory comments about Southerners. You also sound like a homophobe with your comment above. Is the growing popularity of NASCAR so threatening to you that you have to take such cheap shots? Some of your comments comparing open-wheel vs. stock car racing may even be valid, but I find it hard to take them seriously in light of your bias.

Last weekend, we met several drivers and visited a few of the teams' garages, which are open to the public. We have been to a couple of races, which were incredible experiences. It is well-known that NASCAR, in order to succeed in the marketplace, has made the extra effort to reach out to fans, for which I am glad.

Yes, I am a NASCAR fan, and I love the Superbowl too.

 

[ww4397]

Mod(s), please lock this thread! The deal is dead!

 

[Elvis2]

Mod(s), please lock this thread! The deal is dead!

Amen brotha....