Need advice on Projection TV

Rick014

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I'm looking in buying a Projection TV 57 to 65 inch, but there's to many choices and model numbers to choose from.
Anybody know any good sites for reviews and recommendations ?
I'm not looking for the best TV out there, just one that will give me an acceptable picture and good value for the money.
 

Luthien

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Dont do it. Buy a Projector. $1000 for an Infocus X1 is a bargain. You wont regret the purchase and will be astounded at the quality, size and flexability.
 

jose

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go to avsforum.com you'll find alot of info.

I just go a Hits. 65" rptv I love it.

Regards,
Jose
 

sumrtym

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Projectors (correct me if I'm wrong) still pull more energy and require much more often (and expensive) bulb replacements.

Best projection TV's around are the Samsung DLP models.
 

Rick014

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Thanks, but the new DLP's are a little out of my price range, I'm looking for a TV around 2 grand.
I've got a 35" TV right now and want to go to one that's 16:9 aspect ratio, so I figure about a 55 to 60" in the older technology would come in around my price range
 
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Mitsubishi and Panasonic both make great rear projection televisions in that price range. The Mitsu WS-55413 is an excellent model for the money.

If you're going to bother with a front projector, please spend a few hundred dollars more for a better unit than the X1.

edit: Look here for Mitsu's entire 2004 product catalog.
 

Rick014

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Thanks to all that replied.
Does anyone have a link or know of back issues on consumers magazine that may have done some reviews of the 55 to 60 inch tv's?
 
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Originally posted by: JonnyBlaze
cant recommend a model, but i would make sure it has support for 720p and dvi.

JB
Virtually every new HDTV will accept a 720p input. Not many however will display 720p natively. Most will upconvert to 1080i.
 

Luthien

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Dude I swear on my life you will not regret buying a projector and the best one for the money is the Infocus X1 which only weighs about 8lbs. Yes, you can hook up a pc to it. Yes, you can do progressive scan, VCR, DVD Cable, widescreen and 4:3, blah, blah blah. Cheap for $1000.00 and your viewable image size is HUGE, putting a 300LB big fat projection tv to shame! Do, not be concerned about the bulb replacement cost. The Infocus X1 projector will give you 4000 hours bulb life, which will last you 3 - 4 years! Buld replacement is about $350 but by the time you need a new bulb you will either buy another for under $200 because of deflation in prices or you will sell the X1 on ebay and upgrade to a better one because once you have one you will never go back to a projection TV for your movie watching needs. Check out NEMO on it and you will be astounded how good the picture color and detail quality is for the price. Yes, spy Kids 3d works with projectors too! Oh, and I forgot to mention that unlike projection TV sets projectors do not have a viewing angel issue, (you can stand 180 degrees and see the image perfectly!). You will notice that with your projection tv you will have to sit close to center to get the best image. Have fun wasting your money on a POS projection tv. Projectors are the future, your living in the past.
 

sumrtym

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What kind of BS are you spewing about this X1. Max resolution is SVGA 800 x 600. I don't know about you, but I don't want to watch a giant 800 x 600 image. You at least want something HD capable at 720p, which this is not.
 

Xed

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Bigger isn't always better, Direct views are still the best picture/price, imo.

But since you seem set on a projo, The toshiba hd 57h83 is one of the top rated in its price range (about 2 grand msrp)
 

WicKeD

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I just picked up the Sony 65" Widescreen. I am using an HDTV connection via DV-I from Time Warner and the 1080i picture is absolutley stunning. Under 2,000 at the Sony outlet. An additional 129.99 gets you 5 years of service, so if the bulb goes it, the replacement is covered. The only other 65" TV that was close to the Sony is the Mitsubishi. Yes I am partial to Sony, as I have had other Sony projection TV's and never had any problems. To each his own
 

Rick014

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How does the sony look watching regular TV?
I'm on satellite (star choice) not an HDTV connection.
What's the model number of your 65" and do you know the model # of the Mitsubishi that you're comparing it to.
I'd like to look up some specs.
Rick
 

Luthien

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I am not spewing bullshit, Mr. For half the price of a 65" projection TV the X1 projector destroys it. Ask anyone who owns one. Yes, it does do progressive scan (not at 720P) but scaled down to 600P. Until you own one you will not realize what your missing. The X1 projector image quality is so good that is surpasses many models that cost twice as much. To see a noticeable quality difference you would need to spend over 3 grand on a projector in most cases. Oh, and I forgot to mention that unlike projection TV sets projectors do not have a viewing angel issue, (you can stand 180 degrees and see the image perfectly!). You will notice that with your projection tv you will have to sit close to center to get the best image. Have fun wasting your money on a POS projection tv. Projectors are the future, your living in the past.
 

noodlessnoop

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I have to agrre with Luthien's comments on the issues concerning projector vice projection.
As far as size of screen/impact goes, you can't beat a projector. Go to your local theatre (one that is considered to have a good quality picture) and examine the picture. Actual movie theatre picture quality isn't too hot. What you do get out of it is impact! I have a 7" diagonal portable dvd player, a 20" computer monitor, a 27" direct view tv and a projector set up for 7' widescreen diagonal image and all have their benefits and faults.
The lcd 7" widescreen image on the portable is actually much better than you would think considering it is so small. The viewing angle isn't too bad actually and having it hooked up to my 1200watt rms stereo system in my jeep on family trips is a lifesaver for my wife and I and the kids. This is a very small screen but hooked up to a monster sound system changes alot of things as far as impact goes and how "we" percieve things.
Moving up to the 20" monitor sitting in front of the screen only 2-3 feet away with a home theatre type 400 watt sound system hooked up has its own type of impact. Now I'm stationary with pretty good sound and an incredible picture (better than any other in my opinion due to monitor resolution).
The next setup is 27" direct view tv with a1200 watt sound system in the family room and also a 27" direct view tv in our bedroom with 200 watts of power. Difference between the 2 is tremendous for obvious sound reasons (impact) but there are many other factors such as I get to lay in my bed to watch a movie vice on a sofa less intimate. Screen size is the same but comfort takes priority.
Last we come to the home theatre setup in the basement where it's pitch black. 7' widescreen with 1500 watts of power (including 3 subs) picture by projection dlp system. As far as impact goes, no comparison. Leaving sound out of it, sitting back watching anything on a sceen this size takes everything to a whole different level. When I was looking at going "big", I stood back, took an honest look at what was out there and then using my wallet as a guide (not everyone's a millionaire), I bought what in lite of much internet homework at reputable sites and home theatre stores was the most bang for my buck. I have not seen a picture this big yet for what I paid that can compare in overall impact bar none. Could I have been satisfied with my neighbors 57" widescreen projection tv? Absolutely! Does he have a great sound system for his system? Absolutely! Why does he come to my house when he really wants to see something bad? Impact!!! The difference between a 57" diagonal image and 84" diagonal image has to be seen to be appreciated. My sister has a $6000 60" lcd sony and for the money, I could have bought 6 of my ..... you geussed it.... x-1 projectors. Is her image quality better? Yes, but the difference is not significant enough and absolutely cannot come close to making up for the difference in size! Does she have a viewing angle issue just as EVERY projection tv out there does? YES! When there's alot of people over watching a movie, you can't beat being able to seat people at any angle in front of the picture.
Now, I use my system for dvd movie watching and my son uses it for xbox. I do not use this system for tv other than us as a family watching "survivor" using a standard composite signal. Is the picture quality of a projection tv better with hdtv than my projector? YES! Does that concern me? No! What I am getting at is you need to really look at how you are going to use the system and what really matters to YOU! Whatever you do, it is a personal choice that YOU must make and to "heck" with what the rest of us think! I would warn you to really think about this before making a purchase though. The impact that my system has on people who come over that have a big sceen tv is they are SHOCKED at what they paid compared to what I payed and cannot believe the picture quality for that size of a screen! What I hear countless times is "I can't believe how good that looks", "I can't believe what you paid", Why would anyone want to buy a projection tv when you could have something this size for so much less", and especially "how come noone ever told me about what a projector can do". I've found that peoples perceptions of projectors goes back to the days where there was this giant box sitting on the floor with 3 colored lights projecting an aweful picture on a sceen that looked like a tv or they think that a projector is out of their price range and it's a toy of the rich.
Can't believe I wrote all this out for you but I can't stand to see people make a mistake because of poor information or lack of information. You will have to spend more for a projector that has a dvi input if you need one because you watch alot of tv or that is what is important to you. However, for about 2000 you can easily enter that arena and that's what you were looking at spending anyways.
Bottom line is do yourself a favor and LOOK at projectors BEFORE you get a big screen projection TV!!!!! Then you can make the best decision on what is really important to YOU and what you are going to use it for.
Best of luck.... Pete





 

Luthien

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All true but you do not need a perfectly dark room either. I watch tv and movies on mine all the time in a room only about 65% dark! Oh, and ditto on that stuff about people saying, " why didnt anyone tell me." That is so true! Until you own one or see a neighbors you wont realize what your missing. I cannot emphasize enough how fantastic it is for the price.
 

noodlessnoop

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Yes, I would agree. Perception is that you need a perfectly dark room for a projector to work well and this is false. I have mine down there because it was the best location for what I was trying to accomplish but it would work in most cases as well in any place that you would use a regular projection tv. Projection tv's have the same issues as projectors do as far as ambient light in room and light hitting screen etc... You will find that all reviews on these type of systems will talk about light as an issue. The best solution by far that I have seen for a room with bright lites is direct view but unfortunately the biggest made is a 40" sony to my knowledge and it is 4:3 aspect ratio.
You can have an amazing amount of ambient lite in the room without washing out the picture.
 

jose

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You really need to checkout the avsforum.com . They have alot of hands on information about all manfs. You ever heard of the Sony flicker problem ?

Regards,
Jose
 

Rick014

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I had planed to put this in the living room, to replace my 35" sanyo TV.
Due to a large picture window facing south, I get a lot of light in the living room. So washout is a bit of a concern.
My other concern with a projector would be placement of the unit. I can't leave it on the coffee table as it's constantly being moved around. Mounting on the ceiling would be a problem due to wiring power and input source.
95% of the time the screen would be used for regular TV (satellite signal) so picture quality in this area is a priority. This is why I was leaning toward a projection TV. I guess the best thing is to compare units in a store and see the difference.
 

Luthien

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Ceiling mounts are about $59 bucks on ebay for the X1 and you can put up window shades. You can paint your wall and be a cheap ass like me (Ultra white flat latex paint and use a roller), or purchase a ceiling mountable retractable screen 100" for under $165 I think last I looked. Remember you only need about 12 feet for throw distance (I have less but 12 is optimal). At the infocus website you can download a utility that you can use to calculate the variable image size you can expect to get with the zoom lens on the x1 projector. You just type in the throw distance you have to work with. From the lens to the wall/screen. Oh, and just in case projectors are scary to anyone they are just as easy to operate as a VCR!
 

noodlessnoop

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Well, as far as the wiring goes you do have issues. Moving the unit is no big deal considering it doesn't weigh anything and you could move it around at will. However, to me this would be more of a pain just because at your home it would be nice to not have to do anything like that. Setting up the unit is very simple and you could easily do it in a couple minutes from plugging everything back into unit to watching something. It just wouldn't be much fun to have to do this alot especially when you all of a sudden want to watch something and can't wait to get the tv on. It would annoy me after awhile. You will have issues with the lighting with any projection tv but alot of this has to do with is the light from the window actually going to directly hit your screen or not. Even with a direct view tv you end up with those rotten reflections (almost like a mirror effect) on the glass of the tv. Very annoying.
If you need to go with a projection tv due to the wiring constraints such as trouble getting wires in ceiling for ceiling mounting then I would definately say look at all the models in your price range at stores that have them and see how bad they wash out. I would say to definately go to more than one store because lighting in the stores can be dramatically different. Also, I know that some projection tv's can be bought with or come with other screens that go over the actual screen that are supposed to reduce reflections and some have anti-reflection coatings that work better than others. Brightness of sets vary dramatically also and you would obviously need a pretty bright picture if you have a real lot of sunlight or alot of lights in the room.
Any way you look at it, Direct sunlight hitting any picture can be a nuisance to extremely unacceptable.
Good luck. You'll figure it out. Go with your gut and what you want. Don't get sold something by some punk kid at a big store who's convinced he knows everything at the ripe age of teen. Trust your own eyes. All that really matters is that you are satisfied. If you end up with a projection tv the quality and price has gotten dramatically better from last year even. DON'T compromise on the format! Get a widescreen! 4:3 is slowly dying.
 

Boobers

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I have a Mitsubishi 65413 and it is absolutely stunning @ 1080i. Way better than the 65313 they sell @ Best Buy.

It doesn't do 720p, but this is usually only used with game boxes. If you're into game boxes, get the Hitachi.

But, IMHO, if you can wait a little while, you could get one that does 1080p...
 

grandprixse94

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DEFINITELY HITACHI ULTRAVISION

Best out there for the price in my opinion. Mitsu makes nice ones too but are $$$
 
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