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IndyColtsFan

Lifer
Sep 22, 2007
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In sum, don't be like me. Don't let yourself get to the point where you are doing something because you feel like you "have" to, and not because you "want to." You only live once, so spend your time doing things you like. Money and "things" are not nearly as valuable as experiences. Take it from a guy who is in his mid thirties and reached the mid-level executive level that you think you might achieve as well.

Good advice. I think all of us fall into that trap, unfortunately.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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My whole life I have done what I "had" to do because I literally don't know what I "want" to do. While there are things in my life I would never give up (wife, kid), I would love to have some inclination as to what it is I am meant to do professionally.

You don't have that problem. You know what you "want" to do. The question that you need to ask yourself is "why am I (are you) not doing what I (you) want to do?"

There are good reasons and bad reasons to not do something. Money often isn't a good reason, particularly for a young single professional such as yourself. I know lots of people that are poorer than I am (in some instances a lot poorer), but who are ultimately happier because they have found some level of personal satisfaction in their day to day life/career. I also know a hell of lot of rich people who are miserable because, like me, they spend there lives toiling away at a job they don't care about so that they can buy things that ultimately do not bring any satisfaction.

In sum, don't be like me. Don't let yourself get to the point where you are doing something because you feel like you "have" to, and not because you "want to." You only live once, so spend your time doing things you like. Money and "things" are not nearly as valuable as experiences. Take it from a guy who is in his mid thirties and has reached the mid-level executive level that you think you might achieve as well.

Now, if only I could follow my own advice. . . . . But when you have a family that is depending on you, it is hard to make drastic decisions.

One last bit of advice. If you are young, single and successful, your inclination will be to buy a lot of "stuff" that reflects your young, single, and successful status. While you are certainly entitlted to go down this route, I caution you to avoid it. If you don't, you may find yourself locked into a path but what I like to call the "golden handcuffs." I.e., you will get used to having a certain amount of purchasing power, and therefore will artificially self limit your perception of potential career avenues based on maintaining that purchasing power. If there is one thing I have learned, real freedom comes from not owing anything to anyone, and having a source of income seperate from your job. So, take some time to figure out how much money you need to pay your expenses. once you figure that number, add 10% for fun money, and use the rest to invest and pay down any existing debt. When you get a raise, only add 10% of it to your budget and save/invest the rest. If you do that, you might be able to retire in 15 years (at the young age of 43) and do whatever you want for the rest of your life . . . literally.

Good luck.

eloquently stated, thank you sir
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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Good friend of my wife's was a pharmacist making well over 100k a year and married to a doctor (of medicine) making probably 3x what he did. They paid off all student loans they had, sold off almost every possession they had and moved to Uganda doing volunteer medical aid. They know that almost know one would understand their decision but they are very happy with it. They are actually putting their skills to use to people that legitimitely need it and without mountains of political bullshit. They wouldn't do it any different.

If it's something you feel like you need to do, nobody but yourself can convince you otherwise.

Amazing story. Are they religious at all?
 

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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confucious say don't let a young man's dreams turn into middle aged regrets. That is all.
 

ViviTheMage

Lifer
Dec 12, 2002
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dude that sounds so awesome (except for the layoff/breakup part)

i keep looking for an excuse to do something like that, but no dice. hoping to find a place that allows sabbaticals someday, or gives more than 2 weeks of vaca.

Take unpaid time off, I do it allll the time.

Going to europe in June for almost 4 weeks ...
 
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Alienwho

Diamond Member
Apr 22, 2001
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You just need a 2 week vacation. Go to China, see how much it sucks, get bored of it, then you'll have a renewed sense of accomplishment and satisfaction back home. Whatever you do, do not quit and throw it all down the toilet before you even visit the place.
 

CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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You just need a 2 week vacation. Go to China, see how much it sucks, get bored of it, then you'll have a renewed sense of accomplishment and satisfaction back home. Whatever you do, do not quit and throw it all down the toilet before you even visit the place.

I sorta agree. I want to move out to BC so I can ride downhill at the bike parks all summer, and ski all winter, but I have not even visited and I do think that's important, even if we're talking about China and west coast Canada. (2 totally different things) the theory still applies.

I feel the same way though, I need to GTFO and have a nice change in my life.
 

edro

Lifer
Apr 5, 2002
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You better take a 2-3 week vacation to China before you make a huge leap like that.
 

overst33r

Diamond Member
Oct 3, 2004
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My whole life I have done what I "had" to do because I literally don't know what I "want" to do. While there are things in my life I would never give up (wife, kid), I would love to have some inclination as to what it is I am meant to do professionally.

You don't have that problem. You know what you "want" to do. The question that you need to ask yourself is "why am I (are you) not doing what I (you) want to do?"

There are good reasons and bad reasons to not do something. Money often isn't a good reason, particularly for a young single professional such as yourself. I know lots of people that are poorer than I am (in some instances a lot poorer), but who are ultimately happier because they have found some level of personal satisfaction in their day to day life/career. I also know a hell of lot of rich people who are miserable because, like me, they spend their life toiling away at a job they don't care about so that they can buy things that ultimately do not bring any satisfaction.

In sum, don't be like me. Don't let yourself get to the point where you are doing something because you feel like you "have" to, and not because you "want to." You only live once, so spend your time doing things you like. Money and "things" are not nearly as valuable as experiences. Take it from a guy who is in his mid thirties and has reached the mid-level executive level that you think you might achieve as well.

Now, if only I could follow my own advice. . . . . But when you have a family that is depending on you, it is hard to make drastic decisions.

One last bit of advice. If you are young, single and successful, your inclination will be to buy a lot of "stuff" that reflects your young, single, and successful status. While you are certainly entitlted to go down this route, I caution you to avoid it. If you don't, you may find yourself locked into a path that I like to call the "golden handcuffs." I.e., you will get used to having a certain amount of purchasing power, and therefore will artificially self limit your perception of potential career avenues based on maintaining that purchasing power. If there is one thing I have learned, real freedom comes from not owing anything to anyone, and having a source of income seperate from your job. So, take some time to figure out how much money you need to pay your expenses. Once you figure that number, add 10% for fun money, and use the rest to invest and pay down any existing debt. When you get a raise, only add 10% of it to your budget and save/invest the rest. If you do that, you might be able to retire in 15 years (at the young age of 43) and do whatever you want for the rest of your life . . . literally.

Good luck.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Alienwho

Diamond Member
Apr 22, 2001
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I sorta agree. I want to move out to BC so I can ride downhill at the bike parks all summer, and ski all winter, but I have not even visited and I do think that's important, even if we're talking about China and west coast Canada. (2 totally different things) the theory still applies.

I feel the same way though, I need to GTFO and have a nice change in my life.
I don't know about you, but for me even a 2 night weekend getaway goes a REALLY long way for me.

If you truly hate your job though it's much harder. My old job sucked the life out of me. It wasn't what I was doing, it was who I was working with/for and the culture of the company that ate my soul away. I hated going to work, I hated thinking about work, I hated my lunch break, I hated everything about it. My new job has made me feel 10 million times better, even though I'm doing the exact same thing. I love my new job.

Company culture and co-workers go a long way. Yes it's 'work' and not super fun happy time for a reason, but if your job is soul crushingingly miserable and depressing you should at least find a new company to work while utilizing your same skill set to see if the problem is the company or your job title.
 

CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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I don't know about you, but for me even a 2 night weekend getaway goes a REALLY long way for me.

If you truly hate your job though it's much harder. My old job sucked the life out of me. It wasn't what I was doing, it was who I was working with/for and the culture of the company that ate my soul away. I hated going to work, I hated thinking about work, I hated my lunch break, I hated everything about it. My new job has made me feel 10 million times better, even though I'm doing the exact same thing. I love my new job.

Company culture and co-workers go a long way. Yes it's 'work' and not super fun happy time for a reason, but if your job is soul crushingingly miserable and depressing you should at least find a new company to work while utilizing your same skill set to see if the problem is the company or your job title.

Oh dude I could not agree more.
I do not hate my job, I like a lot of people here, but still something is lacking. People are nice, but there is virtually no actual friend (like people you'd hang out outside work with) material here, and the location sucks, I can't go out for food etc, because there is nothing nearby in this industrial park. I think I do fairly well all things considered (I actually come to work most days without hating it completely) I miss my last job for these other aspects, but the pay was just not there. You win some, you lose some.

I do eventually want another job, so moving is not really a big deal. I, like the OP, have no real ties to where I am aside from friends and family. No wife, no kids, virtually no actual debt (car payment)

Thing is, I am not a picky person when it comes to work. I find the people you work with/environment/atmosphere are well over top of the actual work for me. I work in IT, and I couldn't care less if I kept up with it, it's just what I have experience in now so I've stuck with it for my last few jobs.
 
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personally, id rather have a nice well paying job i didnt love, that allowed me to live a comfortable life and indulge in any other hobby/endeavor i wanted. thats better than the alternative of not having steady income, not having a planned and well funded retirement, not having financial security in general in exchange for being able to devote ALL my time to what otherwise would be a hobby or pasttime.. in a vast minority of cases you can have both, but don't delude yourself into thinking thats the only path to a fulfilling life.

now, if you hate your job, and hate your life, then by all means make a change.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Whenever making a decision takes you longer than a few minutes chances are you already decided what you want to do , but now just want re-assurance that you are doing the right thing. The way I tell the difference between if I should follow my gut or listen to others is if I want to do something and I tell myself no, but then later I keep asking myself the question over and over I know that it is something I really wanted and that no other option will satisfy that, if I tell myself no and then forget about the decision then I know it is something that I really didn't want to do.

Do not live life with the hope that things will be better in the future, you may not live long enough to see that future arrive.
 
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