Need a new CPU, Intel 700e or 800e?

OUCH

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Hi I'm in the market for a new CPU, I'm looking into 700e and 800e and was wondering which one of these can hit 1gig easily.

Oh and was wondering if any of you guys can suggest a good web site where it's almost guaranteed to get a cc0 without paying for an arm and a leg, to purchase one of this big, bad mommas.

Let me know, thanks in advance
 

Sunny129

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while most people say that OCing is just in the luck of the chip, statistics do show that the 700e is a better OCer than the 800e. now the 700e isnt guaranteed to hit 1 GHz, let alone 933 mHz, but i've heard so many success stories with the OCing of the 700e. you're just going to have to chance it or buy a pretested CPU. dont expect the 800e to perform any better...in fact, expect it to perform no better than the 700e, if not a bit worse. i would be hesitant to say that the 800e is not a good OCer, but many people do have that opinion. i can OC my 700e to 1.1 GHz, but that takes some extra voltage, so i usually run it @ 1050 mHz since i can leave it @ 1.7v and still have a rock solid system. as far as finding a store or website that guarantees customers a cC0 when they ask for it, there are no such places. i got mine from Compuwiz1 here in the forums. doing business with him was a pleasure, so if you're seriously interested in a cC0, private message or email him. you'll find his info here if you look up his name. i also hear that Bonkers325 sells CPUs of the sort...good luck in your quest for a new CPU
 

OUCH

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Hey thanks for replying people. Right now my current set up is as follows

a P3-500e OCed to 750 with an Alpha PEP66 and an Artic Silver
an ASUS P3B-F
Geforce 2 64
IBM 60gb 75GXP
IBM 30gb 75GXP
a Mushkin Rev2 128megs of RAM

There you go, so I know hitting 145 or 150fsb is no problem with this system... Oh and another thing, I was hoping to do Air Cooled, since I really don't wanna invest money on Peltier or any of those cooling device. I just want to replace my 500e with something that can easily hit 1gig
 

Sunny129

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well since you would really like to air cool your CPU, let me mention that my 700e @ 1.1 GHz is air cooled by a Gorb. CPU idle temp was about 32-34C (w/ an ambient case temp of 26-28C). a full load was about 38-39C. pretty good for air cooling. but if there is one thing i regret, its not getting an alpha or GlobalWin instead. i know my temps are fine with the Gorb, but i know i could do better with one of the others.
 

OUCH

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Hey Sunny, what voltage are you running? And where did you get your CPU from? I need one ASAP, I can't be computerless for too long or I will go LOCO
 

peemo

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Forget about the greatest % overclock. What are the expected top speeds (air cooled) for PIII700E, PIII800E, PII850E? Which are more likely to be cC0 at this time? If you want ot hit 1GHz, aren't you better off starting with a faster chip and overclocking a bit less (ignoring the performance bonus of higher AGP bus speed with a more drastic OC)?
 

Sunny129

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i agree w/ bonkers...we are some of the very few who got their 700e to 1.1 GHz (mine only hits 1092 mHz, but i figure thats colse enough to round up to 1 GHz). but my point with that statement wasnt to lay down a guaranteed speed. it was just to show how air cooling is sufficient for me.

OUCH, it takes 1.9v to hit 1.1 GHz, but i can leave the voltage at 1.7v (default for the cC0) while running @ 1050 mHz and my system is completely stable.

peemo, its like i said b4, OCing is gambling...its the luck of the chip (unless you get a pretested CPU that you know will hit a certain speed), which is why your question about top speeds is extremely hard to answer. let me say this...i've heard many many stories of people getting their 700e's to 1 GHz or higher. i have also heard many stories of people being disappointed b/c their 700e would only do 980 mHz or 933 mHz. and i have yet heard other stories of those who cant get their 700e's to 933 mHz, or even 866 mHz. so its like i said, its the luck of the chip. if you would like, there is a website (i think its overclockers.com...i dont know, i've never been there) that has tables of statistical OCs. the most common for the 700e is 933 mHz if that helps any. i dont know about the 800e's and 850's. now starting with a higher CPU and OCing a little is fairly successful w/ AMD Thunderbirds from the stories i hear. you'll notice people OCing their T-bird 1 GHz to 1.2 GHz no problem, but i dont hear or see the same success stories about pentium CPUs. and i wouldnt be so quick to say that a large OC would raise AGP performance. just like the PCI bus defaulting @ 33 mHz, that AGP can only handle so much over 66 mHz before it or its card can no longer handle the OCed bus speed. but yes, if you got a higer CPU and OCed a little, you wouldnt run into this problem.
 

peemo

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I think that the overclockers database is mostly bullsh!t and there is too much variance in the components used, not to mention user error - oops forgot the Arctic Silver! I guess I would like to hear from an expert like Compuwiz who may have tried various cB0 and cC0 PIIIs. If I want to hit 1-1.1Ghz, I don't want to waste money, and I am using a BX board, what CPU and HSF should I buy?

Thanks.
 

spidey07

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Watch that BX board. Your Geforce2 should handle a 2/3 divider upto about a 150 Mhz FSB. That is a whopping 100 Mhz agp bus.

Then you might see your video card start freaking out. So with a 700e, maybe you can do 1050 or a little higher and be bound by your lack of a 1/2 divider?

My .02. I know my system is stable upto 158 Mhz but then i start to have video problems even during POST around 150. (changed to PCI video card and 133 pentium3 to test FSB stability at 158)

Just something to keep in mind.
 

OUCH

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Hitting 150fsb is not a problem with my system. Problem I'm having right now is finding a 700e that will do 7*150. I have an ASUS P3B-F and the only way I could do 1gig with a 700e is by setting the FSB to 150, the next FSB is 140 and 7*140 only equals to 980.

I am currently running a 500e @ 750 (5*150) my computer is super stable, I run SETI 24/7 and I play Quake 3 and CS for like hours and hours without a crash..

So can someone please help me find a 700e that will do 1050 guaranteed
 

kcobra

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It is definately luck of the draw with the 700e. I just got a boxed, cb0 700e and it barely hits 933 on my Asus 815e board. I have to bump the voltage all the way up to 1.95 (the limit on the CUSL2 mb) before it will run stable under Prime95 torture test on win2k.

Right now I got a big 120mm fan blowing on the Intel stock heatsink, until my GlobalWin FOP-38 gets here. Right now, the temp reaches 131 farenhiet with the stock heatsink and the 120mm fan blowing on it.
 

jhalada

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For the same amount of money you will spend on P3 800, hoping to get lucky and to 1 GHz (while enduring crashes) you can get 1 GHz Athlon and run it either at rated speed, or try to overclock it higher.

Even better, you can "underclock" the multiplier and run it in one of the new KT133A motherboards at 133 / 266 FSB, and get much better performance.

P3 800 is at this time (compared to competition) basically a piece of junk that is routinely beaten by a Duron. It is throwing good money after (well, probably good money), since the P3 platform has reached the dead end, and will most likely not support the next shrink - Tualatin.

See the latest review on Via Hardware where they compare a bunch processors, many at common clock speed of 933 MHz.

Don't forget that that both Duron and Athlon are basically multiplier unlocked, giving you much wider range of overclocking possibilities, while maintaining reasonable level of stability of your system.
 

peemo

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For the same money as a PIII800 can I get an equivalent Athlon + motherboard + power supply? Cause that's the least I'll need to upgrade from my PIII + BX combo.
 

nemouk

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i got a CBO 700e that did 933 out of box on default voltage, and is running now at 1000 on 1.80, heat is good quite low considering. Only on air cooling, (FOP 38) i'll keep u posted
 

bonkers325

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ouch if u need lmk or whoever

laters all and it is the luck of the draw unless u know what u are getting that is nto tested
 
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