Nebraska and Oklahoma sue Colorado over marijuana legalization

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I thought the exact same thing when I saw this story. It's bizarre to me to see two Republican AGs asserting that the Supremacy Clause should trump a state's right to regulate its own affairs.
 

Genx87

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This is all sorts of convoluted. And effing stupid as ehh. How do they plan to force the federal govt to enforce its own laws?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I thought the exact same thing when I saw this story. It's bizarre to me to see two Republican AGs asserting that the Supremacy Clause should trump a state's right to regulate its own affairs.

The whole legalization process is bizarre. The Controlled Substance Act provides for both civil and criminal penalties. Whether one agrees or not the DEA has not rescheduled drugs and so Colorado might as well say that it will not permit citizens to pay federal taxes if they so wish or not follow the Civil Rights Act, or absolutely anything that Federal Law prohibits. I can't think of any other law which was so brazenly ignored by both states and the Federal government. I'm for reform of MJ laws, but I'm not a fan of "let's just ignore the law". In essence this means that all laws are just a matter of not getting caught. There is no moral validity to a system which ignores itself.
 

TechBoyJK

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The whole legalization process is bizarre. The Controlled Substance Act provides for both civil and criminal penalties. Whether one agrees or not the DEA has not rescheduled drugs and so Colorado might as well say that it will not permit citizens to pay federal taxes if they so wish or not follow the Civil Rights Act, or absolutely anything that Federal Law prohibits. I can't think of any other law which was so brazenly ignored by both states and the Federal government. I'm for reform of MJ laws, but I'm not a fan of "let's just ignore the law". In essence this means that all laws are just a matter of not getting caught. There is no moral validity to a system which ignores itself.

It's become a pariah of an issue.

It's pretty bad politics at this point to come out 'against' marijuana. So even though the state's are bucking Federal Law, not many politicians want to use this situation to trumpet Federal Supremacy. Maybe if Colorado started ignoring federal taxes outright, but legalization is something most people want to see happen, so nobody wanting to win an election is going to come out against it at this point.
 

Newell Steamer

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Ah yes - no Big Government / Feds, unless it's over something a couple of conservatives don't like or agree with.
 

Jhhnn

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The whole legalization process is bizarre. The Controlled Substance Act provides for both civil and criminal penalties. Whether one agrees or not the DEA has not rescheduled drugs and so Colorado might as well say that it will not permit citizens to pay federal taxes if they so wish or not follow the Civil Rights Act, or absolutely anything that Federal Law prohibits. I can't think of any other law which was so brazenly ignored by both states and the Federal government. I'm for reform of MJ laws, but I'm not a fan of "let's just ignore the law". In essence this means that all laws are just a matter of not getting caught. There is no moral validity to a system which ignores itself.

Desperate false equivalency, even for you.

Colorado in no way prevents its citizens from following federal marijuana law.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeh, maybe CO should sue WY over its lax fireworks laws because of the annual pilgrimage by Co residents bringing them into this state.
 
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The whole legalization process is bizarre. The Controlled Substance Act provides for both civil and criminal penalties. Whether one agrees or not the DEA has not rescheduled drugs and so Colorado might as well say that it will not permit citizens to pay federal taxes if they so wish or not follow the Civil Rights Act, or absolutely anything that Federal Law prohibits. I can't think of any other law which was so brazenly ignored by both states and the Federal government. I'm for reform of MJ laws, but I'm not a fan of "let's just ignore the law". In essence this means that all laws are just a matter of not getting caught. There is no moral validity to a system which ignores itself.

Marijuana should never have been considered illegal in the first place. It is considered less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, and actually has valid medicinal purposes.
This law is nothing more than a throwback to a time when false moral equivalency ruled the land.there is very little other reason for it.

Granted, I don't support taking drugs. But it is none of my business how someone wants to destroy their life. As long as they aren't harming others, I couldn't care less. And if they do harm others, then their are clear legal consequences, just like drunk driving.

Govt needs to quit telling people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. It is none of their business. If you don't like it, don't do it. Otherwise, butt out. This is a state issue. And other states also need to mind their own business

Rant off
 

K1052

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Conservative states suing another state by way of the supremacy clause to block it's exercise of state rights.

 

Moonbeam

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Marijuana should never have been considered illegal in the first place. It is considered less harmful than alcohol and tobacco, and actually has valid medicinal purposes.
This law is nothing more than a throwback to a time when false moral equivalency ruled the land.there is very little other reason for it.

Granted, I don't support taking drugs. But it is none of my business how someone wants to destroy their life. As long as they aren't harming others, I couldn't care less. And if they do harm others, then their are clear legal consequences, just like drunk driving.

Govt needs to quit telling people what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. It is none of their business. If you don't like it, don't do it. Otherwise, butt out. This is a state issue. And other states also need to mind their own business

Rant off

I don't let children eat ant poison even though it's a person's right to eat what they want. Folk whom society has destroyed by competition and have nothing to live for but a fleeting escape from pain can't be allowed because of that circumstance just to throw their lives away. There is logic to making some drugs illegal, in my opinion, because they will directly kill you. There is also a gray line between exploring the mind via drugs, and escape from emotional pain. It's a massively complex issue, in my opinion, and not one that can be solved by a yes or no legal switch. Like the needs of the poor, the reasons folk turn to drugs is the think we should focus on curing. We have made a total mess of the drug issue by relying of the consequence of prison to deter bad behavior, just as we would make a bigger mess of welfare if we let people sink or swim. We don't want to careen back and forth between these simplistic on off polarities.
 

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I don't let children eat ant poison even though it's a person's right to eat what they want. Folk whom society has destroyed by competition and have nothing to live for but a fleeting escape from pain can't be allowed because of that circumstance just to throw their lives away. There is logic to making some drugs illegal, in my opinion, because they will directly kill you. There is also a gray line between exploring the mind via drugs, and escape from emotional pain. It's a massively complex issue, in my opinion, and not one that can be solved by a yes or no legal switch. Like the needs of the poor, the reasons folk turn to drugs is the think we should focus on curing. We have made a total mess of the drug issue by relying of the consequence of prison to deter bad behavior, just as we would make a bigger mess of welfare if we let people sink or swim. We don't want to careen back and forth between these simplistic on off polarities.

what?

some would take if to fill an emotional void, others for fun. no different than alcohol.
 

TreVader

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Pretty weird that the two attorney general are making this their cause célèbre considering the wider political implications. Even in ruby red states like Oklahoma and Nebraska I doubt this policy is very popular.


Marijuana is more or less harmless to society and has medical benefits. Why can I buy 30 different kinds of tobacco flavored poison at any local gas station? If that's legal, pot should be too.
 

Fern

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Nebraska and Oklahoma sue Colorado over marijuana legalization

This is unsurprising, if not expected.

Ask Holland/Netherlands. The Netherlands went to great pains (i.e., expense and trouble) in an effort to keep visitors there from leaving the country to travel to France etc because those countries had a 'WOD' and complained about people bring pot in from the Netherlands.

I support Colorado's legalization but suggest they work with their neighbors, as The Netherlands did, to minimize the problems.

I'm curious what either side did to diffuse this, or if they both acted stubborn and decided to go straight to court; it is the 'American Way'.

Fern
 

zinfamous

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http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana...homa-sue-colorado-over-marijuana-legalization


Fuckers. State's rights only matter when it's their state I suppose. Glad our AG is committed to defending the law. My understanding is that Nebraska is a decrim state, so isn't their "problem" kind of self imposed?

I couldn't help but laugh when I heard this on the radio this morning.

Though, it points to a problem that always occurs when you have localize, legal "vice." You create pockets of concentrated crime (I'm a fan of MJ and legalization, but with the neutral and the good, always swarms the bad, so this must always be under consideration).

If the only way to do this is for a few states to buck the trend, and lead the way, then that seems to be the only way to do it. Personally, I think this is one of those issues that needs to be all or nothing for the entirety of this country.
 

OutHouse

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Yeh, maybe CO should sue WY over its lax fireworks laws because of the annual pilgrimage by Co residents bringing them into this state.


Holy shit! You finally posted something that was not bat shit crazy.
 

VRAMdemon

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The lawsuit is both meritless and an abandonment of the states' rights principle. The high court is unlikely to take this case too seriously, puff ---> pass
 

TreVader

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It's de-facto legal here in long beach. As long as you are not smoking while driving at the same time, and assuming you aren't black, they just give you a warning.
 
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I don't let children eat ant poison even though it's a person's right to eat what they want.

I would regulate drugs the way we would regulate alcohol - under 21 not allowed, obviously. I am talking about consenting adults.

Folk whom society has destroyed by competition and have nothing to live for but a fleeting escape from pain can't be allowed because of that circumstance just to throw their lives away.

So you believe govt should control their life because they know best? You are not going to allow someone to do with their body as they will? Do you listen to yourself?

There is logic to making some drugs illegal, in my opinion, because they will directly kill you.

So will cars. So will jumping off bridges. Are you going to ban cars and bridges also? (This would not surprise me, honestly...)
If someone wants to kill themselves, whether slowly or quick, they will find a way to do so.

There is also a gray line between exploring the mind via drugs, and escape from emotional pain. It's a massively complex issue, in my opinion, and not one that can be solved by a yes or no legal switch. Like the needs of the poor, the reasons folk turn to drugs is the think we should focus on curing. We have made a total mess of the drug issue by relying of the consequence of prison to deter bad behavior, just as we would make a bigger mess of welfare if we let people sink or swim. We don't want to careen back and forth between these simplistic on off polarities.

Why do people drink? Why do people smoke? Why do people gamble?
For a myriad of reasons. All of these are destructive to the body, and to lives in many cases. I find such people to be weak and undisciplined, which likely contributed to their situation anyway. But nevertheless, I digress.
The point is, we are all 100% responsible for our own lives and decisions. No one else is, and no one else should be.
And it is not just a class issue. There are plenty of people who are well off who take drugs recreationally, drink too much, or gamble their lives away. Take those things away, and they will probably find another way. It is not simply a matter of where you sit in the classes. It is a matter of personal choice.

It is not up to the government to prevent you from destroying your own life in whatever manner you choose. As long as they are not physically harming another person or another persons property, then they should be left in peace if that is what they choose to do.

I am not inferring that help should not be available for such people, or that we should openly condone such actions as acceptable. There are other choices, obviously. But it is up to the individual. Not you, not me, and not the government.

With individual liberty comes personal responsibility, and the consequences and rewards that come with it.
 

Theb

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He said the department burned through its yearly overtime budget in six months, mostly paying officers overtime to go to court to testify in marijuana prosecutions.

That sounds like a lot of money. It's a shame there isn't some way to avoid spending all that money on marijuana prosecutions.
 

marincounty

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First they shipped their Coors beer there, and I didn't hear any complaints.
Now they are shipping non-toxic cannabis and they are complaining?
 

Jhhnn

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The real kicker wrt cannabis legalization is DC. Should they decide to push it, we'll see pot shops in the Capital of a nation where pot is illegal with nobody to bust 'em.

Righties have an amazing ability to embrace contradiction but that may prove too much even for them. Squirm as they might, they're trapped by their own rhetoric.
 

Zorba

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Pretty weird that the two attorney general are making this their cause célèbre considering the wider political implications. Even in ruby red states like Oklahoma and Nebraska I doubt this policy is very popular.


Marijuana is more or less harmless to society and has medical benefits. Why can I buy 30 different kinds of tobacco flavored poison at any local gas station? If that's legal, pot should be too.

The Medical MJ people can't even get medical MJ on a ballot in Oklahoma, much less full legalization.
 

TechBoyJK

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This is unsurprising, if not expected.

Ask Holland/Netherlands. The Netherlands went to great pains (i.e., expense and trouble) in an effort to keep visitors there from leaving the country to travel to France etc because those countries had a 'WOD' and complained about people bring pot in from the Netherlands.

I support Colorado's legalization but suggest they work with their neighbors, as The Netherlands did, to minimize the problems.

I'm curious what either side did to diffuse this, or if they both acted stubborn and decided to go straight to court; it is the 'American Way'.

Fern

When I bought some bud in Boulder, they insisted that I absolutely do not leave the state with it as it is proper to 'respect the wishes of our neighboring states'.
 
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