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slycat

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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: slycat
...I will succeed because of the natural talents G-d has given me.

whats your problem?..if you truly believe God gave gave you your talents, at least be man enough to
give props and glory to the proper namesake...he is God, not G-d.

You're not familiar with Judaism at all, are you? Please don't post anymore in this thread.

make me.
 

slycat

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Dammit, don't start this again. We've gone a whole thread without Flyermax going on a religious bender.

Now kiss and make up, you two.

- M4H

aah..crap.
yes, boss, i'm outta here.
 

fumbduck

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LoL.

Anime freak wants to go over to Japan, what's new.

Personally, I doubt you will ever go. It is very expensive to live there, you don't know the language, and you're stupid.
You won't get a job as a voice actor because you don't have references, previous experience, or know the language well.

Good luck getting a job digging ditches.


Oh yeah, Japanese women throw themselves at americans, by the way.
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: fumbduck
LoL.

Anime freak wants to go over to Japam, what's new.

Personally, I doubt you will ever go. It is very expensive to live there, you don't know the language, and you're stupid.
You won't get a job as a voice actor because you don't have references, previous experience, or know the language well.

Good luck getting a job digging ditches.

Edit: on second thought, if you people really hate me this much, why not contribute to the "Get Flyermax the Fsck Out of Our Country" fund? You'll be rid of me a lot quicker that way.
 

rufruf44

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Hmm, do you know anything about Japan at this point? not about culture, anime, manga, etc, but about its immigration law, housing law, tax law, etc,etc,etc?

How are you planning to enter Japan? Through the waiver? that ain't permanent. You need to get a job lined up first before moving there. Japan's law are designed to be very protective of their country. Last I checked you can't buy land/house in there, you can only rent. And if you think housing cost in US is high, wait till you see Japan. At the very least find a japanese friend and ask him real life situation in Japan. If you can't find any, since you're familiar with anime, you should be able to go to IRC and find the different fansub group, there's bound to be several japanese among them.

As for being a VA, how many voices level can you do? Those VA are quite talented and can do various voices. Not to mention its really hard to get into those. AFAIK, there's no known VA over there, which maybe a great opportunity or very disheartening fact, depend on how you look at it.
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: rufruf44
Hmm, do you know anything about Japan at this point? not about culture, anime, manga, etc, but about its immigration law, housing law, tax law, etc,etc,etc?

How are you planning to enter Japan? Through the waiver? that ain't permanent. You need to get a job lined up first before moving there. Japan's law are designed to be very protective of their country. Last I checked you can't buy land/house in there, you can only rent. And if you think housing cost in US is high, wait till you see Japan. At the very least find a japanese friend and ask him real life situation in Japan. If you can't find any, since you're familiar with anime, you should be able to go to IRC and find the different fansub group, there's bound to be several japanese among them.

As for being a VA, how many voices level can you do? Those VA are quite talented and can do various voices. Not to mention its really hard to get into those. AFAIK, there's no known VA over there, which maybe a great opportunity or very disheartening fact, depend on how you look at it.

Thanks for the advice! You're right, I don't know enough about the things you mentioned, that's why I created this thread Regarding being a voice actor, I have what can be described as a "radio announcer's" voice but I can modulate my voice throughout all ranges
 

fumbduck

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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: fumbduck
LoL.

Anime freak wants to go over to Japam, what's new.

Personally, I doubt you will ever go. It is very expensive to live there, you don't know the language, and you're stupid.
You won't get a job as a voice actor because you don't have references, previous experience, or know the language well.

Good luck getting a job digging ditches.

Next

Perhaps you should take some remedial reading courses at your local community college? Just a thought... While you're at it, why not take some courses on how not to be an ass?

I'll take that in mind.

How about you take some classes on how not to be stupid? Actually don't, I don't care what happens to you, it would be neat if you went over there and became sucessful, it would also be neat if you got cut up by a yakuza or something, or your money ran out and you became homeless.

And making fun of my education? You go to an AVIATION SCHOOL. Those are the easiest, lowest schools in the nation, there are tons of them and many are auto-accept.

I go to the University of Houston, on full paid scholarship (because I'm stupid), hell, I get paid a grand a semester to go here. Being stupid kicks ass.
 

weezergirl

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I'm not trying to put you down but don't you think you should at least visit this place before you drop everything and just move over there?
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: weezergirl
I'm not trying to put you down but don't you think you should at least visit this place before you drop everything and just move over there?

You people need to look at this from my point of view: I believe the literal end times spoken of in the book of Revelation are upon us and we have very little time left. I want to do this before I die, so I'm going to do it. Please keep that in mind when considering why I'm doing what I'm doing. I don't believe this country has any future, and I certainly don't want to die here so I'm getting out ASAP.
 

TommyVercetti

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Originally posted by: fumbduck
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: fumbduck
LoL.

Anime freak wants to go over to Japam, what's new.

Personally, I doubt you will ever go. It is very expensive to live there, you don't know the language, and you're stupid.
You won't get a job as a voice actor because you don't have references, previous experience, or know the language well.

Good luck getting a job digging ditches.

Next

Perhaps you should take some remedial reading courses at your local community college? Just a thought... While you're at it, why not take some courses on how not to be an ass?

I'll take that in mind.

How about you take some classes on how not to be stupid? Actually don't, I don't care what happens to you, it would be neat if you went over there and became sucessful, it would also be neat if you got cut up by a yakuza or something, or your money ran out and you became homeless.

And making fun of my education? You go to an AVIATION SCHOOL. Those are the easiest, lowest schools in the nation, there are tons of them and many are auto-accept.

I go to the University of Houston, on full paid scholarship (because I'm stupid), hell, I get paid a grand a semester to go here. Being stupid kicks ass.


Offtopic, but are the ATer who is getting his MBA from UH? There is some dude here who is doing that.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: weezergirl
I'm not trying to put you down but don't you think you should at least visit this place before you drop everything and just move over there?

You people need to look at this from my point of view: I believe the literal end times spoken of in the book of Revelation are upon us and we have very little time left. I want to do this before I die, so I'm going to do it. Please keep that in mind when considering why I'm doing what I'm doing. I don't believe this country has any future, and I certainly don't want to die here so I'm getting out ASAP.

wow
 

brigden

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Look, mate, I really don't want to sound negative and dump all over your dream, but you're really not looking at this from a logical perspective. I admire you for wanting to fulfill your dream, and you're right; investigating and researching is a first step. However, as many have stated, you seem a little too naive about what you're potentially getting yourself into. A move from American to Japan isn't as easy as hopping on a flight and finding an apartment you can afford while hoping to find a job.

How're you going to get anywhere with American identification? Hope to open a bank account? With what? What if you need medical treatment? How to you sign a lease if you can't read Japanese? What do you do if you get arrested? Do you know your rights? How will you get phone service? Who will you turn to when things get bad?

Watching cartoons isn't a substitute for truly knowing a culture.

There are too many things to consider and sort out before jumping into a very upsetting time. I heartfully recommend you spend the next few months Stateside getting full sorted out. If this is your dream you should be able to wait and when you're ready it will be easier to make the transition.

Have you simply considered visiting for an extendend period?
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Originally posted by: weezergirl
I'm not trying to put you down but don't you think you should at least visit this place before you drop everything and just move over there?

You people need to look at this from my point of view: I believe the literal end times spoken of in the book of Revelation are upon us and we have very little time left. I want to do this before I die, so I'm going to do it. Please keep that in mind when considering why I'm doing what I'm doing. I don't believe this country has any future, and I certainly don't want to die here so I'm getting out ASAP.

wow

You don't have to agree with me, I'm not asking anyone to do that. All I ask is that you keep this in mind when considering why I'm doing what I'm doing.
 

fumbduck

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I would LOVE to drop everything to go to Japan and become a voice actor. That would kick ass.

However, I am realistic. You think that just because it is your dream, it will work out. OK DUDER. It is my dream to be able to stop and control time, but that won't happen, and to me that seems a little bit more realistic than yours.

Go visit or something. Save up well over 10,000$ before you go over there.

Also, you won't be able to get an apartment or anything, being an american and not an official resident. There are some long term hotels over there that you might look into, or if you have any friends over there to get the apartment for you.
 

squirtle24

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Okay, I was originally inclined to flame like the rest, because your original post comes across as seriously...impulsive and foolhardy. Also, I'm also praying that ATOT is not your only source of info on this matter. Anyway, here's my two cents

1. Are you American? You need a university degree to get a work visa. You might find people who will let you teach English without the degree, but there are a lot of people who do have degrees who are looking for the same jobs. Translation work...don't know much about that, but if you are not fluent, finding that kind of work is very unlikely.

A visitor's visa lasts 90 days. If you enter the country under this visa and say you are going to work, the immigration guy will most likely deport you then and there. I think in many cases, you have to show proof that you are leaving(i.e. you have to show a return ticket or a ticket that takes you out). Luck, mood, etc have an effect, so circumstances will vary from person to person.

2. I've never heard of a non-Japanese seiyuu. It's not an industry just any foreigner can break into, no matter what your god given talents are. They usually are multitalented and go through tremendous training in specialized schools. I suggest you research this a lot more, because it seems like you don't know what being a seiyuu entails. Have you ever done voice work in the US? If not, why would you think that you can succeed in Japan with no experience? Moreover, being a seiyuu is pretty respectable in Japan. I could see breaking into the industry in the States, but not Japan.

3. Traveling all over. You can't hold a job and travel all over Japan. If you meant that you would travel during vacations/holidays, then yah, by all means. If you think you can simply pick up work wherever you travel, think again.

4. Most people suggest you bring around $4000(US), which gives you a reasonable amount of time to look for work. Bear in mind, people have done this and failed to find work anyway. Sample startup cost:

3 nights in a cheap hotel - 12,000 yen
3 months key money for apartment (one month returnable) - 96,000 yen
First 20 days of rent (moved in on the 10th, 20 days until rent collection) - 21,000 yen
Required apartment insurance - 6,000 yen
Deposit for gas company - 10,000 yen
Four days at about 3,000 yen per day living, traveling, job hunting costs - 12,000 yen
Bed and bathroom stuff (sheets, towels etc.) - 20,000 yen
Kitchen stuff (cleaning supplies, plus pots etc) - 5,000 yen
Another four days of living (reduced my costs here quite alot...see below) - 8,000 yen
Phone line and telephone - 5,000 yen
Basic furniture, tv, and gas range - 12,000 yen
Total - 286,000 yen

That was in one week. This guy managed to find a teaching job, but he had a degree and had been teaching for a year already. You really need to do a lot more research before you actually go. Or before you make a final decision, even. My advice to you is to first get your degree, research, then make a decision. Go through your school's exchange program. Do homestays. If you want to just up and go, you really need at least a degree in order to have a good chance of finding legal work.

Last note, since I just read the last few posts - if you do go, keep your religious beliefs to yourself. Specifically, talking about the imminent end of the world with people isn't going to sit well in any culture.
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: squirtle24
Okay, I was originally inclined to flame like the rest, because your original post comes across as seriously...impulsive and foolhardy. Also, I'm also praying that ATOT is not your only source of info on this matter. Anyway, here's my two cents

1. Are you American? You need a university degree to get a work visa. You might find people who will let you teach English without the degree, but there are a lot of people who do have degrees who are looking for the same jobs. Translation work...don't know much about that, but if you are not fluent, finding that kind of work is very unlikely.

A visitor's visa lasts 90 days. If you enter the country under this visa and say you are going to work, the immigration guy will most likely deport you then and there. I think in many cases, you have to show proof that you are leaving(i.e. you have to show a return ticket or a ticket that takes you out). Luck, mood, etc have an effect, so circumstances will vary from person to person.

2. I've never heard of a non-Japanese seiyuu. It's not an industry just any foreigner can break into, no matter what your god given talents are. They usually are multitalented and go through tremendous training in specialized schools. I suggest you research this a lot more, because it seems like you don't know what being a seiyuu entails. Have you ever done voice work in the US? If not, why would you think that you can succeed in Japan with no experience? Moreover, being a seiyuu is pretty respectable in Japan. I could see breaking into the industry in the States, but not Japan.

3. Traveling all over. You can't hold a job and travel all over Japan. If you meant that you would travel during vacations/holidays, then yah, by all means. If you think you can simply pick up work wherever you travel, think again.

4. Most people suggest you bring around $4000(US), which gives you a reasonable amount of time to look for work. Bear in mind, people have done this and failed to find work anyway. Sample startup cost:

3 nights in a cheap hotel - 12,000 yen
3 months key money for apartment (one month returnable) - 96,000 yen
First 20 days of rent (moved in on the 10th, 20 days until rent collection) - 21,000 yen
Required apartment insurance - 6,000 yen
Deposit for gas company - 10,000 yen
Four days at about 3,000 yen per day living, traveling, job hunting costs - 12,000 yen
Bed and bathroom stuff (sheets, towels etc.) - 20,000 yen
Kitchen stuff (cleaning supplies, plus pots etc) - 5,000 yen
Another four days of living (reduced my costs here quite alot...see below) - 8,000 yen
Phone line and telephone - 5,000 yen
Basic furniture, tv, and gas range - 12,000 yen
Total - 286,000 yen

That was in one week. This guy managed to find a teaching job, but he had a degree and had been teaching for a year already. You really need to do a lot more research before you actually go. Or before you make a final decision, even. My advice to you is to first get your degree, research, then make a decision. Go through your school's exchange program. Do homestays. If you want to just up and go, you really need at least a degree in order to have a good chance of finding legal work.

Last note, since I just read the last few posts - if you do go, keep your religious beliefs to yourself. Specifically, talking about the imminent end of the world with people isn't going to sit well in any culture.

Now this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for all the info. I'm going to do whatever it takes to make this happen. NOTHING short of the end of the world is going to stop me. I understand that my beliefs are not popular, nor are they shared by many others. This is precisely why I will not be mentioning this to anyone in Japan
 

Flyermax2k3

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Now that I think about things, perhaps I will just take an extended vacation over there... If I'm unable to move there and get a job without a degree, then I don't really have any other choice at this point in time. I could always try to break into voice acting in the U.S.... Anime is exploding over here, after all. I see advertisements for translators for anime distributors all the time. I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to become a voice actor with one of them...
I still need to do more research.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: poopygood
Getting into JET or NOVA might be tough unless you have a bachelor?s degree. (Type of degree doesn?t matter) If you do get into one of those English teaching programs you will get either a 1 year or 2 year working visa and they will pay for your apartment plus about 200,000 Yen per month (approx $1800, depending on current exchange rate). Also, there is no guarantee where your job through JET or NOVA will be, you could get located anywhere.

Living in Tokyo can be expensive if you don?t know where to look. There are no "suburbs" of Tokyo, at least not how the average American would define suburbs. Tokyo is divided into 23 or so districts, some much more expensive then others. But there are numerous apartments for about $500-$600 in Tokyo. Just about any apartment you find in Japan is going to be much smaller than you are probably used as well. Think of a small studio apartment in the USA, and then cut that in half.

JET/NOVA is good if you want to see Japan but you aren't going to be styling over there.

My wife was making $6000 per month USD and could not afford to live in Tokyo. She lived outside it and her apartment was probably about 200-300 sq ft. Also furnished apartments are what you want unless you don't expect to get a stove / oven (1/2 US size) and refridgerator (they think of appliances as furnishings).

Most Japanese will understand english, however, some will not let you know that. There are many customs differences that we do normally that are totally offensive. Tattoos will get you barred from some places, pointing is a no-no and may get you in a fight, etc. If you are a good looking american you will have a bit of pristige there. I'd really learn on the customs first....if you fit in people are bound to communicate with you more readily.

Getting around in Tokyo is going to be very tough unless you can figure out the subway/train lines. Buses are very convenient, and cost about 150 Yen. Everyone rides the Buses also, not like some places in the USA, where people despise having to ?take the Bus?. You?ll see business men in suits, grandma/grandpa, kids, everyone?

Some more tips, just as in the USA, not everyone in Japan likes (loves) anime, (read: most do not give a sh*t) talking endlessly about anime to a Japanese person who could care less will yield the same result that talking endlessly about anime to an American would. That being said, most Japanese will be extremely polite and interested in the fact that you are American, which has its own pluses and minuses.

JET/NOVA is getting bombarded now with Kill Bill, Last Samurai, and all the other Japanese things going on...so I'd imagine good spots are full...it's like the military you don't know your place until you get there .

Based on your persona here I'd keep that sort of low key on the whole G-D crap....many are either buddists or nothing....there are Christians though.

I may move to Japan also I want to expand my Studio Ghibli collection and the price of a life changing event is almost a bargain for that....maybe I can pick up some Japanese steel too and few Kogals while there (my wife is actually Japanese, about 3 years only in America so moving there is a possible planned event this year).

Å
 

Flyermax2k3

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:Q Wow! A post from Alkemyst where he didn't call me any names or attack me! I'm shocked! Thanks for the input Alkemyst, very helpful.
 

erub

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Props for making an interesting (if somewhat weird thread). Arrived at the same conclusion of most of the posters here, that you should just go visit. Now I'm confused about your religion though. You mention Judaism, but then you talk about Revelations? Uhhh.....

BTW, I am Jewish and there is nothing sacred about writing "God". In fact, if you studied Judaism, you would realize that God's name is in fact unknown by man. It contains four constants - yud, hey, vove, hey (english transliteration - sorry)..written YHWH. Ignorant christians pronounce is "Yahweh" but in reality we dont know what the vowels are - only the high priest knew, and there are no more of those - so Jews pronounce the combination YHWH as "Adonai" (his name). Anyway, there's nothing wrong with writing God..the only possible quam would be that all pages containing god's name (in hebrew) are supposed to be buried..but then again we can't really bury the internet, can we?
 

alkemyst

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I don't attack anyone just to attack them....

I was reading further though and you mentioned you are used to cramped space ie. dorms. Dorms would be a luxury apartment in Tokyo just so you know and you'd have your bathroom and kitchen in it as well.

The average full-sized, but small US apartment would probably cost about $2000-3000 USD in Tokyo...this is just pulling out of my head of course based on looking around....I know if I moved there I would avoid Tokyo and deal with commuting just for the substantial savings + expanded living quarters it would bring.

Also I wouldn't plan on travelling too much, it's about $300 US to travel on the roads from one side to the other (east to west), maybe 3 hours of driving. You can get around toll roads mostly but it's severely difficult as well as longer.

Å
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: erub
Props for making an interesting (if somewhat weird thread). Arrived at the same conclusion of most of the posters here, that you should just go visit. Now I'm confused about your religion though. You mention Judaism, but then you talk about Revelations? Uhhh.....

BTW, I am Jewish and there is nothing sacred about writing "God". In fact, if you studied Judaism, you would realize that God's name is in fact unknown by man. It contains four constants - yud, hey, vove, hey (english transliteration - sorry)..written YHWH. Ignorant christians pronounce is "Yahweh" but in reality we dont know what the vowels are - only the high priest knew, and there are no more of those - so Jews pronounce the combination YHWH as "Adonai" (his name). Anyway, there's nothing wrong with writing God..the only possible quam would be that all pages containing god's name (in hebrew) are supposed to be buried..but then again we can't really bury the internet, can we?

erub, I am a Christian who tries to live by the Mosaic Laws. If you can sum me up in a sentence, anyway. I don't know His name, that's part of the reason why I don't say any of His common names, including His 42-letter name or it's tetragrammation of YHVH.
 

Flyermax2k3

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
I don't attack anyone just to attack them....

I was reading further though and you mentioned you are used to cramped space ie. dorms. Dorms would be a luxury apartment in Tokyo just so you know and you'd have your bathroom and kitchen in it as well.

The average full-sized, but small US apartment would probably cost about $2000-3000 USD in Tokyo...this is just pulling out of my head of course based on looking around....I know if I moved there I would avoid Tokyo and deal with commuting just for the substantial savings + expanded living quarters it would bring.

Also I wouldn't plan on travelling too much, it's about $300 US to travel on the roads from one side to the other (east to west), maybe 3 hours of driving. You can get around toll roads mostly but it's severely difficult as well as longer.

Å

As long as I have room for my personal belongings and enough room to sleep, eat, and live in I'll be happy Thanks again, Alkemyst.
 
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