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skull

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I heard from the apartment office mentioning about reporting or submitting to court for not paying the rent on time... sounds very cruel, ruthless, and merciless to me. That's why I fear I go to jail if that happens? I want to get out of my apartment as soon as possible. The lease expires on July 20. Tomorrow I'm going to go cancel the renewal...so I can get out. I want to get out of the apartment even sooner than that cause I can't pay the rent... I'll probably get late again and charge me huge fines.

I'm a bit concerned if it will affect my background if I don't pay bills at all. They gonna sue me or hand over to the collectors agencies. Wouldn't this cause problems me getting a job when the employer does a background check on me?

You can't go to jail for civil cases. Even if you could jail is better than living in the woods anyway. At least there its warm, dry and you get 3 meals a day. All that happens is you get sued they win in court and get a judgement against you. They can use that judgement to garnish your wages. Which they are limited to how much they can take so they can't steal your whole paycheck. Wage garnishment takes awhile any way so the way you go through jobs they'll never have time to get it in place at that particular employer before you get fired. Then they have to start the process all over again at the next employer. Credit background checks only matter for higher skilled jobs. If everyone with bad credit/judgements was kept from working there would be no low skilled workers.

The judgements only start to matter if you get your life back together start getting real money in your savings account and go to buy a house and such. If you get your shit together file bankruptcy before you start saving a bunch of money and the judgements go away.

All thats only if you get sued, if it just goes to collections its all good as they can't garnish your wages. They have to sue and get a judgement for that.
 

skull

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And again why won't you go to the appropriate government agency for help on your rent?
 

cheez

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$500? Are you including the wood?
Yeah including wood and wood stove in a shed. I wasn't looking for a professional job... any whack job would do... cause I can't afford hundreds of dollars. $500 was max but I don't think I can even spend that much cause I don't want to keep taking money out from my credit card.. maybe $250 I might do.. If I can get it down that low then I won't have to live in a tent... I'm planning on spending $250~$280 for a tent.

The OP is a troll. He has an excuse for not doing anything that is recommended.
I'm not being a troll. I'm not trying to find excuse to not follow people's recommendations it's just that they either don't apply to me or they already failed to work. I am in a weird situation many people may have hard time accepting that.

You can't go to jail for civil cases. Even if you could jail is better than living in the woods anyway. At least there its warm, dry and you get 3 meals a day. All that happens is you get sued they win in court and get a judgement against you. They can use that judgement to garnish your wages. Which they are limited to how much they can take so they can't steal your whole paycheck. Wage garnishment takes awhile any way so the way you go through jobs they'll never have time to get it in place at that particular employer before you get fired. Then they have to start the process all over again at the next employer. Credit background checks only matter for higher skilled jobs. If everyone with bad credit/judgements was kept from working there would be no low skilled workers.

The judgements only start to matter if you get your life back together start getting real money in your savings account and go to buy a house and such. If you get your shit together file bankruptcy before you start saving a bunch of money and the judgements go away.

All thats only if you get sued, if it just goes to collections its all good as they can't garnish your wages. They have to sue and get a judgement for that.
Thanks for the very helpful information... Good to know that it's not easy to go to jail. Yeah many years ago I heard from a lawyer that it costs a lot of money for the government to jail people as jail buildings and spaces are running out. They give you meal 3 times a day?? oh wow that's luxury... Thanks for the info on the legal stuff on credit background, judgment, etc..

And again why won't you go to the appropriate government agency for help on your rent?
I don't know how to apply for it and never tried it before... I heard that Jesus doesn't want us to receive welfare checks from the government. He might not like me doing that. But I did think about it. This is something hard for me to decide. I thought I would be at peace moving out to the wilderness.
 
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skull

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Thanks for the very helpful information... Good to know that it's not easy to go to jail. Yeah many years ago I heard from a lawyer that it costs a lot of money for the government to jail people as jail buildings and spaces are running out. They give you meal 3 times a day?? oh wow that's luxury... Thanks for the info on the legal stuff on credit background, judgment, etc..


I don't know how to apply for it and never tried it before... I heard that Jesus doesn't want us to receive welfare checks from the government. He might not like me doing that. But I did think about it. This is something hard for me to decide. I thought I would be at peace moving out to the wilderness.

3 meals a day and you'd have an actual bathroom and shower. Debtors prison went away a long time ago though. Its not because theres no room in jails its because its inhumane to lock someone up for debt plus they can't make the money to pay you back if they're locked up.

If I remember right your in nap town I'd start here https://www.in.gov/fssa/ there are a lot of offices in marion county so you'll have to find the one closest to you. Just go see a case worker and tell them what your telling us, they can point you in the right direction. From the way you talk about Jesus I wonder if its not the devil in disguise. Why would Jesus not want you to get help?
 
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skull

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Ask them about employment opportunities too they can help you there too.
 

WelshBloke

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Yeah including wood and wood stove in a shed. I wasn't looking for a professional job... any whack job would do... cause I can't afford hundreds of dollars. $500 was max but I don't think I can even spend that much cause I don't want to keep taking money out from my credit card.. maybe $250 I might do.. If I can get it down that low then I won't have to live in a tent... I'm planning on spending $250~$280 for a tent.

While I dont want to encourage you, if you are going to do it learn to make a bender. All you need is some tarps and some freshly cut saplings.
I lived in one for about 6 months once, with a wood burner in.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Easiest way to make it in jail in the states is computer or intellectual property related crime. They take it more seriously than murder and other actual real crimes.

Just download too many PDF files off a university network by plugging into a switch in a wiring closet that is left open. Aaron Swartz was about to face something like 50 years for that.
 

lxskllr

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I'll take the woods over jail any day. I'm half inclined to take it anyway. Of course, I can take care of myself pretty well, and could build a shack for almost $0. OP has zero useful skills that I can determine, and would be eaten by wild dogs or other humans in <week.
 

skull

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LOL! I can't believe you still go around saying this BS.

Don't mind red squirrel he lives in fantasy land where america is a war zone, taxes/expenses go up 10% a year(any day now he won't be able to afford to live) and you go to prison for life for having mp3s.
 

zinfamous

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Don't mind red squirrel he lives in fantasy land where america is a war zone, taxes/expenses go up 10% a year(any day now he won't be able to afford to live) and you go to prison for life for having mp3s.

to be fair, this kind of thinking is natural for the type of person that believes living under a 10 foot snowbank for 70% of the year is proper.
 

ultimatebob

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I don't have the knowledge or experience to build shed. I don't do any wood work, especially the structure... you need special tools to do that.

Here is a youtube video of bunkhouse.. but even this is too good for me. I don't have to have windows. I just need a door, and wood stove installed on the wall...with outlet pipe running through the wall.

Start watching at 3:30 mark

The "having your own sawmill" part is probably going to be a problem for Cheez. I guess that he can scavenge some old 2x4's to build it.

So, maybe he can sell some of those $2,000 audio cables he got awhile back and buy the lumber that way.
 
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Red Squirrel

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You guys obviously did not look at my link before resorting to personal attacks and name calling.

https://thinkprogress.org/aaron-swa...-slave-dealers-and-bank-robbers-8b19a32e4ec5/

There is tons of info online on Aaron Swartz. The US government always wants to give huge sentences for this sort of thing "to show an example" it's ridiculous.

Also remember Kevin Mitnick? He went through the same kind of thing. He got "lucky" that they made a deal for him to work for them but he was in a maximum security prison for a while.

Or Kim Dotcom. He did not even pirate or hack anything, he just made a platform that somewhat enabled it. They went as far as extraditing him from his country.

My point was just to say how easy it is to land in jail if you want free room and board, not that it's a good idea to do that... would rather live in the bush then in jail.
 
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cheez

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3 meals a day and you'd have an actual bathroom and shower. Debtors prison went away a long time ago though. Its not because theres no room in jails its because its inhumane to lock someone up for debt plus they can't make the money to pay you back if they're locked up.
I thought they only have public shower room and not one inside in your own jail room. I heard stories of guys get raped by guys in pubic bathroom. I thought this is typical thing to happen in jail which is why I'm so afraid of going there.

If I remember right your in nap town I'd start here https://www.in.gov/fssa/ there are a lot of offices in marion county so you'll have to find the one closest to you. Just go see a case worker and tell them what your telling us, they can point you in the right direction. From the way you talk about Jesus I wonder if its not the devil in disguise. Why would Jesus not want you to get help?
If I tell them my story they gonna thing I'm mental... I'm not comfortable getting financial help from the government... I might do it as a very last resort but I made up my mind going out live in the wilderness..


While I dont want to encourage you, if you are going to do it learn to make a bender. All you need is some tarps and some freshly cut saplings.
I lived in one for about 6 months once, with a wood burner in.
Thanks. But I fear about bugs... I don't want ants come inside.. the tent I'm planning to get is Snugpak Tactical Bunker shelter tent. It does good job keeping the bugs out, it's got ventilation, and is a 4-season and does good job in the rain and snow.
 

Micrornd

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You guys obviously did not look at my link
I looked at your link, and it is just another case of revisionist history.

To be accurate, in 2011 he downloaded almost 5 million documents from MIT's subscription based JSTOR database that he knowingly had only limited guest privileges' to.
He faced federal charges under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and Mass. State charges also because he illegally physically connected directly to their network.
He did connect in an unmarked wiring closet knowing that making that connection, alone, was a federal offense.

The federal prosecutor was heavily criticized, but was following the law, which was changed after Swartz committed suicide.
Changing the law satisfied the legislature and public outrage, but if those changes were in place when he was arrested, it would have only made a minor difference in the number of federal counts Swartz was charged with and not what he was charged with.

Swartz had made a small fortune from his prior work with RSS and in several other areas and could easily have afforded to subscribe to the JSTOR data base (which was quite expensive at the time) and downloaded the journals and documents legally.
To this day no one knows why he did what he did the way he did it, but it is pretty universally agreed that he knew at the time what he was doing was against federal and state laws.

BTW - it was 35 years on Federal charges (11 counts) and 5 years on state charges (2 counts) to be served concurrently as the maximum + required-by-law restitution, which was knocked down to a plea deal of 6 months in low-security federal detention, no state charges and minor restitution (offered by the prosecutor), which he turned down to take his chances in court, while his defense lawyers were still negotiating for a better deal and then he hung himself.
It was not well known at the time, but several of his closest friends later admitted he had mental health issues that had not been dealt with, while other close friends deny he had any problems.

All the above is verifiable by simply looking at public records and copies of newspapers of the times, yet like your link, some sites still try to make a legend out of someone that had a great life and career and then decided to commit a crime. After his death it was also revealed that he had obtained a database from the Library of Congress illegally 7 years earlier and the prosecutor of his case had decided not to pursue that because of statute of limitations vagaries.

So can we put this to rest now or at least move it to the correct forum?
 

Red Squirrel

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I looked at your link, and it is just another case of revisionist history.

To be accurate, in 2011 he downloaded almost 5 million documents from MIT's subscription based JSTOR database that he knowingly had only limited guest privileges' to.
He faced federal charges under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and Mass. State charges also because he illegally physically connected directly to their network.
He did connect in an unmarked wiring closet knowing that making that connection, alone, was a federal offense.

The federal prosecutor was heavily criticized, but was following the law, which was changed after Swartz committed suicide.
Changing the law satisfied the legislature and public outrage, but if those changes were in place when he was arrested, it would have only made a minor difference in the number of federal counts Swartz was charged with and not what he was charged with.

Swartz had made a small fortune from his prior work with RSS and in several other areas and could easily have afforded to subscribe to the JSTOR data base (which was quite expensive at the time) and downloaded the journals and documents legally.
To this day no one knows why he did what he did the way he did it, but it is pretty universally agreed that he knew at the time what he was doing was against federal and state laws.

BTW - it was 35 years on Federal charges (11 counts) and 5 years on state charges (2 counts) to be served concurrently as the maximum + required-by-law restitution, which was knocked down to a plea deal of 6 months in low-security federal detention, no state charges and minor restitution (offered by the prosecutor), which he turned down to take his chances in court, while his defense lawyers were still negotiating for a better deal and then he hung himself.
It was not well known at the time, but several of his closest friends later admitted he had mental health issues that had not been dealt with, while other close friends deny he had any problems.

All the above is verifiable by simply looking at public records and copies of newspapers of the times, yet like your link, some sites still try to make a legend out of someone that had a great life and career and then decided to commit a crime. After his death it was also revealed that he had obtained a database from the Library of Congress illegally 7 years earlier and the prosecutor of his case had decided not to pursue that because of statute of limitations vagaries.

So can we put this to rest now or at least move it to the correct forum?


So my point stands and everyone jumped on me for no reason. It's easy to go to jail for a long time in the states by doing a petty crime. But anyway that's off topic.
 

Micrornd

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So my point stands and everyone jumped on me for no reason. It's easy to go to jail for a long time in the states by doing a petty crime. But anyway that's off topic.
I'm assuming comprehension is not a Canadian thing?

Your point has nothing to do with what he did.
He physically connected a computer to a network that was not his.
He then stole documents that did not belong to him and that he was not authorized to access.
He knowingly committed felonies in violation of federal laws.

So lets see, he was facing a maximum of 35 years on 11 counts of federal law violation and 5 years on 2 counts of state violations and was offered 6 months confinement instead.

Under Canadian cybercrimes laws he could have been facing 110 years (10 years maximum per count) on federal charges plus 2 counts of B&E for 20 years (10 years maximum per count)

Tell you what, waltz on down to your local police station with your computer, plug it into their network and then access and download financial compensation records for province employees and see what happens.
I'm willing to bet, even in the Great White, you go to jail for a good long time.

At least take the time to know your own laws.
 
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So my point stands and everyone jumped on me for no reason. It's easy to go to jail for a long time in the states by doing a petty crime. But anyway that's off topic.

Did you miss the part where he turned down the 6 months plea deal? He would of never done 50 years you nut but we don't know that because the pussy was scared of 6 months and killed himself.
 
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skull

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I thought they only have public shower room and not one inside in your own jail room. I heard stories of guys get raped by guys in pubic bathroom. I thought this is typical thing to happen in jail which is why I'm so afraid of going there.



If I tell them my story they gonna thing I'm mental... I'm not comfortable getting financial help from the government... I might do it as a very last resort but I made up my mind going out live in the wilderness..



Thanks. But I fear about bugs... I don't want ants come inside.. the tent I'm planning to get is Snugpak Tactical Bunker shelter tent. It does good job keeping the bugs out, it's got ventilation, and is a 4-season and does good job in the rain and snow.

You worry too much, the whole jail rape thing is exaggerated, in my county jail you have a public private stall on the pod. The old jail I did a few days in before they closed it down, had the open gym locker room style showers. I stripped down and hopped in and didn't have any problems.

Thats the point they'll get you the help in you need. Again you worry to much they're not going to have you committed. Can't say I blame you I have a thing about taking hand outs too but I also have a thing with failure. So if you won't take a hand out, don't take failure as a matter of course and go live in the woods. Fight the demons out of your head they don't exist, get a job and stay in a nice cozy apartment.
 

Red Squirrel

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Did you miss the part where he turned down the 6 months plea deal? He would of never done 50 years you nut but we don't know that because the pussy was scared of 6 months and killed himself.

There's a CHANCE he was not going to do the time. It probably would have been reduced but still be a long time.

But my original point was if one actually WANTS to go to jail, it's very easy to do. If you keep your right to remain silent and just roll with it, you'll more or less do a big chunk of your life.

Of course I would not recommend trying to get into jail. You think the woods is a harsh environment... jail is even worse. It's a survival of the fittest type of environment, it's you vs everyone else. Though if you are lucky and can get accepted into a "clan" then you at least have some protection to a certain degree. The guards are the ultimate bullies though. And they have guns, and fighting back will extend your sentence, so you just take whatever they give you and shut up.
 

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The guards in American jails get a bonus for each prisoner they beat every day. The bloodier they beat them, the bigger the bonus. How else will prisoners ever learn not to commit crimes?
 

Greenman

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I thought they only have public shower room and not one inside in your own jail room. I heard stories of guys get raped by guys in pubic bathroom. I thought this is typical thing to happen in jail which is why I'm so afraid of going there.


If I tell them my story they gonna thing I'm mental... I'm not comfortable getting financial help from the government... I might do it as a very last resort but I made up my mind going out live in the wilderness..



Thanks. But I fear about bugs... I don't want ants come inside.. the tent I'm planning to get is Snugpak Tactical Bunker shelter tent. It does good job keeping the bugs out, it's got ventilation, and is a 4-season and does good job in the rain and snow.
Every possible solution to your problems is dismissed as unworkable. Every piece of advice you're handed doesn't address your unique situation. The obvious solution is to do nothing, as that's the solution you're looking for.
Good luck in the woods, in the extremely unlikely event that you do move there, you won't last a week, as survival requires that you take action.
 
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WelshBloke

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Good luck in the woods, in the extremely unlikely event that you do move there, you won't last a week, as survival requires that you take action.

Seriously. It is hard fucking work being homeless in an organized way. You spend all your time cutting wood for fuel, collecting water, making sure your shelter is sound. After that its finding food. And theres the constant risk that everything you have is going to be taken, that the authorities will trash it all and arrest you, that some fucking nutter will buddy up to you.
 

JEDIYoda

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At least if you can get into a prison you would have protection and become somebodys buddie who will protect and watch out for you!!
 
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