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SuperjetMatt

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You are mistaken... The Desert Eagle currently is for sale in .357 magnum, .44 magnum, and .50 "Action Express". As far as I know there never was a .44 action express... both the .44 and .357 are rimmed cartridges. The .50 action express actually has the same rim diameter as a .44 magnum

I think you have no idea what you are talking about.
50AE vs 44Mag. Tell me which cartridge is rimmed.



Do you know what rimmed vs semi-rimmed vs rimless actually means?
 
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I think you have no idea what you are talking about.
50AE vs 44Mag. Tell me which cartridge is rimmed.



Do you know what rimmed vs semi-rimmed vs rimless actually means?

Read what he wrote, they have the same rim diameter (this is entirely correct and you just proved it with that picture).

Now, since the DE does fire both .44mag which IS rimmed and .357mag which is also rimmed it is established that you CAN fire rimmed cartridges in a semi-auto.

Does your mind kick into selective reading when you don't want to be wrong? If so, that is your problem because he was quite clear.

So it is indeed possible to use rimmed cartridges in a semi auto, it could be done with the .454 but it's impractical for other reasons which he already explained to you.
 

SuperjetMatt

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I stand corrected, I apologize.

Rimmed cartridges in a semi-auto are extremely rare, however, and do not work well.
 
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I stand corrected, I apologize.

Rimmed cartridges in a semi-auto are extremely rare, however, and do not work well.

I honestly don't think you are qualified to state how well it works since you did your damndest to deny they even exist.

Do you have ANYTHING that backs that contention up?

I'll agree that it is rare though.
 

SuperjetMatt

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So how many different models of semi-auto handguns DO exist that fire rimmed cartridges?

There's a good reason you don't see very many non-50AE Desert Eagles around.
I have used the 44Mag DE before and it had feeding issues.
I stated that none of the AE cartridges are rimmed. That is correct and I stand by it.
Prove me wrong, please.
 

Zebo

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So how many different models of semi-auto handguns DO exist that fire rimmed cartridges?

There's a good reason you don't see very many non-50AE Desert Eagles around.
I have used the 44Mag DE before and it had feeding issues.
I stated that none of the AE cartridges are rimmed. That is correct and I stand by it.
Prove me wrong, please.

The reason is magazine stacking nothing to do with extraction.
 
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So how many different models of semi-auto handguns DO exist that fire rimmed cartridges?

There's a good reason you don't see very many non-50AE Desert Eagles around.
I have used the 44Mag DE before and it had feeding issues.
I stated that none of the AE cartridges are rimmed. That is correct and I stand by it.
Prove me wrong, please.

First of all, you said that rimmed cartridges were and impossibility in a semi auto, now you say you have fired one?

Second, you made the contention, you'll need to prove that you are right, i am not disagreeing with you, i really don't know but you claim to know.

I do believe the .45 is the most popular version of the DE, so it would probably be rarer to see .50 versions than non .50 versions?

No one has ever stated that the AE cartridges are rimmed so why would anyone try to prove you wrong on something no one has even argued about?
 

alkemyst

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here is the fucking thing with the ultra compacts that most bitches here can't accept....

they are made to be as hidden as possible (license or not, someone knowing you are packing = uncomfortable situations).

they are made to be the means to the end of a personal fubar situation not for comfort or ergonomics.

If you are of decent build instead of a beanpole you can conceal a decent sized gun usually and not have issues. Most I know using compacts or smaller are women whose frame doesn't tend to hide a weapon.

Pump a few rounds through your concealed, pump a lot of rounds through the rest of your collection. Learn how to shoot and think about how you would be shooting in a 'situation'.

rinse and repeat.
 
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here is the fucking thing with the ultra compacts that most bitches here can't accept....

they are made to be as hidden as possible (license or not, someone knowing you are packing = uncomfortable situations).

they are made to be the means to the end of a personal fubar situation not for comfort or ergonomics.

If you are of decent build instead of a beanpole you can conceal a decent sized gun usually and not have issues. Most I know using compacts or smaller are women whose frame doesn't tend to hide a weapon.

Pump a few rounds through your concealed, pump a lot of rounds through the rest of your collection. Learn how to shoot and think about how you would be shooting in a 'situation'.

rinse and repeat.

Please fucking don't play warrior and try to figure out how to react in such a situation.

Don't mess around with a lot of guns, get yourself one and stick with that, get used to it.

Learn how it works and keep it in good shape, then lock it in a fucking gun safe and move away from Kabul or whatever war zone you think you are living in.
 

HannibalX

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to be even more specific. The instructor had us doing a drill whereby we were yanking back the slide while lifting the slide stop with our thumb to lock it in the open position. lifting the slide-stop is what she had a hard time with. Something a little smaller would make a difference as would a lot more practice...

You don't become an expert at this overnight. It takes practice. Changing the gun (assuming another auto) won't change her ability. Practice makes perfect. Guns are not comfortable and are not designed to be.
 

alkemyst

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Please fucking don't play warrior and try to figure out how to react in such a situation.

Don't mess around with a lot of guns, get yourself one and stick with that, get used to it.

Learn how it works and keep it in good shape, then lock it in a fucking gun safe and move away from Kabul or whatever war zone you think you are living in.

guns can be fun. You are/were a soldier right?

I live in Palm Beach. Guns are a needed thing...

Personally I don't own one yet. However, I am at the cusp of 40 soon. I will need a equalizer soon.
 
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guns can be fun. You are/were a soldier right?

I live in Palm Beach. Guns are a needed thing...

Personally I don't own one yet. However, I am at the cusp of 40 soon. I will need a equalizer soon.

Yeah, still am.

I do have some guns at home but the active parts are all in a gun safe.

If i ever felt i would need a gun handy to defend my home, i would move away from there.

That might not mean much when you live on the outskirts of Sheffield but i haven't always lived here, i used to live in Brixton.

I'm still recommending the P226 for a handgun, it's just a robust gun that will last a LONG time.

I doubt you'll find anyone who has extensive experience with handguns who will say otherwise.
 

Nebor

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If i ever felt i would need a gun handy to defend my home, i would move away from there.

Now that's a warrior spirit. When things get tough, run. Don't hold your ground and fight.

I think you've sold this entire forum a line of bs on you being some kind of secret squirrel high speed low drag operator. You post on the internet way too much, you talk about being high speed too much, you make ridiculous claims regarding your firearm proficiency (quarter sized groups at 700m,) and you claim to own weapons that are entirely illegal for anyone in England to have in their home.
 
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Now that's a warrior spirit. When things get tough, run. Don't hold your ground and fight.

I think you've sold this entire forum a line of bs on you being some kind of secret squirrel high speed low drag operator. You post on the internet way too much, you talk about being high speed too much, you make ridiculous claims regarding your firearm proficiency (quarter sized groups at 700m,) and you claim to own weapons that are entirely illegal for anyone in England to have in their home.

Not you again... *sigh*

Actually, an 8 gauge or even a 4 gauge are not illegal, nor are fully automatic carbines.

What you do need is a license but you can get that for more things in the UK than you can in the US, go right ahead and check it up, it shouldn't be too hard to do.

It doesn't matter in this discussion though, i stand by my statement, if you need a loaded gun to feel safe, either you are a pussy or you are living in a war zone.

Are we clear, the little soldier who couldn't?
 

alkemyst

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yeah, still am.

I do have some guns at home but the active parts are all in a gun safe.

If i ever felt i would need a gun handy to defend my home, i would move away from there.

That might not mean much when you live on the outskirts of sheffield but i haven't always lived here, i used to live in brixton.

I'm still recommending the p226 for a handgun, it's just a robust gun that will last a long time.

I doubt you'll find anyone who has extensive experience with handguns who will say otherwise.

ytmnd!
 

Nebor

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Not you again... *sigh*

Actually, an 8 gauge or even a 4 gauge are not illegal, nor are fully automatic carbines.

What you do need is a license but you can get that for more things in the UK than you can in the US, go right ahead and check it up, it shouldn't be too hard to do.

It doesn't matter in this discussion though, i stand by my statement, if you need a loaded gun to feel safe, either you are a pussy or you are living in a war zone.

Are we clear, the little soldier who couldn't?

Fully automatic carbines. Hah. The Secretary of State's authority is required to possess one.
Prohibited weapons. These are the most
dangerous types of weapons, the most attractive
to criminals and subject to the most rigorous
controls. The Secretary of State’s authority is
required to possess them. The Home Office
only grants this to people with a legitimate
need. Prohibited weapons include handguns,
machine guns, sub-machine guns, most selfloading
rifles, short-barrelled “assault shot
guns”, gas and pepper sprays and stun guns;
 

classy

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Exactly, everyone needs at least a gun to protect themselves with.

Imagine going to the grocery store without being armed, that is just incredibly scary.

LOL. Yea, I gotta go to pick up the kid from the playground, honey can you pass me the AR-15. I tell you those 9 year olds are getting tough nowadays. Ooops, I almost forgot, hand me my Desert Eagle there on the end table. Thanks, I need this for the bus driver.
 
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Fully automatic carbines. Hah. The Secretary of State's authority is required to possess one.

Actually, you don't need his direct authorisation, it's granted to everyone in the service (in full service, not in training or reserves, they don't even count).

I'm personally responsible for my weapons and i don't check them in even when i am on an American base.
 
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LOL. Yea, I gotta go to pick up the kid from the playground, honey can you pass me the AR-15. I tell you those 9 year olds are getting tough nowadays. Ooops, I almost forgot, hand me my Desert Eagle there on the end table. Thanks, I need this for the bus driver.

You forgot your Tavor, it's always good to have in short to middle range battles with other grocery shoppers.
 

GasX

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Another gun you might want to look at is the "Judge" its from tauras I think.
It shots 410 shotgun rounds as well as .45 long colt loads . Loaded with .410 shells this revolver would be a fine home defense weapon . Cheap too . Any women can shoot this gun , .410 rounds come in mild to wild . p.s. Classy has a point , that dog will die defending your wife .

I have an 85lb husky shepherd mutt who is on duty 24/7.
 

Nebor

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Actually, you don't need his direct authorisation, it's granted to everyone in the service (in full service, not in training or reserves, they don't even count).

I'm personally responsible for my weapons and i don't check them in even when i am on an American base.

I can't find any reference to this allowance in UK law, and as a former FFL and a soldier, that sounds crazy to me. Can you show me where this is allowed in law? I can't find any evidence of any UK .mil bringing their weapons home via google. Seeing as how a single pistol flown in from a foreign country required a full police escort, I don't see them allowing soldiers (who the UK public distrust and disrespect frequently) to take full automatic weapons to their homes. In fact it sounds like lunacy to allow soldiers to take sensitive items like that home with them. Particularly if you're at all familiar with how the US military handles weapons.
 
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I can't find any reference to this allowance in UK law, and as a former FFL and a soldier, that sounds crazy to me. Can you show me where this is allowed in law? I can't find any evidence of any UK .mil bringing their weapons home via google. Seeing as how a single pistol flown in from a foreign country required a full police escort, I don't see them allowing soldiers (who the UK public distrust and disrespect frequently) to take full automatic weapons to their homes. In fact it sounds like lunacy to allow soldiers to take sensitive items like that home with them. Particularly if you're at all familiar with how the US military handles weapons.

Did you read my previous post, the active parts are not in the weapon, it's kept separate at all times until assembly is required.

You know, you seem like a reasonable man and i think we got off on the wrong foot initially so for you i'll see what information i can find and present to you.

We are hardarses when it comes to weapons in the UK, except in some cases, this is one of those cases.

I can assure you that when i go home for Christmas, i will lock the active parts of my G3, my 870 and my P226 in the gun locker at home.

I think i did misspeak earlier though, privates are under command who are responsible for their weapons, those stay on base until it's needed that they do not.

There are no privates in my unit.

I am familiar with how the US mil handles weapons (i am on a US base right now) and i know full well what the protocol is. Not even small arms are allowed for anyone in the area unless otherwise commanded.
 
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