NBA - Ron Artest Requests trade, makes more idiotic comments

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: miri
Artest is one of the premier players in the NBA. He is almost a all-star player on his offensive repertoire alone. Add to the fact that he is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and you have a superstar.

Artest and Kobe Bryant would be a awesome 1-2 punch.

yea, one would knock you out, the other would knock u up

lol

this Artest dude is one strange cat. He said he also wouldn't mind coming off the bench behind someone like Lebron. So does he want to shoot more or come off the bench now or what?

 

[oboeguy]

I would LOVE to see Artest call the Garden home again. It would be a great upgrade for the Knicks! However, that won't change my opinion of his game: he's a thug. Defensively, he gets away with far too much. Offensively he runs people over with an amazing lack of grace and fluidity. In short, I don't understand why this guy doesn't foul out in the first half of every game (I haven't seen him play much since the 03-04 season, of course so tell me he's changed and I'll believe you).

 

[shekondar]

Send him to Detroit.

 

[oddyager]

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: miri
Artest is one of the premier players in the NBA. He is almost a all-star player on his offensive repertoire alone. Add to the fact that he is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and you have a superstar.

Artest and Kobe Bryant would be a awesome 1-2 punch.

This actually doesn't sound too far-fetched considering Phil in the past has dealt with basketcases (Dennis Rodman) but who do the Lakers have of value to trade for Artest? I would imagine any trade would have to involve Lamar Odom as a centerpiece which means they would then have no legitimate rebounder on their roster.

Hold on now ... did you just refer to Lamar Odom as a legitimate rebounder? Or was it the Pacers you were talking about? I'm

Well maybe not a pure rebounder but Odom is the Lakers only good one. Who else on their roster can pull down 10 a game?

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: Patt

Originally posted by: oddyager

Originally posted by: miri
Artest is one of the premier players in the NBA. He is almost a all-star player on his offensive repertoire alone. Add to the fact that he is one of the best perimeter defenders in the league and you have a superstar.

Artest and Kobe Bryant would be a awesome 1-2 punch.

This actually doesn't sound too far-fetched considering Phil in the past has dealt with basketcases (Dennis Rodman) but who do the Lakers have of value to trade for Artest? I would imagine any trade would have to involve Lamar Odom as a centerpiece which means they would then have no legitimate rebounder on their roster.

Hold on now ... did you just refer to Lamar Odom as a legitimate rebounder? Or was it the Pacers you were talking about? I'm

Well maybe not a pure rebounder but Odom is the Lakers only good one. Who else on their roster can pull down 10 a game?

Lamar Odom is 2nd on the lakers roster in the "lack of depth" chart. (right behind a guy who was picked #1 by MJ)

 

[Inspector Jihad]

i thought he handled it very well...read the article...he was being very respectable. And as for believing the mismatch...not only is it true, but its an attitude that great players have.

 

[Dragnov]

Lamar is #15 rebounder this season. He has averaged over 8rpg over his career. What NOT makes him a legitimate rebounder?

That being said... Kwame Brown for Artest.

 

[Juno]

dealing artest to knicks will make them look worse. marbury wants the ball and now artest wants the ball. who are you gonna assist the ball to?

too much egoism on the team.

 

[iamme]

Pacers agree to trade him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2256741

veeeery interesting.

 

[iamme]

thing about Artest is that he only makes like 5-6 million a year (low by NBA standards), so moving him will be very easy.

 

[Stifko]

The Knicks passed on him in the draft, so I doubt they will persue him now. Too bad, I would like to see him as a Knick.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Stifko
The Knicks passed on him in the draft, so I doubt they will persue him now. Too bad, I would like to see him as a Knick.

#1 That wasn't under Isiah.
#2 They didn't know how good he would be in the NBA.

 

[Playmaker]

I have my fingers crossed that a trade can jumpstart his fantasy value. He'd be a 25/8 guy in a better situation, not to mention a top 3 defender in the league.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: iamme
thing about Artest is that he only makes like 5-6 million a year (low by NBA standards), so moving him will be very easy.

not necessarily. only if the pacers are really desperate to take anything in return.

for the pacers to accept a 5-6 million a yr guy (remember in the nba with trades, you gotta match salary with salary due to the cap.)

so it's either a 5-6 million guy w/ a expiring contract

or a 5-6 million guy. but the 5-6 million guy out there does not have star skills like Artest. Pacers will be reluctant to take a guy that will make the Pacers worse... unless again, they are desperate. Yes, Artest in otherwords, is underpaid at his current contract as he has blossomed playerwise.

He also wants to go to a good team, but why would the Pacers give him what he wants, and send him to a contender that will compete with the Pacers come playoff time?

They will send him to like Siberia/Toronto.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: Cal166
Artest wants to be a Knick! Woot!

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I welcome him home since the Knicks needs Small Forward.

Pacers I doubt will send him here. Knicks need a shooter, Pacers looking for a shooter. Knicks only have Frye as most marketable to give, but Knicks wanna keep him, Pacers don't really need Frye. Maybe Hardaway with his expiring contract lumped with someone else is all the Knicks can give... maybe a draft.

Or Pacers trade Artest somewhere and the Knicks grab him from that point forward = 3 team trade.

i just heard from ESPN that Drew Rosenhaus is this guy's agent. Same one as Owens and the Packers WR dumped.

 

[psteng19]

Frye is untouchable.
The Knicks have to be incredibly stupid to trade him.

In a few years, he will be the next Tim Duncan

 

[Knocks]

LOL cause Larry Brown would SO enjoy his company if he comes to NY.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Frye is untouchable.
The Knicks have to be incredibly stupid to trade him.

In a few years, he will be the next Tim Duncan

he's one of the few on the Knicks that doesn't eat up cap, and if traded, doesn't alleviate cap. And, he's young. That's what makes him have Knick job security.

Not sure he can be projected to be the nect TD. Fry looks too one dimensional... looks like he dribbles the ball onto his foot if he put it on the floor.

Like Camby 8 yrs ago, where he'd score on broken plays, put backs, fast breaks as opposed to having a set play run for him.

But Fry as a Rookie has a J that people in the league take 2-3 yrs to develop if at all. However, he did have 4 yrs of college I believe.

I'm really impressed by his deep stroke. It looks as dependable as AllanHouston's J, but Frye has no 3... of course.

What I'm surprised is he has no shake moves, no dribble moves, and doesn't post up. I thought he was a post up player but he's a face up player.

What I like is he has pride in his game. He was at 'home' in Phoenix last week and he went 4-18, but LB left him there for I think over 40min.

The next game was last night, he was what, 14 points in the 1st qtr alone and shot something like 6-8, all jump shots, hitting his first 6?

He played 41min, pretty much was sat down for the 2nd qtr, and ended with career high 30points.

He has bounceback ability... which is what I wondered when he finished that Phoenix game... nice. LB should play this guy 40min a night 2 out of 3 nights.. make him develope like mad and come next season, assuming he works on some moves in the summer... whoa.

Marbury... sigh. Doesn't pump up his players, always looks negative... goes to the hole hard, but doesn't finish - bangs the board hard off the glass, doesn't get the foul call... can't hit freethrows... disappears on some games, comes up big in points in others... no consistency from a 'star'. Stars are consistent. It doesn't mean much if Marbury 'averages' 20 a night when it's from 32 one night, then 8points and 8 points the next two. I rather have Kidd or Nash putting steaaaddy 17, then 21, then 15 points per night... always double digits... more assists, more TIMELY made baskets, and hitting big free throws.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: abc

Originally posted by: psteng19
Frye is untouchable.
The Knicks have to be incredibly stupid to trade him.

In a few years, he will be the next Tim Duncan

he's one of the few on the Knicks that doesn't eat up cap, and if traded, doesn't alleviate cap. And, he's young. That's what makes him have Knick job security.

Not sure he can be projected to be the nect TD. Fry looks too one dimensional... looks like he dribbles the ball onto his foot if he put it on the floor.

Like Camby 8 yrs ago, where he'd score on broken plays, put backs, fast breaks as opposed to having a set play run for him.

But Fry as a Rookie has a J that people in the league take 2-3 yrs to develop if at all. However, he did have 4 yrs of college I believe.

I'm really impressed by his deep stroke. It looks as dependable as AllanHouston's J, but Frye has no 3... of course.

What I'm surprised is he has no shake moves, no dribble moves, and doesn't post up. I thought he was a post up player but he's a face up player.

What I like is he has pride in his game. He was at 'home' in Phoenix last week and he went 4-18, but LB left him there for I think over 40min.

The next game was last night, he was what, 14 points in the 1st qtr alone and shot something like 6-8, all jump shots, hitting his first 6?

He played 41min, pretty much was sat down for the 2nd qtr, and ended with career high 30points.

He has bounceback ability... which is what I wondered when he finished that Phoenix game... nice. LB should play this guy 40min a night 2 out of 3 nights.. make him develope like mad and come next season, assuming he works on some moves in the summer... whoa.

Marbury... sigh. Doesn't pump up his players, always looks negative... goes to the hole hard, but doesn't finish - bangs the board hard off the glass, doesn't get the foul call... can't hit freethrows... disappears on some games, comes up big in points in others... no consistency from a 'star'. Stars are consistent. It doesn't mean much if Marbury 'averages' 20 a night when it's from 32 one night, then 8points and 8 points the next two. I rather have Kidd or Nash putting steaaaddy 17, then 21, then 15 points per night... always double digits... more assists, more TIMELY made baskets, and hitting big free throws.

Hmm I dont think he compares to Camby at all. Camby is a much better at rebounding/blocking shots but Camby couldnt even dream of a jumper like frye's

 

[NeoV]

wow...some very good replies here, some very bad ones....

Artest is almost an all-star based on his offensive game alone???? HAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAH - that might be the funniest thing I've ever read about an NBA player on this forum - as someone else said, he's ungraceful at best at that end of the court - he has a decent shot, when no defender is on him, but he pretty much just bulls his way to the basket - no post moves at all - zero, zilch, nada - other than back your man down as far as you can.

Sorry to name names, but "inspector jihad" - you should never be allowed to comment on athletes again - you thought he was being respectful? What? Are you nuts?! What player has ever done this in the NBA? Ever? This is moronic - he's scoring 18-20 a night, and this coach is holding his offensive game back? What? Now, in the past few days, all he's talking about is his baggage, the need for a fresh start, etc...no more mention of his offensive game? He's a child mentally, period.

Anyone defending him is a mismatch? Why? Cause he'll just push them out of the way?

If Kobe says no one can guard him, I'm ok with that, just don't ask Ruben Patterson....if McGrady says that, I'm ok with that...if LeBron says that, I see it pretty much every night.....Ron Artest? He's not even in the discussion when talking about players that are difficult to guard - his handle is average at best, sort of a pre-req or being 'impossible' to guard.

Drew Rosenhaus has nothing to do with Ron Artest.

As for the Knick fanbois - your team stinks, plain and simple. Channing Frye is your only decent frontcourt player - E.Curry should be ashamed of himself - here's a tip Eddie - it's called the workout room - you may want to at least see the inside of one once before your career is over. Nice signing with Crawford Isaiah - is there a more expensive player coming off the bench in the NBA? Malik Rose? - is it that important to have an undersized power forward on your roster? How the heck do you trade Nazr Mohammed for Mailk Rose? Nate Robinson and Marbury are the starting backcourt? Wow, just wow. Good thing that Larry Brown signing is working out though.....

As for the Pacers, they will likely package Pollard's sorry butt in any trade to even up the salaries a a bit. Artest (if he had just complained that he's underpaid I would have been fine with that) really isn't that highly paid, so the Pacers can get away with throwing Pollard in if they take on a larger salary. The Knicks would likely have to include Frye in any trade with the Pacers, and I just don't see them doing that. The Cavs are in fact very interested - Drew Gooden and Luke Jackson for Artest could easily happen - Bird was very high on Jackson - I really doubt they want to trade him in the same division though. I say he is traded somewhere out west - heck, send him to the Suns so he can jack up all the shots he wants, and get James Jones back along with the suddenly valuable Boris Diaw.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: abc

Originally posted by: psteng19
Frye is untouchable.
The Knicks have to be incredibly stupid to trade him.

In a few years, he will be the next Tim Duncan

he's one of the few on the Knicks that doesn't eat up cap, and if traded, doesn't alleviate cap. And, he's young. That's what makes him have Knick job security.

Not sure he can be projected to be the nect TD. Fry looks too one dimensional... looks like he dribbles the ball onto his foot if he put it on the floor.

Like Camby 8 yrs ago, where he'd score on broken plays, put backs, fast breaks as opposed to having a set play run for him.

But Fry as a Rookie has a J that people in the league take 2-3 yrs to develop if at all. However, he did have 4 yrs of college I believe.

I'm really impressed by his deep stroke. It looks as dependable as AllanHouston's J, but Frye has no 3... of course.

What I'm surprised is he has no shake moves, no dribble moves, and doesn't post up. I thought he was a post up player but he's a face up player.

What I like is he has pride in his game. He was at 'home' in Phoenix last week and he went 4-18, but LB left him there for I think over 40min.

The next game was last night, he was what, 14 points in the 1st qtr alone and shot something like 6-8, all jump shots, hitting his first 6?

He played 41min, pretty much was sat down for the 2nd qtr, and ended with career high 30points.

He has bounceback ability... which is what I wondered when he finished that Phoenix game... nice. LB should play this guy 40min a night 2 out of 3 nights.. make him develope like mad and come next season, assuming he works on some moves in the summer... whoa.

Marbury... sigh. Doesn't pump up his players, always looks negative... goes to the hole hard, but doesn't finish - bangs the board hard off the glass, doesn't get the foul call... can't hit freethrows... disappears on some games, comes up big in points in others... no consistency from a 'star'. Stars are consistent. It doesn't mean much if Marbury 'averages' 20 a night when it's from 32 one night, then 8points and 8 points the next two. I rather have Kidd or Nash putting steaaaddy 17, then 21, then 15 points per night... always double digits... more assists, more TIMELY made baskets, and hitting big free throws.

Hmm I dont think he compares to Camby at all. Camby is a much better at rebounding/blocking shots but Camby couldnt even dream of a jumper like frye's

no no no, i wasn't referring at all to Camby as a whole, just specifically Camby's offensive ability, earlier in his career.

Ugh, Camby's shooting wrist just sucks like shaq. I call it a 'dumb' wrist... it has no touch and the arm has no 'muscle memory'. With muscle memory, your body remembers the motion and is able to repeat it. Streak shooters need to 'feel' it.

That's how Frye can knock down free throws in smooth form while other big men throw up UFOs.

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: NeoV
wow...some very good replies here, some very bad ones....

Drew Rosenhaus has nothing to do with Ron Artest.

correct, ESPN radio corrected itself afterwards, i think it was dan patrick

 

[mjh]

Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Stojakovic for Artest! Pull the trigger Petrie!

I actually think that Peja for Artest could work out for both teams.

I highly doubt the Pacers would be willing to send Artest to Cleveland. (The Pacers are going to be reluctant to trade Artest to any decent team in the east.)

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: NeoV
wow...some very good replies here, some very bad ones....

As for the Knick fanbois - your team stinks, plain and simple. Channing Frye is your only decent frontcourt player - E.Curry should be ashamed of himself - here's a tip Eddie - it's called the workout room - you may want to at least see the inside of one once before your career is over. Nice signing with Crawford Isaiah - is there a more expensive player coming off the bench in the NBA? Malik Rose? - is it that important to have an undersized power forward on your roster? How the heck do you trade Nazr Mohammed for Mailk Rose? Nate Robinson and Marbury are the starting backcourt? Wow, just wow. Good thing that Larry Brown signing is working out though.....

you gotta get bad before you get good. keep in mind, NYC sportsteams are big market teams and the mgmt resists allowing the francise go through the natural rebuild cycle as teams age and retire. They resist by patching... Just like the Yanks.

When you wanna stay in the running to dance with the prom queen and get to do so, but yr after yr you fail to actually bang her... the harder you gonna fall until you admit that you gotta rebuild and finally retool.

The Knicks have now a collection of players with bloated contracts and inconsistent role players thinking they are stars. Each one got in the league because they have NBA caliber offense, but aren't defensive players.

Kobe, Iverson, Jordan, Pippen, plays both sides of the court for ex.

Curry, Marbury(NY's FRANCHISE player 'I'm the best point guard in the league') Crawford... are so known to be unbalanced gamers... none want to up to this point perhaps with a defensive minded coach, do the dirty work and spend their game energy clamping down on their opponent.

Marbury is a PointGuard because growing up he was forced to mold into that position. He's too short to be the shooting guard which is what he wants to play as, a 'scorer'. Crazy, he has too much 'street' one on one play, not enough indoor 5 on 5 'team' basketball and making his team better charisma, feeding his teammates the rock properly for easier buckets.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: mjh

Originally posted by: sleepmachine
Stojakovic for Artest! Pull the trigger Petrie!

I actually think that Peja for Artest could work out for both teams.

I highly doubt the Pacers would be willing to send Artest to Cleveland. (The Pacers are going to be reluctant to trade Artest to any decent team in the east.)

I didn't like this trade at first but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. It is kind of like when the Kings traded for CWebb...at the time, Webb had about as bad a rep as Artest does.

just my .02