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Lifer
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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Tabb
I've never had any spys follow from home to school. I never had any problems with the Patriot Act (not that I endorse it). I think Dave and the rest are just paranoid.

It never occurs to you, that our criminal justice system, judical review and openess is set up to protect innocent citizens from abuses or just plain mistakes by lazy big government officials, you know like the buddist monk tourist incarserated for 3 years for taking photos of landmarks in NYC before FINALLY being let go to his family and children with no charges filed?

Link? Because I notice you said Citizens.
 
Aug 14, 2001
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Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
It seems like every day, Americans are losing more and more of the freedom they hold dear. IMHO, America is slowly becoming a police state. Eventually, America may become like the totalitarian state envisioned by Orwell.

What do you guys think?

"America is slowly becoming a police state. "

Slowly??? You need to get out more, no wait, better not do that, you'll be thrown in Jail for eating a Candy Bar and labeled as a Terrorist.

I live in Canada, so I haven't witnessed these things first hand. And I'm very very glad I haven't.

You may not have experienced these very things, but Canada isn't void of any police-state like behavior. Canada has its own verison of the Patriot Act and it has already been used.

In addition, Canada controls its media. If you think about it, it's already closer to being a police state than the US. Why would the government control media access? Sounds police state to me.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?

Just answering so i can search for this incredible stupidity in typing later.

At least your posts make me laugh, thanx.

If you would like to make a complete list i could laugh some more.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?


You are wrong about the UK and Canada. The monarchy in the UK has no power whatsoever, they are only for show.

You think or know that I'm wrong. I think or know I'm right. Nevertheless, I think nations with caste systems such as monarchies will be the first to fall to a complete police state. Everything is already set up and ready for a single ruler to take charge. Most also have their own forms of Patriot Acts and other forms of restrictive legislations. Seems to make a perfect match for police state.

OMFG, don't tell me you are so incredibly stupid you mixed up India and UK?

India has a caste system, in fact it is the ONLY country in the ENTIRE world that does.

The UK and Canada, Norway and Denmark, Monaco and Spain and whichever monarchies you wish to include are every bit as democractic as the us and NONE of them have any form of a caste system.

EVERY one of these countries has a class system though, that includes the US. It isn't something we talk loud about but as long as income decides which benifits you are entitled to you have a class system.

You want to fight for justice between classes? Well, start at home.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?


You are wrong about the UK and Canada. The monarchy in the UK has no power whatsoever, they are only for show.

You think or know that I'm wrong. I think or know I'm right. Nevertheless, I think nations with caste systems such as monarchies will be the first to fall to a complete police state. Everything is already set up and ready for a single ruler to take charge. Most also have their own forms of Patriot Acts and other forms of restrictive legislations. Seems to make a perfect match for police state.

OMFG, don't tell me you are so incredibly stupid you mixed up India and UK?

India has a caste system, in fact it is the ONLY country in the ENTIRE world that does.

The UK and Canada, Norway and Denmark, Monaco and Spain and whichever monarchies you wish to include are every bit as democractic as the us and NONE of them have any form of a caste system.

EVERY one of these countries has a class system though, that includes the US. It isn't something we talk loud about but as long as income decides which benifits you are entitled to you have a class system.

You want to fight for justice between classes? Well, start at home.

Monarchies are a caste system. It's an archaic tradition that shouldn't have been allowed to come into the 21st century. It should have died out with things such as seppuku.
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Honestly, take a look at REALITY and tell me, is the UK and Canada every bit as democratic as the US?

"Authoritan figure to rule" You mean, *gasp* like a president?
"authoritan figure's likeness emblazed on currecncy, public places, ets." You mean, *gasp* like in the US
*controlled media* Controlled by who? The government or the companies that supports the government, like in *gasp* the us.

*controlled culture* Umm, BS.

So it's like the US, you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Get of your high horse and stop pretending, you want to fight injusticies in the system? You have a lot of work at home, finish that before racking down on the rest of the world.

Of course, you think you are somehow better than the rest of the world, but you really are not.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Honestly, take a look at REALITY and tell me, is the UK and Canada every bit as democratic as the US?

"Authoritan figure to rule" You mean, *gasp* like a president?
"authoritan figure's likeness emblazed on currecncy, public places, ets." You mean, *gasp* like in the US
*controlled media* Controlled by who? The government or the companies that supports the government, like in *gasp* the us.

*controlled culture* Umm, BS.

So it's like the US, you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Get of your high horse and stop pretending, you want to fight injusticies in the system? You have a lot of work at home, finish that before racking down on the rest of the world.

Of course, you think you are somehow better than the rest of the world, but you really are not.

I'm not really arguing whether one is more democratic than the other.

Canada's Queen isn't elected. She's born into it since it's an archaic caste system.
The president's likeness is not emblazoned on currency like Canada's queen is.
Canada's media is controlled against the wishes of the citizens.
Canada's culture is controlled through forces Canadian content restrictions which are controls on culture.

It already sounds like some futuristic authoritarian society from a movie.
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?


You are wrong about the UK and Canada. The monarchy in the UK has no power whatsoever, they are only for show.

You think or know that I'm wrong. I think or know I'm right. Nevertheless, I think nations with caste systems such as monarchies will be the first to fall to a complete police state. Everything is already set up and ready for a single ruler to take charge. Most also have their own forms of Patriot Acts and other forms of restrictive legislations. Seems to make a perfect match for police state.

OMFG, don't tell me you are so incredibly stupid you mixed up India and UK?

India has a caste system, in fact it is the ONLY country in the ENTIRE world that does.

The UK and Canada, Norway and Denmark, Monaco and Spain and whichever monarchies you wish to include are every bit as democractic as the us and NONE of them have any form of a caste system.

EVERY one of these countries has a class system though, that includes the US. It isn't something we talk loud about but as long as income decides which benifits you are entitled to you have a class system.

You want to fight for justice between classes? Well, start at home.

Monarchies are a caste system. It's an archaic tradition that shouldn't have been allowed to come into the 21st century. It should have died out with things such as seppuku.

No it isn't, the caste system is related to Hindu religion you moron. Now tell me, which of the countries you named profess to the Hindu religion?

Seppuku is part of the Buddhist religion though, but keep mixing, if you try hard enough then eventually you will get it right by mistake.

The old Monarchy was based on classes though, i know it's hard for someone who doesn't have the slightest clue regarding European history but at least try to read up a little bit, it's been a long time since any European King or Queen had any kind of power, it's kept for tradition.

Sadly, some people who don't understand traditions or religions will keep on mixing it up and think they know soo much better.
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Honestly, take a look at REALITY and tell me, is the UK and Canada every bit as democratic as the US?

"Authoritan figure to rule" You mean, *gasp* like a president?
"authoritan figure's likeness emblazed on currecncy, public places, ets." You mean, *gasp* like in the US
*controlled media* Controlled by who? The government or the companies that supports the government, like in *gasp* the us.

*controlled culture* Umm, BS.

So it's like the US, you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Get of your high horse and stop pretending, you want to fight injusticies in the system? You have a lot of work at home, finish that before racking down on the rest of the world.

Of course, you think you are somehow better than the rest of the world, but you really are not.

I'm not really arguing whether one is more democratic than the other.

Canada's Queen isn't elected. She's born into it since it's an archaic caste system.
The president's likeness is not emblazoned on currency like Canada's queen is.
Canada's media is controlled against the wishes of the citizens.
Canada's culture is controlled through forces Canadian content restrictions which are controls on culture.

It already sounds like some futuristic authoritarian society from a movie.

Last i looked Bill Gates wasn't elected either, would you say he has a lot of power? Probably more than Canadas Queen could ever hope to have.

And get it RIGHT, caste is related to hinduism, nothing else.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?


You are wrong about the UK and Canada. The monarchy in the UK has no power whatsoever, they are only for show.

You think or know that I'm wrong. I think or know I'm right. Nevertheless, I think nations with caste systems such as monarchies will be the first to fall to a complete police state. Everything is already set up and ready for a single ruler to take charge. Most also have their own forms of Patriot Acts and other forms of restrictive legislations. Seems to make a perfect match for police state.

OMFG, don't tell me you are so incredibly stupid you mixed up India and UK?

India has a caste system, in fact it is the ONLY country in the ENTIRE world that does.

The UK and Canada, Norway and Denmark, Monaco and Spain and whichever monarchies you wish to include are every bit as democractic as the us and NONE of them have any form of a caste system.

EVERY one of these countries has a class system though, that includes the US. It isn't something we talk loud about but as long as income decides which benifits you are entitled to you have a class system.

You want to fight for justice between classes? Well, start at home.

Monarchies are a caste system. It's an archaic tradition that shouldn't have been allowed to come into the 21st century. It should have died out with things such as seppuku.

No it isn't, the caste system is related to Hindu religion you moron. Now tell me, which of the countries you named profess to the Hindu religion?

Seppuku is part of the Buddhist religion though, but keep mixing, if you try hard enough then eventually you will get it right by mistake.

The old Monarchy was based on classes though, i know it's hard for someone who doesn't have the slightest clue regarding European history but at least try to read up a little bit, it's been a long time since any European King or Queen had any kind of power, it's kept for tradition.

Sadly, some people who don't understand traditions or religions will keep on mixing it up and think they know soo much better.

I believe that Nepal is the only country that professes to the Hindu religion. Seppuku is not part of Buddhism (or at least not as a whole). It's part of bushido.

I'm simply stating that monarchies are a caste system. There are many caste systems throughout history, including monarchies.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Honestly, take a look at REALITY and tell me, is the UK and Canada every bit as democratic as the US?

"Authoritan figure to rule" You mean, *gasp* like a president?
"authoritan figure's likeness emblazed on currecncy, public places, ets." You mean, *gasp* like in the US
*controlled media* Controlled by who? The government or the companies that supports the government, like in *gasp* the us.

*controlled culture* Umm, BS.

So it's like the US, you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Get of your high horse and stop pretending, you want to fight injusticies in the system? You have a lot of work at home, finish that before racking down on the rest of the world.

Of course, you think you are somehow better than the rest of the world, but you really are not.

I'm not really arguing whether one is more democratic than the other.

Canada's Queen isn't elected. She's born into it since it's an archaic caste system.
The president's likeness is not emblazoned on currency like Canada's queen is.
Canada's media is controlled against the wishes of the citizens.
Canada's culture is controlled through forces Canadian content restrictions which are controls on culture.

It already sounds like some futuristic authoritarian society from a movie.

Last i looked Bill Gates wasn't elected either, would you say he has a lot of power? Probably more than Canadas Queen could ever hope to have.

And get it RIGHT, caste is related to hinduism, nothing else.

You really should educate yourself more.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I doubt America would become like that. I think other nations would fall much before the US if that became some sort of global trend. Many nations such as Canada, UK, etc. are already ruled by monarchies so it's not too much of a stretch for them.

What is the NID supposed to do? How would it take away rights? Is it like the Patriot Act?


You are wrong about the UK and Canada. The monarchy in the UK has no power whatsoever, they are only for show.

You think or know that I'm wrong. I think or know I'm right. Nevertheless, I think nations with caste systems such as monarchies will be the first to fall to a complete police state. Everything is already set up and ready for a single ruler to take charge. Most also have their own forms of Patriot Acts and other forms of restrictive legislations. Seems to make a perfect match for police state.

OMFG, don't tell me you are so incredibly stupid you mixed up India and UK?

India has a caste system, in fact it is the ONLY country in the ENTIRE world that does.

The UK and Canada, Norway and Denmark, Monaco and Spain and whichever monarchies you wish to include are every bit as democractic as the us and NONE of them have any form of a caste system.

EVERY one of these countries has a class system though, that includes the US. It isn't something we talk loud about but as long as income decides which benifits you are entitled to you have a class system.

You want to fight for justice between classes? Well, start at home.

Monarchies are a caste system. It's an archaic tradition that shouldn't have been allowed to come into the 21st century. It should have died out with things such as seppuku.

No it isn't, the caste system is related to Hindu religion you moron. Now tell me, which of the countries you named profess to the Hindu religion?

Seppuku is part of the Buddhist religion though, but keep mixing, if you try hard enough then eventually you will get it right by mistake.

The old Monarchy was based on classes though, i know it's hard for someone who doesn't have the slightest clue regarding European history but at least try to read up a little bit, it's been a long time since any European King or Queen had any kind of power, it's kept for tradition.

Sadly, some people who don't understand traditions or religions will keep on mixing it up and think they know soo much better.

I believe that Nepal is the only country that professes to the Hindu religion. Seppuku is not part of Buddhism (or at least not as a whole). It's part of bushido.

I'm simply stating that monarchies are a caste system. There are many caste systems throughout history, including monarchies.

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: NoReMoRsE
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Many nations such as Canada ... are already ruled by monarchies

Actually, Canada is not ruled by a monarchy. We are a sovereign nation with a democratic system of government. The Queen of England at best is a figurehead and has nothing to do with how Canada is run.

Well, I believe that it's a constitutionial monarchy. The queen is the head of state. She possesses all executive power.

I don't think it's that big of a leap for a monarchy-based country to become a police state. All it needs is a little nudge in the right direction. Let's take Canada as an example. Everything is in place for the Queen to rule. As mentioned previously, media in the country is controlled. Also, Canada attempts to control its culture instead of letting it evolve on its own. Also as pointed out, they have their own version of the patriot act. So we have:

Authoritarian figure to rule
Authoritarian figure's likeness emblazoned on currency, public places, etc.
Controlled media
Controlled culture
patriot act like legislations

Don't you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Honestly, take a look at REALITY and tell me, is the UK and Canada every bit as democratic as the US?

"Authoritan figure to rule" You mean, *gasp* like a president?
"authoritan figure's likeness emblazed on currecncy, public places, ets." You mean, *gasp* like in the US
*controlled media* Controlled by who? The government or the companies that supports the government, like in *gasp* the us.

*controlled culture* Umm, BS.

So it's like the US, you think that's cutting it pretty close?

Get of your high horse and stop pretending, you want to fight injusticies in the system? You have a lot of work at home, finish that before racking down on the rest of the world.

Of course, you think you are somehow better than the rest of the world, but you really are not.

I'm not really arguing whether one is more democratic than the other.

Canada's Queen isn't elected. She's born into it since it's an archaic caste system.
The president's likeness is not emblazoned on currency like Canada's queen is.
Canada's media is controlled against the wishes of the citizens.
Canada's culture is controlled through forces Canadian content restrictions which are controls on culture.

It already sounds like some futuristic authoritarian society from a movie.

Last i looked Bill Gates wasn't elected either, would you say he has a lot of power? Probably more than Canadas Queen could ever hope to have.

And get it RIGHT, caste is related to hinduism, nothing else.

You really should educate yourself more.

Actually i don't have time, i have to correct you on pretty much every post you make.

Now how about that caste system? I heard the Queen of the US has always used it.

Might seem like a ridiculous statement but just as correct as yours.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.

No, you don't get it, many societies have had CLASS systems but the caste system is only in place in hinduist societies.

You can read your eyes out if you want without EVER being able to find anything about monarchies and the caste system (and there are no "systems" it is ONE system only working one way in only one single religion).

I have tried to explain, in several posts now, including an explanation how it works in the religion it works in but you refuse to listen so i am done arguing with you.

You can call ANY system whatever you want if you want i guess, but if you want to use the correct definitions you need to understand them and you DON'T.

The CLASS system hasn't been in place in any monarchy i know of for at least 100 years either, so not even if you should suddenly realize that what was in place in Europe at the time was a Class system you would have a valid argument.


You can argue with yourself about the class and the caste system from now on, i have educated you some about it but i don't have the time to keep educating you.
 
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While many people associate the words 'caste system' to India, the actual definition of caste system is not limited to 'hinduist societies'.

The word 'caste' can also mean: A social class separated from others by distinctions of hereditary rank, profession, or wealth.

Plenty of societies have been known to have a type of 'caste system'. This could be extended to a monarchy to a certain extent.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.

No, you don't get it, many societies have had CLASS systems but the caste system is only in place in hinduist societies.

You can read your eyes out if you want without EVER being able to find anything about monarchies and the caste system (and there are no "systems" it is ONE system only working one way in only one single religion).

I have tried to explain, in several posts now, including an explanation how it works in the religion it works in but you refuse to listen so i am done arguing with you.

You can call ANY system whatever you want if you want i guess, but if you want to use the correct definitions you need to understand them and you DON'T.

The CLASS system hasn't been in place in any monarchy i know of for at least 100 years either, so not even if you should suddenly realize that what was in place in Europe at the time was a Class system you would have a valid argument.


You can argue with yourself about the class and the caste system from now on, i have educated you some about it but i don't have the time to keep educating you.

Nope. It seems anthropologists use it as I have been doing in this thread, too. Maybe you should write a paper on it and submit it to journals for publication.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.

No, you don't get it, many societies have had CLASS systems but the caste system is only in place in hinduist societies.

You can read your eyes out if you want without EVER being able to find anything about monarchies and the caste system (and there are no "systems" it is ONE system only working one way in only one single religion).

I have tried to explain, in several posts now, including an explanation how it works in the religion it works in but you refuse to listen so i am done arguing with you.

You can call ANY system whatever you want if you want i guess, but if you want to use the correct definitions you need to understand them and you DON'T.

The CLASS system hasn't been in place in any monarchy i know of for at least 100 years either, so not even if you should suddenly realize that what was in place in Europe at the time was a Class system you would have a valid argument.


You can argue with yourself about the class and the caste system from now on, i have educated you some about it but i don't have the time to keep educating you.

Nope. It seems anthropologists use it as I have been doing in this thread, too. Maybe you should write a paper on it and submit it to journals for publication.

Supply a link and you bet your butt i will question them directly, it would be a factual error.

I am well educated in both Hindu religion and European religion, and any scientist worthy of his phd would never EVER confuse the caste and the class system.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.

No, you don't get it, many societies have had CLASS systems but the caste system is only in place in hinduist societies.

You can read your eyes out if you want without EVER being able to find anything about monarchies and the caste system (and there are no "systems" it is ONE system only working one way in only one single religion).

I have tried to explain, in several posts now, including an explanation how it works in the religion it works in but you refuse to listen so i am done arguing with you.

You can call ANY system whatever you want if you want i guess, but if you want to use the correct definitions you need to understand them and you DON'T.

The CLASS system hasn't been in place in any monarchy i know of for at least 100 years either, so not even if you should suddenly realize that what was in place in Europe at the time was a Class system you would have a valid argument.


You can argue with yourself about the class and the caste system from now on, i have educated you some about it but i don't have the time to keep educating you.

Nope. It seems anthropologists use it as I have been doing in this thread, too. Maybe you should write a paper on it and submit it to journals for publication.

Supply a link and you bet your butt i will question them directly, it would be a factual error.

I am well educated in both Hindu religion and European religion, and any scientist worthy of his phd would never EVER confuse the caste and the class system.

That would be interesting for you to tell an anthropologist that he is wrong. It seems to me that you have a Google education. It's interesting how you're saying anthropologists are wrong and you're right. Must be nice to think you're the king of the world.

Do a search on Amazon or any textbook site for 'caste' and you'll get a lot of matches for books, many about other caste systems.
 

Kibbo

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Can o' Worms,

You misunderstand the powers of the Queen In Canada. Her authority is devolved to her representative, the Governor General. Who is appointed by the Prime Minister. You know, that guy who is elected, and whose powers are even more dependent on the consent of the Legislature than the President. And the GG is currently an artist, married to one of the most truly democratic political philosophers of our time.

No threat there.

What is a little more frightening is the Homeland Security Act, our version of the patriot act. But even there it is softer than your Patriot Act (but only on a couple of small details.) And it has not yet been tested by our Supreme Court, who is very liberal and very oriented towards personal privacy and legal freedoms.

Also, our media, though licences are regulated by the government, the CRTC operates at arms lenght of the Gov't. In fact, it has pissed off our gov't because a couple of its decisions have been a little too restrictive of late. And who is spearheading the criticizm here? Oh, wait, the media. Our media did not recently sink its head into a cloud of Patriotism and forget its role, as yours did. Thankfully, yours seems to remembering its job. I was really worried about you guys for a little while there.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Can o' Worms,

You misunderstand the powers of the Queen In Canada. Her authority is devolved to her representative, the Governor General. Who is appointed by the Prime Minister. You know, that guy who is elected, and whose powers are even more dependent on the consent of the Legislature than the President. And the GG is currently an artist, married to one of the most truly democratic political philosophers of our time.

No threat there.

What is a little more frightening is the Homeland Security Act, our version of the patriot act. But even there it is softer than your Patriot Act (but only on a couple of small details.) And it has not yet been tested by our Supreme Court, who is very liberal and very oriented towards personal privacy and legal freedoms.

Also, our media, though licences are regulated by the government, the CRTC operates at arms lenght of the Gov't. In fact, it has pissed off our gov't because a couple of its decisions have been a little too restrictive of late. And who is spearheading the criticizm here? Oh, wait, the media. Our media did not recently sink its head into a cloud of Patriotism and forget its role, as yours did. Thankfully, yours seems to remembering its job. I was really worried about you guys for a little while there.

My facts still stand. It seems like a scary movie set in an authoritarian future - one figure has total control, image everywhere, government controls culture, government controls media.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer

Arrrggghhh, explain to me how, through reincarnation the old monarchies system worked, because THAT is how the caste system works.

As you gain a life level (through reincarnation) you rise on the caste scale. Would you say that you know of ANY monarchy that has EVER worked like that?

Regarding Buddhism and Bushido you are correct though.

Again, you should read some. Many societies have/had caste systems. Japan had a caste system. Monarchies are a type of caste system. Slavery was a caste system.

You're only focusing on one caste system, obviously the most well-known one.

No, you don't get it, many societies have had CLASS systems but the caste system is only in place in hinduist societies.

You can read your eyes out if you want without EVER being able to find anything about monarchies and the caste system (and there are no "systems" it is ONE system only working one way in only one single religion).

I have tried to explain, in several posts now, including an explanation how it works in the religion it works in but you refuse to listen so i am done arguing with you.

You can call ANY system whatever you want if you want i guess, but if you want to use the correct definitions you need to understand them and you DON'T.

The CLASS system hasn't been in place in any monarchy i know of for at least 100 years either, so not even if you should suddenly realize that what was in place in Europe at the time was a Class system you would have a valid argument.


You can argue with yourself about the class and the caste system from now on, i have educated you some about it but i don't have the time to keep educating you.

Nope. It seems anthropologists use it as I have been doing in this thread, too. Maybe you should write a paper on it and submit it to journals for publication.

Supply a link and you bet your butt i will question them directly, it would be a factual error.

I am well educated in both Hindu religion and European religion, and any scientist worthy of his phd would never EVER confuse the caste and the class system.

That would be interesting for you to tell an anthropologist that he is wrong. It seems to me that you have a Google education. It's interesting how you're saying anthropologists are wrong and you're right. Must be nice to think you're the king of the world.

Do a search on Amazon or any textbook site for 'caste' and you'll get a lot of matches for books, many about other caste systems.

You can't supply ONE single link?
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Well, theoretically, all executive power is reposed in the Queen.

Theoretically a lot of things that can be proven otherwise are true.

Should we stick to reality or should we dance around and pretend what could be?
 
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