Nashville church shooter wanted to kill a minimum of 10 white churchgoers.

[cytg111]

I see it as the small picture. Trump is a momentary knee jerk to the underlying issues that led to his victory, and some Democrats are stubbornly and arrogantly unwilling to admit that their actions contributed to it.

I dont think you have to worry about anyone ever ignoring those issues and that segment ever again! That being said, repurposing the Fox News cult requires some Yuuuge deprogramming skills.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Protecting the ACA was and remains a rallying cry for the left, and the fact that it resonates with some Trump voters is one way to erode his base.

Sure, but that's not really what I was saying. You have to ask why people in this country fought so hard against it, and enough that they elected the party who vowed to repeal it from day 1.

I dont see too many Trumpers switching sides here, but since it was 100k across 3 state win in the EC, it won't take an enormous swing to win back the POTUS.

The answer to this is propaganda, of course. And funny enough in a thread started by a propoganda laden fellow american

But we are. The Slow threads remind me of the OK Corral gunfight scene from the movie Tombstone. The cowboys are cornered. They’ve been in control so long they don’t like the tables turned, but they also know they can’t win. Then Val Kilmer gives a condescending wink that triggers one of the cowboys to draw and then the situation escalates out of control.

You know full well I was referring to the alt-right dragging the rest of the conservatives with them, not this forum specifically. Metaphor still works though!

 

[pmv]

It doesn't fit the narrative of the MSM, so it won't be talked about. If this was another Dylann Roof, it would be on 24/7.

This is why a lot of people, especially a lot of whites don't trust the media--they feel that they give minorities a pass-like O.J. Simpson. How he got off in October 1995 still is in the minds of a lot of Americans.

Mostly it's that he was very wealthy, surely? I reckon there may be a strange sociological quirk in that if you are a really rich black guy then the racism of the police and the wider society that hurts poor black people can actually work in your favour. Very occasionally, anyway. Someone's got to get the benefit of a backlash, and it's not at all surprising when it happens that the beneficiary of it would be a rich man. I'm sure lots of poor black guys have since gotten the crappy end of the stick in order to make up for it - and then some - so don't worry, white people are still 'winning'. It's just justice and hope for a decent future that is losing.

 

[pmv]

Protecting the ACA was and remains a rallying cry for the left, and the fact that it resonates with some Trump voters is one way to erode his base.

But we are. The Slow threads remind me of the OK Corral gunfight scene from the movie Tombstone. The cowboys are cornered. They’ve been in control so long they don’t like the tables turned, but they also know they can’t win. Then Val Kilmer gives a condescending wink that triggers one of the cowboys to draw and then the situation escalates out of control.
I see it as the small picture. Trump is a momentary knee jerk to the underlying issues that led to his victory, and some Democrats are stubbornly and arrogantly unwilling to admit that their actions contributed to it.

I tend to agree with this. Trump has been coming for a long time. And the triangulators and third-way merchants have been part of the prelude.

Though I am full of uncertainty as to what to do now. How do you implacably oppose while simultaneously trying to change the context of the argument?

 

[HomerJS]

It doesn't fit the narrative of the MSM, so it won't be talked about. If this was another Dylann Roof, it would be on 24/7.

This is why a lot of people, especially a lot of whites don't trust the media--they feel that they give minorities a pass-like O.J. Simpson. How he got off in October 1995 still is in the minds of a lot of Americans.

Yes because a well to do black man gets over on the criminal justice system once every 25 years justifies white people shaking in their boots. I guess in your mind the countless of innocent black men killed by police who do no jail time means nothing to you.

Are you fucking kidding me??

 

[GettyRoad]

Mostly it's that he was very wealthy, surely? I reckon there may be a strange sociological quirk in that if you are a really rich black guy then the racism of the police and the wider society that hurts poor black people can actually work in your favour. Very occasionally, anyway. Someone's got to get the benefit of a backlash, and it's not at all surprising when it happens that the beneficiary of it would be a rich man. I'm sure lots of poor black guys have since gotten the crappy end of the stick in order to make up for it - and then some - so don't worry, white people are still 'winning'. It's just justice and hope for a decent future that is losing.

Everyone knows of racial bias in the criminal justice system---it doesn't have to be repeated over and over again.

What I am saying is that racial narratives fit political ideologies in the media.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The answer I typically see from conservatives is “Stop being a pussy, depression and anxiety do not really exist. Grab them boot straps”. Besides the FYGM mentality a reoccurring theme from conservatives is “I was poor from a broken family and turned out fine!” or “I have never seen a black person discriminated against!” and all of their views are from an extremely narrow perspective. They are unable to comprehend seeing things from other peoples perspective, only their own.


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Sure but you also hear things like "that dirty homeless person needs to get a fucking job" or "that looser junkie needs to just quit the drugs". Well, we can help the conservative get their wish while spending less on the problem than we do now.

I think we could change our message from "you conservatives have a FYGM mentality" or "you are too stupid to understand that we benefit from helping people". Instead of acting like we can convince conservatives as long as we condescendingly shit on them hard enough, maybe we can make a case for the fiscally conservative benefits.

 

[Jhhnn]

That’s already happened. Quite a few moderate Democrats flipped Congressional districts by talking about protecting health care and coverage for things like pre-existing conditions.

The problem I see is that people like @SlowSpyder affirm liberals worst confirmation biases about conservatives, and they then project those biases on anyone who disagrees with them.

Hard to communicate with and connect to an audience you’ve dismissed and demonized.

It's even harder to communicate with & connect to an audience that's already demonized you. What they believe about Libs is nearly all wrong, pounded into their heads by decades of GOP agitprop & disinformation. Every time they click on Fox News or any number of others just massages those emotional erroneous zones in pleasing & reinforcing ways. Talk radio is even worse.

They have no idea how thoroughly manipulated they've been for decades. Them voting for Trump is ample evidence of that being true.

 

[Paladin3]

That doesn’t work, for example take the fact that for every 1 dollar invested into planned parenthood saves between 5 and 6 dollars of public money that is paid towards unplanned pregnancies (medical, welfare and a whole slew of stuff).


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I agree with your comment, but what did I say that won't work? There is a huge difference between funding programs like Planned Parenthood and legislating morality by tossing folks in prison for getting abortions. And if someone is a self-supporting citizen then let them have all the babies they want and can afford.