need a really long ethernet cable

[ShadowBlade]

might need up to 320ft...300ft min
i obviously cant buy one that long, so do spools come that big?

 

[ScottMac]

Spools are common at 1000 feet. Occasionally you can find one that's 500.

Good Luck

Scott

 

[Mokmo418]

get a roll in a box and make your own... or have it made
for less than 100$ you can get a kit with a crimper and 500' of cat 5 cable (given the distance, might make it some cat5e)

 

[skyking]

get a roll of 5E solid and terminate it in keystone jacks, mounted in surface mount boxes. Then use standard patch cables to hook up the devices.

 

[helpme]

Remember when using CAT5, the max distance is 100m (about 330ft). If you use CAT5e I think it goes up to 300meters?

 

[skyking]

no. all cat 5 is rated to 100 meters.

 

[SUISIDE]

make sure you wire it like this:
pin out. pins 1-8 = left to right

1: white/green
2: green
3: white/orange
4: blue
5: white/blue
6: orange
7: white/brown
8: brown

if you need a x-connect cable switch pins 1 and 2 with 3 and 6 on one end of the cable.

 

[ShadowBlade]

Originally posted by: Mokmo418
get a roll in a box and make your own... or have it made
for less than 100$ you can get a kit with a crimper and 500' of cat 5 cable (given the distance, might make it some cat5e)

where would i get one of these?
the only thing i can find at radio shack is a 100ft roll

 

[Carazariah]

Originally posted by: ShadowBlade

Originally posted by: Mokmo418
get a roll in a box and make your own... or have it made
for less than 100$ you can get a kit with a crimper and 500' of cat 5 cable (given the distance, might make it some cat5e)

where would i get one of these?
the only thing i can find at radio shack is a 100ft roll

Online
http://www.cablemakers.com/network_cable.htm

I hear that Home Depot and Lowes carry large spools of network cable but their website search engines are not functioning to find either Network cable, Cat5 cable, nor patch cable, so I have no idea what they call it but I've heard they carry it.

Thanks,
C

 

[spidey07]

I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

 

[JackMDS]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

And if you do not know hoa to follow this good advice click here: Wiring - I would like to wire my Networked Computers (Home Wiring).

:sun:

 

[ShadowBlade]

well, if affordable, i would gladly purchase a premade cable
link me to one that long

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: JackMDS

Originally posted by: spidey07
I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

And if you do not know hoa to follow this good advice click here: Wiring - I would like to wire my Networked Computers (Home Wiring).

:sun:

thanks Jack. Your links are extremely helpful.

 

[helpme]

Originally posted by: skyking
no. all cat 5 is rated to 100 meters.

If I am wrong, you may want to submit a correction to Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat5

Cat 5e cable is an enhanced version of Cat 5 for use with 1000 Base-T networks, or for long-distance 100 Base-T links (350 m, compared with 100 m for Cat 5). It must meet the EIA/TIA 568A-5 specification.

 

[Schwagoo]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

Oh C'mon... making your own cable is NOT rocket science. anyone that has the tools and can search Google for instructions can handle it.

The first few tries take some patience. After that is as easy as wiping your butt.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Schwagoo

Originally posted by: spidey07
I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

Oh C'mon... making your own cable is NOT rocket science. anyone that has the tools and can search Google for instructions can handle it.

The first few tries take some patience. After that is as easy as wiping your butt.

Yes, but when the cable is scanned for CAT5/5e/6 specs it rarely passes. Without proper access to a scanner one can never really be sure.

Also, somebody does indeed need to correct wikopedia. Cat5 spec is for 90 meters of horizontal cable, with 5 meters of patch cords on each end.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Schwagoo

Originally posted by: spidey07
I'd really recommend against making your own cables and just just two keystone jacks. You don't even need to put them in a plate.

easy, cheap and reliable. There's just too many things that can and normally will go wrong with homemade patch cables.

Oh C'mon... making your own cable is NOT rocket science. anyone that has the tools and can search Google for instructions can handle it.

The first few tries take some patience. After that is as easy as wiping your butt.

Yes, but when the cable is scanned for CAT5/5e/6 specs it rarely passes. Without proper access to a scanner one can never really be sure.

Also, somebody does indeed need to correct wikopedia. Cat5 spec is for 90 meters of horizontal cable, with 5 meters of patch cords on each end.

They have not spent hours troubleshooting a bad crimp job that works just enough to throw you off. Solid 5e and two keystones will set you back about 75$, and premade patches are a buck apiece. What is your time worth troubleshooting a bad crimp job that is 300 feet away?
I think whoever put that wikipeia entry in got confused about 100mhz vs. 350 mhz, and put that in as meters. cat 5e is not rated at 350 mhz, but many patch cable suppliers will tell you they tested to 350 mhz.
If you could run cat5E at 100 base T for 350 meters, we'd have been doing that instead of fiber

http://cablingdb.com/Standards/568B/TIA-EIA-568-B1.asp

 

[ScottMac]

I'd vote for 5e solid with keystones at each end as well. The chances of screweing up are much less.

For the average home networker, you can flub a crimp and (maybe or maybe not) be successful. Most home networkers are not making runs that are close to the max length.

For a cable that long, if you flub a crimp (or any of the other specs) and it's gonna work like crap (if at all).

Wikipedia needs to be corrected ... besides, who in their right mind would try to pull definitive, accurate information from a place called "wikipedia?" C'mon. If you want cabling spes, go to the TIA/EIA .... the folks that maintain the spec, or (at the Least) Anixter's site (www.anixter.com) which has a tech library.

Anixter wrote the spec that was eventually downgraded (by committee) to become the "Catagory" spec.

True enough, the mechanics of crimping on a mod plug are trivial ... but doing it according to spec, following the rules, takes a little education, practice, and dexterity (and a good pair of US$50.00 + crimpers).

As long as the OP keeps less than a 1/2" of exposed wires, maintains a 4" bend radius, and uses like-rated (5e) keystones ... the chances of success (success = properly working cable @ rated performance) are much greater.

FWIW

Scott

 

[nweaver]

they hardest part about making your own is keeping the twists in the twisted pair until right before the jack. You don't get much room for error with 5e. Keystone jacks are MUCH easier to terminate with, and come with their own tool (no need to buy a crimper).

 

[imported_rod]

I made my own cable, and it works fine. It's using about 25meters of cat5 cable, with an RJ45 plug at each end. I just borrowed a cat5 crimping tool off a friend who used to work in a computer shop. If you really want to be sure, Cat6 will do that distance easily. Cat5e should also manage it okay, although i wouldn't use standard cat5 at that length.

Just buy yourself a length of cable and a few RJ45 (8p8c) end plugs from an electronics store, and buy/borrow/steal a crimping tool from somewhere.

RoD

 

[mparr1708]

Originally posted by: rod
Cat6 will do that distance easily. Cat5e should also manage it okay, although i wouldn't use standard cat5 at that length.



RoD

This is incorrect. If you want to go over 100 meters you need to go fiber...plain and simple. Theres a reason why most big coporations use it. It cost a heck of a lot more but its the best way to get long runs to be stable. Just so you don't have to take my word for it I did a quick google and came up with the following info...

Specifications for Cat3, Cat4, Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, and Cat7 Cables


Category
Type
Spectral B/W
Length
LAN Applications
Notes

Cat3
UTP
16 MHz
100m
10Base-T, 4Mbps
Now mainly for telephone cables

Cat4
UTP
20 MHz
100m
16Mbps
Rarely seen

Cat5
UTP
100MHz
100m
100Base-Tx,ATM, CDDI
Common for current LANs

Cat5e
UTP
100MHz
100m
1000Base-T
Common for current LANs

Cat6
UTP
250MHz
100m
Emerging

Cat7
ScTP
600MHz
100m

 

[syco83]

does anyone use CAT5E instead of CAT5e?

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: syco83
does anyone use CAT5E instead of CAT5e?

ROFL!

 

[syco83]

Originally posted by: skyking

Originally posted by: syco83
does anyone use CAT5E instead of CAT5e?

ROFL!

what is so funny. They are two different cables
big E means it meets the EIA/TIA 568A/B standard
little e does not confirm to the standard but does have the rated frequency and speed.

 

[skyking]

<runs to look at his boxes of cable>