Need a new Gaming Rig

[vineethvg007]

I know this question has been asked many times over by many users. Sorry that its being asked again by me, the reason being, Personally, I really would love to know more about the system I am building with your help.

1. What YOUR PC will be used for: Hardcore gaming, a bit of movies and browsing

2. What YOUR budget is: 50,000 Indian National Rupee. (additional 5000 INR is Possible)

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from : INDIA

4. IF YOU have a brand preference : None like that. But would not be doing any upgrades for the next 5 years. Need a beast which can run high end games for the next 5 years without any issues.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

I would just need the CPU with all things inside it, rest all i have
* Keyboard & Mice.
* Display Monitor


6. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds: Default speed.

7. What resolution will you be using?
not much, its just 1440*900

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
I would be buying October 1st week 2012.

9. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?
None, I would be installing Win7 Ultimate 64bit.

10. Other comments : I have seen many builds for gamming recommending SSD. Need to know its use. Is it just for holding the Operating system alone? or something else. any explanation on this would be great

Now if anybody still want to know why iam buying this rig on 1st week of Aug is because I get money from my work for a PC then. I would be eligible to submit for approval on Oct 2012 only

Thanks a lot in advance. The reason why I am posting this thread so early is because I do not want to be in a confusion between 2 or 3 iteams in the same category when i got to purchace.

Cheers

 

[DSF]

So your job is paying for the parts for your gaming rig? Sounds nice.

I think if you lock yourself into specific part choices a month and a half in advance in order to avoid confusion you're going to miss out on building the best rig possible.

I would also caution you not to expect a computer built in 2012 to run high end games in five years with no upgrades. It's possible, but it won't be "without issues". At the very least you should plan for a graphics card upgrade at the two to three year mark.

 

[lehtv]

I would get a new monitor for 10000 INR and spend 40000 INR on the rig itself. Your budget is simply big enough. 40k will buy a nice 1080p gaming PC, and a 50k rig would be seriously crippled by the low resolution of your current monitor. Priced from Flipkart.com:

CPU i3-2120 Rs. 7314
Mobo Gigabyte B75M-D3H Rs. 4399
RAM 2x. G.Skill NT 1333 Rs. 2530
GPU HIS 7850 2GB Rs. 16960
HDD Seagate ST1000DM003 Rs. 5085
DVD LG DVD-RW Rs. 988
PSU Corsair VS450 2530 Rs
Case Cooler Master Elite 371 Rs. 2859

= Rs 42478
+
Monitor BenQ G2420HDB Rs. 9647 - 24" 1080p

Total
= Rs 52125 + shipping

Of course, prices will be different (likely better) one month from now

 

[vineethvg007]

Thanks for the suggestion and feedbacks.
however I was wondering if I can go for and i5 pocessor.
And was thinking about GPU too. Would it be better if i choose NVIDIA card instead of ATI ?

 

[vineethvg007]

So your job is paying for the parts for your gaming rig? Sounds nice.

I think if you lock yourself into specific part choices a month and a half in advance in order to avoid confusion you're going to miss out on building the best rig possible.

I would also caution you not to expect a computer built in 2012 to run high end games in five years with no upgrades. It's possible, but it won't be "without issues". At the very least you should plan for a graphics card upgrade at the two to three year mark.

OK, got your point. My current mobo does'nt support DDR3 RAM also I think the PCI Express 3.0. So if i have to upgrade to new G.Card, the mobo should be supporting. Could you suggest a mobo which can go good with the new upcoming upgrades if any.
thanks

 

[riversend]

10. Other comments : I have seen many builds for gamming recommending SSD. Need to know its use. Is it just for holding the Operating system alone? or something else. any explanation on this would be great

The SSD can be for the OS and for games, particularly those with long level load times. I would shoot for 256GB or so capacity so you do can load a large number of games and keep most of the OS pointer libraries on the same drive. Alternatively, I have seen folks get 2 SSDs, one for OS and a larger one for games, but this is not generally as cost efficient.

 

[mfenn]

OK, got your point. My current mobo does'nt support DDR3 RAM also I think the PCI Express 3.0. So if i have to upgrade to new G.Card, the mobo should be supporting. Could you suggest a mobo which can go good with the new upcoming upgrades if any.
thanks

You will very likely need to upgrade the graphics card in the future. The good thing about PCI Express is that it is forwards and backwards compatible (except for some bugs in 1.0). You can plug a PCIe 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 card into a PCIe 1.1, 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 slot. PCIe 4.0 hasn't been finalized yet, but I see no reason why that won't still be the case.

Thanks for the suggestion and feedbacks.
however I was wondering if I can go for and i5 pocessor.
And was thinking about GPU too. Would it be better if i choose NVIDIA card instead of ATI ?

Sure an i5 would be better, but you're already at your maximum budget with lehtv's build. That means you'd have to something up to get than i5 and I honestly don't see anything that makes sense to cut.

 

[DSF]

OK, got your point. My current mobo does'nt support DDR3 RAM also I think the PCI Express 3.0. So if i have to upgrade to new G.Card, the mobo should be supporting. Could you suggest a mobo which can go good with the new upcoming upgrades if any.
thanks

I don't think I really understand.

You're not planning on trying to reuse your current motherboard are you? If not, then whatever RAM and PCI-e slots it had don't matter.

 

[vineethvg007]

sorry all, I been out sick last week and could not login.

 

[vineethvg007]

I don't think I really understand.

You're not planning on trying to reuse your current motherboard are you? If not, then whatever RAM and PCI-e slots it had don't matter.

No I am not planning to reuse any CPU components. I need a new Mobo which can handle any new hardware upgrades that comes in Market.
for eg: the current motherboard that I have, when I bought it, it was a great one, but then it does not support DDR3 RAMs.
I do not want to make mistakes like that, even if my G.card or RAM is getting outdated, I want my mobo to support the upcoming components to an extend at least.
Hope I am not speaking like a complete Noob. :\
And thanks again for all your valuable help and suggestions.
I would be replying everyday for your replies going on.
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[lehtv]

I do not want to make mistakes like that, even if my G.card or RAM is getting outdated, I want my mobo to support the upcoming components to an extend at least.

No current motherboard will support next generation CPUs or RAM, sorry to say.

All 7-series boards (b75, h77, z75, z77 chipsets) have the capability for the same connectivity (USB 3.0, SATA 6gb/s, PCIe 3.0). For anyone who doesn't need SLI/Crossfire and is fine with a locked CPU and a single SSD (= one 6gb/s port), the B75 chipset is as good as Z77. The two DIMM slots in a basic B75 board are enough for a gamer, it still supports 2x8GB DDR3 which is more than you can dream of using for gaming in a long time.

 

[vineethvg007]

No current motherboard will support next generation CPUs or RAM, sorry to say.

All 7-series boards (b75, h77, z75, z77 chipsets) have the capability for the same connectivity (USB 3.0, SATA 6gb/s, PCIe 3.0). For anyone who doesn't need SLI/Crossfire and is fine with a locked CPU and a single SSD (= one 6gb/s port), the B75 chipset is as good as Z77. The two DIMM slots in a basic B75 board are enough for a gamer, it still supports 2x8GB DDR3 which is more than you can dream of using for gaming in a long time.

Thanks for that info. So would a 7-series Board last for another 5 years for high end hard core gaming ?

 

[riversend]

So would a 7-series Board last for another 5 years for high end hard core gaming ?

Assuming you mean ultra high settings with 60+fps, probably not. The issue here is that 1440x900 is not high end hard core gaming to most users. However, at that resolution an i5 processor will likely last 4-5 years at that resolution, and you will likely need to upgrade the GPU once.

I ran my last system (E6750) for 5 years with a single GPU swap on a 1680x1050 system and was able to enjoy pretty decent gaming for a long time. I expect to do close to the same with my new i5 system.

 

[vineethvg007]

Assuming you mean ultra high settings with 60+fps, probably not. The issue here is that 1440x900 is not high end hard core gaming to most users. However, at that resolution an i5 processor will likely last 4-5 years at that resolution, and you will likely need to upgrade the GPU once.

I ran my last system (E6750) for 5 years with a single GPU swap on a 1680x1050 system and was able to enjoy pretty decent gaming for a long time. I expect to do close to the same with my new i5 system.

Ok thanks everybody, here is what I am going for

Zotak PCI Express Geforce GTX560 TI 2gb DDR5 - INR 14,900
Intel Core i5 3570k - INR 14,250
Memory DDR III G.Skill 4gb X 2 8GB Kit F3-17000CL11D-8gbXL 2133 mhz. Rip Jaws -INR 5,100
Need suggestion on Mobo. should I go with some Z77 or X79 chipset board ?

Thanks

 

[vineethvg007]

This is the configuration Iam thinking..
Processor -Intel Core i5 3570k - INR 14,250
G.Card -Zotak PCI Express Geforce GTX560 TI 2gb DDR5 - INR 14,900
RAM -DDR III G.Skill 4gb X 2 8GB Kit F3-17000CL11D-8gbXL 2133 mhz. Rip Jaws -INR 5,100
Cabinet -Cooler Master CM 690 II without SMPS -INR 4,228
SMPS -Cooler Master 600W Extreme Power SLI ready -INR 4,022

Need suggestion
Mobo. should I go with a Z77 or X79 chipset board for the above configuration.
Hard disk - should I go for a ssd also. need suggestion for Hard disk..

Does this configuration look good or should I make any changes ?

 

[lehtv]

I still recommend upgrading the monitor... so I can't approve that unlocked i5 and a Z77 board and other extravagancies like CM 690 II.

Don't buy Cooler Master Extreme Powers, they are not capable of their rated wattage.

FYI X79 doesn't work with 3570K, it's a chipset for a different CPU socket altogether (LGA2011)

 

[vineethvg007]

I still recommend upgrading the monitor... so I can't approve that unlocked i5 and a Z77 board and other extravagancies like CM 690 II.

Don't buy Cooler Master Extreme Powers, they are not capable of their rated wattage.

FYI X79 doesn't work with 3570K, it's a chipset for a different CPU socket altogether (LGA2011)

• OK, I guess the processor that I choose is good. (i5 3570) so could you suggest a good Mobo for this.

• Is CM690 bad ?

• would a Corsair PSU of the same power suit in place of Cooler Master ?

 

[lehtv]

OK, I guess the processor that I choose is good. (i5 3570) so could you suggest a good Mobo for this.

Are you looking to overclock? If so, Asrock Z77 Pro3. If not, get a B75 board or a H77 board if it doesn't cost you much more (either should still be cheaper than Z77 Pro3). You won't need an unlocked CPU like i5-3570K if you don't overclock, i5-3470/3550/3570 would be good.

Is CM690 bad ?

No, CM690 is extravagant, given the budget and the fact that I'd include the monitor in it. Extravagant means unnecessarily luxurious, i.e. you don't need a case that expensive. I think the Elite 371 I recommended earlier is good enough and allows you to spend more on more important components.

would a Corsair PSU of the same power suit in place of Cooler Master ?

First off, you don't need a 600W PSU. A good 500W unit like Corasir CX500 is enough for any upgrades you might want to do, and you would probably future-proofed enough with the CX430 V2 I recommended as well. Keep in mind that power requirements for components are going down over time, not up.

You should also stay away from 560 Ti, it's last generation - go with 7850 2GB, it consumes much less power and performs better. If you plan to stick with your ancient monitor resolution, 7770 would be a good pick.

 

[vineethvg007]

Are you looking to overclock? If so, Asrock Z77 Pro3. If not, get a B75 board or a H77 board if it doesn't cost you much more (either should still be cheaper than Z77 Pro3). You won't need an unlocked CPU like i5-3570K if you don't overclock, i5-3470/3550/3570 would be good.

No, CM690 is extravagant, given the budget and the fact that I'd include the monitor in it. Extravagant means unnecessarily luxurious, i.e. you don't need a case that expensive. I think the Elite 371 I recommended earlier is good enough and allows you to spend more on more important components.

First off, you don't need a 600W PSU. A good 500W unit like Corasir CX500 is enough for any upgrades you might want to do, and you would probably future-proofed enough with the CX430 V2 I recommended as well. Keep in mind that power requirements for components are going down over time, not up.

You should also stay away from 560 Ti, it's last generation - go with 7850 2GB, it consumes much less power and performs better. If you plan to stick with your ancient monitor resolution, 7770 would be a good pick.

Great... Thank a lot buddy. Really appreciate your suggestions.
Ok I am not overclocking. so the build after your suggestion
Iam going for a bit more higher card. I hope that card is OK.

procy :i5 3570
Mobo :a B75 board or a H77 board
PSU:Corasir CX500
GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7850
RAMDR III G.Skill 4gb X 2 8GB Kit F3-17000CL11D-8gbXL 2133 mhz. Rip Jaws
Cabinet: Elite 371
Hard Disk : ??

Now regarding Monitor, I will buy a new one a month after I buy these.
thats why I was not looking for a new monitor as of now. I hope there wont be a problem if I run this rig in my current monitor.

 

[lehtv]

Forget about the 2133MHz RAM, you won't notice any difference to lower speeds outside of paying close attention in benchmarks. I originally recommended 1333MHz RAM because the i3 Sandy Bridge CPU only supports up to 1333, but while the i5 Ivy Bridge would support 1600MHz as well, I think the G.Skill NT 1333 is a good buy because it's so inexpensive.

How much hard disk space do you need? The ST1000DM003 I recommended strikes a good balance between capacity, speed and cost

 

[riversend]

Running on your current monitor should not pose a problem, just verify that the inputs are compatible with the video card outputs. It is probably fine, but just verify. Speed and details on games should be excellent, and even better in the new monitor assuming you are going to 1080p.

 

[vineethvg007]

Forget about the 2133MHz RAM, you won't notice any difference to lower speeds outside of paying close attention in benchmarks. I originally recommended 1333MHz RAM because the i3 Sandy Bridge CPU only supports up to 1333, but while the i5 Ivy Bridge would support 1600MHz as well, I think the G.Skill NT 1333 is a good buy because it's so inexpensive.

How much hard disk space do you need? The ST1000DM003 I recommended strikes a good balance between capacity, speed and cost

sorry for the delay in reply.
well I am thinking 1TB.
Are there any chances of price going down by October .. Just checking ()

 

[lehtv]

Sure, prices could always go down, but Idon't have a crystal ball so I can't say for sure :awe:

 

[Big Roger]

500W? Surely that's not enough?

On the thermaltake PSU calc your system will push 600W if at 100%. Given a 75% usage scenario, by the way I kitted your computers components with a couple of HDDs, an SSD, a PCI card, a PCI X card and 3 USB devices along with 4 120mm fans, a fairly basic configuration and your system would push 470W.

Now if you're using a 500W power supply that would be most efficient at around 250-300W, you are going to find yourself wasting energy in heat and therefore drawing more power than necessary to power the PC. Now I know this may not be the most important thing, but for me it makes sense.
With your system I would at the very least get a 600-650W PSU. Personally, I'd opt for 700W plus.

Also, this will mostly likely be the one aspect of your system that really does last you the 5 years. Buy a good PSU, with enough power so it's most efficient at the load your system requires and possibly could require, given a few additions/upgrades. Now I don't know what will happen to the desktop market in 5 years but would it be fair to say that the power consumption of a given high end system in that time would require more power than a system of 5 years ago? Of course, by that time the connectors on your PSU might be completely obsolete...

A small but overall benefit is that you will be saving a bit of money on the cost of your electricity, also your system will not get so hot as it's not wasting the power it's drawing in heat and, subsequently, heating up your whole case and other components. Not to mention the fan will have to kick in most of the time and you'll have that to contend with.

500W just doesn't seem enough for that system you're attempting to configure. Open to reasons why others think it will be fine but I'm not so sure.

 

[lehtv]

On the thermaltake PSU calc your system will push 600W if at 100%. Given a 75% usage scenario, by the way I kitted your computers components with a couple of HDDs, an SSD, a PCI card, a PCI X card and 3 USB devices along with 4 120mm fans, a fairly basic configuration and your system would push 470W.

The thermaltake PSU calculator estimates a recommended PSU wattage, not actual power consumption. The actual power consumption will be much, much lower than the recommended PSU wattage.

Are you referring to the i5 + 7850 system? That system should not need more than a 400W unit, it will consume less than 200W at full load.