NEC 8x Dual Layer DVD Burner down to $79.99

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MarthaLynn

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That's not such a dumb question - mine is dumber....

I want to keep my two current drives (DVD-R and 48x CDRW that works like a champ) and I have two HDs already so I am assuming my best (only?) option to add a 5th ATA drive is to add a PCI card. Well there sure is a large price range on such cards, even non-RAID. Like $16 low end to >$100 high end. What's the difference in these - as long as they handle ATAPI devices is one any better than the other? Any specific recomendations?
 

Muse

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Better than another? Probably. I've got Promise IDE cards. You can probably get one shipped to you under $30. I think they have a good reputation and I used to see a lot of chatter about them in the storage newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage

However, I wonder why you'd want to keep all those drives in there. Myself, I think I'll remove my DVD-Rom and CDRW, and just have the one drive. No compelling reason to have more than one, that I can think of.

BTW, folks, the price is back up to $87.00 on the black model, down to $86.00 for beige. It's an up and down world, ain't it? Just ordered the beige. Thanks for the info, folks.
 

Muse

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Installed my new 2510a the other day. What I'm wondering is if I should flash new firmware. I'm not terribly concerned about region free (but I suppose it's not a bad idea), but I'd like to remove Rip Lock, which they say reduces rip speeds to 2x. What I've read suggests that the Rip Lock will be in effect UNLESS you flash. There's 3 versions of firmware posted at http://tdb.rpc1.org/#ND2510A, and it doesn't suggest which to use, and each version contains 3 different .BIN you can flash, being "original" FW, Rip Lock removed and Riplock removed & region free (RPC1).

I'd like some feedback from others with the 2510a before messing with any of this firmware, however. I'm really a DVD burning newbie and figure I shouldn't jump into this stuff without having a good look.

I haven't tried to burn anything yet. Week ago I picked up a spindle of 25 unmarked 8x DVD+R ($29), not too bad, I guess for 8x media. I really like the vendor so I figure they like and will stand by what they sell.
 

stuman19

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Do they make a silver bezel for this drive? My case is entirely silver and it would make it look poor .
 

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Originally posted by: stuman19
Do they make a silver bezel for this drive? My case is entirely silver and it would make it look poor .

I think they might. I saw one dirve with a SVR designation at Newegg, I believe, the 2510a. I posted in one of the 2510a threads asking if that meant silver and nobody responded. Poke around at Newegg, good luck.
 

SpongeBobPalmBay

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Originally posted by: Shinare
Mine was a bare drive wrapped in bubblewrap put into a FedEx box. Heh, oh well, its still a great little drive. I have not burnt anything DL with it yet but I iwll someday soon. Like others have said above, its very nice and quiet and so far has worked flawlessly in every other respect (no DL media at my house yet but will try that out soon).

Edit: I got the Newegg extended warentt with mine which pushed up the price to $100.something.

yep, this what OEM is...
 

trikster2

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How does this drive compare to the new lite-on DL?

One thing I like about the lite-on is that it seems to be shorter, a plus for my matx case.

thanks
 

HepDude

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Reading the comments on DVD-burners at NewEgg is interesting and informative.

This comment on the Pioneer 107 was interesting (remember that commenters may actually be clueless):

works great, burns 4x -r media at 8x. pay the extra for the pioneer instead of getting the NEC, this will be able to flash upgrade to dual layer, and the pioneer creates 0 coasters. plus they have flash upgrades for this drive all the time and they keep it up to date.

Pioneer DVD players are top-notch, assuming that some of the same engineers and/or technology is involved, this could be a very good product.

[later]

According to a firmware discussion site, Pioneer is unlikely to produce a flash upgrade for the dual layer feature, since they want people to buy the upcoming 108 model.
 

Tpware

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I bought one (svr w/software) last Tuesday. Its not that I didnt any negative comments or reports of problems, but rather I read about problems with them all..

I read lite-ons were failing to read CDR after a few weeks, I read about Pioneer problems.. you name it, they all have some problems. I spent so many hours at CDfreaks and all the other sites. I just decided I was spending so much time researching it that I could have bought every drive out there and saved money. :/

Anyway, the box just showed up.. Off to burn *something*, good or bad
 

HepDude

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One aspect of the whole Dual Layer situation has not been mentioned in this thread, which is that this is only DVD+R Dual Layer. DVD-R Dual Layer won't appear until early 2005 (according to pundits).

Note that according to a test of 1,000 different players and drives, DVD-R has significantly better compatibility than DVD+R:

Compatibility results: DVD-R=96.74% DVD+R=87.32%

What this means - especially since, at this point, only a handful of people have burned a Dual Layer DVD - the added DVD+R Dual Layer capability may be less than useful, especially since it uses a format with less than perfect compatibility.

I myself was drawn to this thread, because I'd like to get a DVD burner that isn't missing some capability that will be useful in the future, but the more I research this, the less I think this particular capability is that sort of feature that makes a difference.

For example, most DVD movies now come in a case with 2 DVDs, one for the film, and the other for the special features. The fact that there are two disks instead of one is really no big inconvenience. Similarly, burning to two DVD5's, instead of one DVD9, is not going to be such a big difference - especially considering that it is going to be way cheaper to do so for at least a couple of years, if not more.

I think we are still 6 months from the "future proof" DVD burner that does both DVD-R DL as well as DVD+9 DL, so it might be better to save the $20 for a future upgrade.

[later]

After reading a bunch of messages in several forums, I think that the NEC and Pioneer burners are probably the best two units, and that the NEC 2500A is approximately equivalent to the Pioneer 107D, simply due to the fact that not one can make a convincing claim that one is better than the other. So, the 2500A is better simply by being about $20 less. And, for the reasons above, the 2510A is not worth $20 more either.

So, I ordered an NEC 2500A for $68.99 shipped from NewEgg. The bonus is that you can download an unofficial, warranty-voiding firmware upgrade that will add Dual Layer capability to it, which I will download and save for the probably unlikely day that I end up wanting to burn a Dual Layer DVD at 2.4x for a similar cost to a pre-recorded DVD movie. Just having that file is just as good "future proofing" as buying the 2510A with the lens factory-adjusted for DL, since DL will be impractical for a long time to come.
 

Johnbear007

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It's 20$ and you get to keep your warranty.

Seems like WAY to much agonizing research and consideration for 20$
 

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Originally posted by: Tpware
I bought one (svr w/software) last Tuesday. Its not that I didnt any negative comments or reports of problems, but rather I read about problems with them all..

I read lite-ons were failing to read CDR after a few weeks, I read about Pioneer problems.. you name it, they all have some problems. I spent so many hours at CDfreaks and all the other sites. I just decided I was spending so much time researching it that I could have bought every drive out there and saved money. :/

Anyway, the box just showed up.. Off to burn *something*, good or bad

I assume you got the NEC 2510a? Please let us know how you make out. Are you using stock firmware or are you "experimenting" with some of the alternative firmware out there? Thanks.
 

Tpware

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Please let us know how you make out.

well, last night I picked up a few TDK 4x +Rs at Staples (10 for $12 - wasnt ready to commit to 50pk, dont know what would work in my player) and threw some TV captured mpeg1 files togeither. Burned with Nero Vision. It was all very very easy. Worked flawlessly. Pretty happy at the moment.
 

HepDude

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Originally posted by: Johnbear007
It's 20$ and you get to keep your warranty.

Seems like WAY to much agonizing research and consideration for 20$

Either way, I'm going to use Herrie's firmware, in order to burn quality media at the faster speeds that they can support. So, the warranty is not an issue either way.

The research is not for saving $20, it's to prevent hours of headaches that come from buying a product that doesn't work properly or fit my needs.

BTW, NewEgg is down to $65 on the beige 2500A.

(Do they refund the difference on price changes that occur prior to shipping?)
 

imported_nitrus

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i got the silver drive for the same price 84.99 and the chenpro dvd rack, after all was said and donr it was 84.99 shipped, the rack is free.
 

bikman

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Originally posted by: HepDude
Originally posted by: Johnbear007
It's 20$ and you get to keep your warranty.

Seems like WAY to much agonizing research and consideration for 20$

Either way, I'm going to use Herrie's firmware, in order to burn quality media at the faster speeds that they can support. So, the warranty is not an issue either way.

The research is not for saving $20, it's to prevent hours of headaches that come from buying a product that doesn't work properly or fit my needs.

BTW, NewEgg is down to $65 on the beige 2500A.

(Do they refund the difference on price changes that occur prior to shipping?)


from newegg:
"The price of an item I purchased has dropped prior to shipment. Is it possible to get a refund of the difference?

Newegg.com does not offer any price guarantee. The prices in our industry change too often, too fast, for us to offer any such guarantee. If the order has not shipped, you can cancel the order and replace online to take advantage of the new prices. All prices are as is, at the time of sale. "
 

vroom1810

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I, too, am wondering if the new DL media can be purchased somewhere online yet. Anyone know? thanks
 

Dacalo

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I still have my Plextor 16x CD burner.

I have been waiting until DVD burning becomes more standardized...

This is so tempting!
 

RobCur

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Originally posted by: Dacalo
I still have my Plextor 16x CD burner.

I have been waiting until DVD burning becomes more standardized...

This is so tempting!

tempting?! LMAO.
 

Muse

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Originally posted by: RobCur
Originally posted by: Dacalo
I still have my Plextor 16x CD burner.

I have been waiting until DVD burning becomes more standardized...

This is so tempting!

tempting?! LMAO.
Go ahead, LYAO, assbite. :disgust:

Burned 2 DVD+Rs with my new 2510a so far, one movie one data. Both came out perfect. "He who laughes last, laughs best!"
 
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