National Review picks Romney

ProfJohn

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I am not sure who I am going to vote for yet, but I think it comes down to Romny or Rudy.
Many conservatives are finding it difficult to pick a presidential candidate. Each of the men running for the Republican nomination has strengths, and none has everything ? all the traits, all the positions ? we are looking for. Equally conservative analysts can reach, and have reached, different judgments in this matter. There are fine conservatives supporting each of these Republicans.

Our guiding principle has always been to select the most conservative viable candidate. In our judgment, that candidate is Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts. Unlike some other candidates in the race, Romney is a full-spectrum conservative: a supporter of free-market economics and limited government, moral causes such as the right to life and the preservation of marriage, and a foreign policy based on the national interest. While he has not talked much about the importance of resisting ethnic balkanization ? none of the major candidates has ? he supports enforcing the immigration laws and opposes amnesty. Those are important steps in the right direction.

Uniting the conservative coalition is not enough to win a presidential election, but it is a prerequisite for building on that coalition. Rudolph Giuliani did extraordinary work as mayor of New York and was inspirational on 9/11. But he and Mike Huckabee would pull apart the coalition from opposite ends: Giuliani alienating the social conservatives, and Huckabee the economic (and foreign-policy) conservatives. A Republican party that abandoned either limited government or moral standards would be much diminished in the service it could give the country.

Two other major candidates would be able to keep the coalition together, but have drawbacks of their own. John McCain is not as conservative as Romney. He sponsored and still champions a campaign-finance law that impinged on fundamental rights of political speech; he voted against the Bush tax cuts; he supported this year?s amnesty bill, although he now says he understands the need to control the border before doing anything else.

Despite all that and more, he is a hero with a record that is far more good than bad. He has been a strong and farsighted supporter of the Iraq War, and, in a trying political season for him, he has preserved and even enhanced his reputation for dignity and seriousness. There would be worse nominees for the GOP (see above). But McCain ran an ineffectual campaign for most of the year and is still paying for it.

Fred Thompson is as conservative as Romney, and has distinguished himself with serious proposals on Social Security, immigration, and defense. But Thompson has never run any large enterprise ? and he has not run his campaign well, either. Conservatives were excited this spring to hear that he might enter the race, but have been disappointed by the reality. He has been fading in crucial early states. He has not yet passed the threshold test of establishing for voters that he truly wants to be president.

Romney is an intelligent, articulate, and accomplished former businessman and governor. At a time when voters yearn for competence and have soured on Washington because too often the Bush administration has not demonstrated it, Romney offers proven executive skill. He has demonstrated it in everything he has done in his professional life, and his tightly organized, disciplined campaign is no exception. He himself has shown impressive focus and energy.

It is true that he has less foreign-policy experience than Thompson and (especially) McCain, but he has more executive experience than both. Since almost all of the candidates have the same foreign-policy principles, what matters most is which candidate has the skills to execute that vision.

Like any Republican, he would have an uphill climb next fall. But he would be able to offer a persuasive outsider?s critique of Washington. His conservative accomplishments as governor showed that he can work with, and resist, a Demo­crat­ic legislature. He knows that not every feature of the health-care plan he enacted in Massachusetts should be replicated nationally, but he can also speak with more authority than any of the other Republican candidates about this pressing issue. He would also have credibility on the economy, given his success as a businessman and a manager of the Olympics.

Some conservatives question his sincerity. It is true that he has reversed some of his positions. But we should be careful not to overstate how much he has changed. In 1994, when he tried to unseat Ted Kennedy, he ran against higher taxes and government-run health care, and for school choice, a balanced budget amendment, welfare reform, and ?tougher measures to stop illegal immigration.? He was no Rockefeller Republican even then.

We believe that Romney is a natural ally of social conservatives. He speaks often about the toll of fatherlessness in this country. He may not have thought deeply about the political dimensions of social issues until, as governor, he was confronted with the cutting edge of social liberalism. No other Republican governor had to deal with both human cloning and court-imposed same-sex marriage. He was on the right side of both issues, and those battles seem to have made him see the stakes of a broad range of public-policy issues more clearly. He will work to put abortion on a path to extinction. Whatever the process by which he got to where he is on marriage, judges, and life, we?re glad he is now on our side ? and we trust him to stay there.

He still has some convincing to do with other conservatives. Romney has been plagued by the sense that his is a passionless, paint-by-the-numbers conservatism. If he is to win the nomination, he will have to show more of the kind of emotion and resolve he demonstrated in his College Station ?Faith in America? speech.

For some people, Romney?s Mormonism is still a barrier. But we are not electing a pastor. The notion that he will somehow be controlled by Salt Lake City or engaged in evangelism for his church is outlandish. He deserves to be judged on his considerable merits as a potential president. As he argued in his College Station speech, his faith informs his values, which he has demonstrated in both the private and public sectors. In none of these cases have any specific doctrines of his church affected the quality of his leadership. Romney is an exemplary family man and a patriot whose character matches the high office to which he aspires.

More than the other primary candidates, Romney has President Bush?s virtues and avoids his flaws. His moral positions, and his instincts on taxes and foreign policy, are the same. But he is less inclined to federal activism, less tolerant of overspending, better able to defend conservative positions in debate, and more likely to demand performance from his subordinates. A winning combination, by our lights. In this most fluid and unpredictable Republican field, we vote for Mitt Romney.
If he wins Romney could pick McCain as VP, would make some sense politically.
Popular guy, from the southwest, Washington experience, foreign policy experience and can take the moral high ground in the war on terror treatment of terrorists issue.
 

brxndxn

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Just what we need.. a Republican that would easily lose to Hilary... a pro big government, pro-war candidate..
 

daclayman

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After almost 10 yrs of this crap, it's pretty easy... Both parties vote for the attractive candidiate... I called Ronmey a long time ago. Policy doesn't matter to idiots; they just like candy. Just like you, John.

So where's the eye candy....

McCain... maybe after a 12 pack...
Guionni... Uhh, no and no..
Fred... <cough> plz..


Repubs are easy. White, male, and slightly attractive.. shoe-in


 

Farang

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Ugh.. they give Romney these Kennedy-like speeches that he delivers like a DJ spewing the morning traffic report. He is unelectable.
 

Lemon law

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Just one more reason for me not to consider the National Review a mag worth reading. They kind of lost me when they mumbled about the most conservative of ALL non totally so far out its unbelievable loser types.

When one puts conservative ahead of positive results, it just show why their priorities are dead wrong.

When your personal principles are not leading to good results, its also time to question the principles that MAY be causing the wrong results. Or at least be open to the possibility the National Review is ignoring.

But I was not planning on supporting Romney before. I am not a bit swayed to alter my position.

 

jman19

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Originally posted by: daclayman
After almost 10 yrs of this crap, it's pretty easy... Both parties vote for the attractive candidiate... I called Ronmey a long time ago. Policy doesn't matter to idiots; they just like candy. Just like you, John.

So where's the eye candy....

McCain... maybe after a 12 pack...
Guionni... Uhh, no and no..
Fred... <cough> plz..


Repubs are easy. White, male, and slightly attractive.. shoe-in

So you find Bush at least "slightly attractive" eh? :shocked:
 

ProfJohn

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Lemon, what is the chance that you vote for ANY Republican?

This article is not meant for people like you or other left wing liberals around here. It is for the people who will or might vote Republican.
 

daclayman

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I need not repsond, but..

people, the electorate..., vote for someone that they think they can befriend.. Cheney.. er, aahh, no. Bush, yes. He's the dumb friend that always follows..

This is rehash, kids. It's already written in stone. Romney,<blank> against Clinton, <blank>

There will be no Paul dude cuz he's creapy and 3rd party.
 

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Romney is just a corporate whore who is trying to buy his way into the Presidency. He is just a mish mash of what 50+ advisors tell him to be for the cameras. He might be very polished, but FAKE. He says what his audience wants to hear, with no real passion behind his words.

Romney has no fresh ideas...and is proposing no major changes to our current economic and foreign policies which are disastrous for this country. We need a radical change...not more of the same big government conservatism.

 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Lemon, what is the chance that you vote for ANY Republican?

This article is not meant for people like you or other left wing liberals around here. It is for the people who will or might vote Republican.
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The Republican had a chance of getting my vote if Chuck Hagel ran.

With any in the current Republican field, not a snowballs chance in hell.

And for any Republican to win the Presidency, that always requires that a significant number of democrats cross party lines and vote Republican for President. And if you keep listening to the National Review non Prof John, you are instead likely to see most moderate Republicans voting for a democrats for President in 08.
 

daclayman

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That's all good and I prolly like your stance but I dont even have to read it because the platform doesn't matter. US-a is a 2 party system and platforms dont change voters anymore. I'm sure Paul is a great guy. So is anybody but they won't get time in the US electoral prez race.

Dont vote Romney
 

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Romney is definitely a superior alternative to Rudy. Rudy is hawkish and clueless generally on foreign affairs or common sense. Romney at least has a track record for getting things done and is a Mormon to boot, which to me speaks to his values. Remember, all Mormons go to heaven according to Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

I can see why maybe many months ago people were considering voting for Rudy (including myself in fact). But anyone considering voting for this guy now, even if the alternative is Clinton, should be laughed out of room.
 

Moonbeam

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PJ, please have the decency not to vote. You are upside down and backwards in your instincts and will just pick another disaster. You should vote for whom you think would be the worst person. They will almost certainly be the best.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
PJ, please have the decency not to vote. You are upside down and backwards in your instincts and will just pick another disaster. You should vote for whom you think would be the worst person. They will almost certainly be the best.

Like your vote carries any weight? LOL you are NOT an elector. Your worthless vote is as a good as PJ's or mine.

ZERO.
 

Siddhartha

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The only group on this forum who is happy with a candidate are the Ron Paul boosters.

Is the Republican A-list of potential candidates staying out of the race?

This happened for the Democrats in 1992. The best bet was that
George H W Bush was a shoo-in and people like Gore* stayed out of the race for the presidential nominee.

A question for the forum's Republicans:

Is there anyone you would like to see running who isn't?

That question probably deserves a thread of its own

*Yeah I know he has been demonized. But at the time, early 1990's, he was in the top ten of Democratic potentials.
 

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Romney is nothing more than a pressed suit with Good Hair. The man cant make a decision for himself.

I mean the man was Dead in the Water last week after the debate until he came out and had his little "I love Jebus" speech
 

Craig234

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I'm happy with Dennis Kucinich; I'm not happy that he is very low in the polls. I'm not thrilled with any other democrat, but Edwards of Obama would *probably* be very good; the republican slate is a disaster, the only one who's merely 'very bad' rather than 'George Bush the third or worse' is John McCain, and he's not doing well in the polls either.

So, the big question is, can Obama or Edwards (unlikely) catch Hillary, and if not, will she be the corporate shill progressives are worried about, and whatever democrat is nominated it's very important they win against any of the republicans this time. If we get one of these republicans, we're in historic trouble.
 

jman19

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Why am I not surprised that PJ is all for the front runners.

Anyone who votes for Giuliani is a fool as far as I am concerned.
 

heyheybooboo

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Topic: National Review picks Romney

News Flash! I pick my nose.

Oprah picks Obama. Fundies pick Huckabee . . . .

Who cares? Use your own mind and pick the candidate who you feel will do the least amount of damage to the country . . .

Only an ego-maniacal self-centered special interest pandering douche (in the overwhelming majority of cases) would want to be president these days.
 

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
PJ, please have the decency not to vote. You are upside down and backwards in your instincts and will just pick another disaster. You should vote for whom you think would be the worst person. They will almost certainly be the best.

Like your vote carries any weight? LOL you are NOT an elector. Your worthless vote is as a good as PJ's or mine.

ZERO.

Here's a hint:

If you are going to keep repeating that mantra, why not just put it in your sig?

It sure would save a lot of typing.

 

manowar821

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Why am I not surprised...?

Please, do vote for a dogma toting prick. We could always use another one of those.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
The only group on this forum who is happy with a candidate are the Ron Paul boosters.

Is the Republican A-list of potential candidates staying out of the race?

This happened for the Democrats in 1992. The best bet was that
George H W Bush was a shoo-in and people like Gore* stayed out of the race for the presidential nominee.

A question for the forum's Republicans:

Is there anyone you would like to see running who isn't?

That question probably deserves a thread of its own

*Yeah I know he has been demonized. But at the time, early 1990's, he was in the top ten of Democratic potentials.
Newt, but I don't think he would be able to win.

Jeb Bush would probably be the best candidate, if he wasn?t related to George.
He is a great speaker, bi-lingual, is very charismatic, has a Latino wife, was a popular governor and would most likely guarantee the Republicans take Florida.
All that goes out the window because of George and the mess he has made.

Beyond him though I don't think there is a Republican 'A-list' star sitting out there, just like I don't think the Democrats have one either.
Hillary and Rudy are most likely the only a-list candidates in the country right now. Everyone else has had to work their to the top with hard work and effort, Rudy and Hillary were at the top the day they entered the race.
 

Capitalizt

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn


Beyond him though I don't think there is a Republican 'A-list' star sitting out there, just like I don't think the Democrats have one either.

Actually, the democrats DO have one, and I am glad they never nominated him, because I think he would blow away the competition on both sides. He is moderate, charismatic, seems to be an honest down-to-earth guy...

Evan Bayh

 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Jeb Bush would probably be the best candidate, if he wasn?t related to George.
He is a great speaker, bi-lingual, is very charismatic, has a Latino wife, was a popular governor and would most likely guarantee the Republicans take Florida.

Funny that PJs qualifications for "best" have nothing to do with policy or beliefs. He just wants someone with a nice haircut and a tan. No wonder he loves Romney.

Do us all a favor and don't vote.
 
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