Need cheap post-lifting recovery shake recommendation

Rakewell

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Can anyone recommend a good, cheap shake option for post-lifting?

Looking for affordable mostly - but something that doesn't taste too horrible would be nice.

Thanks in advance-

Rakewell
 

surfsatwerk

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I'm going to start by saying nutrient timing doesn't matter, but I'll end by saying mixing whey with whatever other items you want to include would be your best best.
 

classy

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Any decent whey with carbs should suffice. There is no scientific evidence to support the window after working out. But if you train hard and heavy, it would be wise within a hour to take in a decent amount nutrients. Over the years I have found eating a small protein based meal before and after, I recover much faster with less soreness.
 

SP33Demon

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I'm going to start by saying nutrient timing doesn't matter, but I'll end by saying mixing whey with whatever other items you want to include would be your best best.

Wrong. May want to revisit our Myth thread where I dispelled that "nutrient timing doesn't matter."
http://jap.physiology.org/content/108/3/554.short

The content of meals consumed after exercise can impact metabolic responses for hours and even days after the exercise session. The purpose of this study was to compare the effect of low dietary carbohydrate (CHO) vs. low energy intake in meals after exercise on insulin sensitivity and lipid metabolism the next day.

...

Although subjects were in energy balance during both LOW-CHO and CON, the lower muscle glycogen concentration during LOW-CHO vs. CON (402 ± 29 vs. 540 ± 33 mmol/kg dry wt, P < 0.01) coincided with a significant increase in Si [5.2 ± 0.7 vs. 3.8 ± 0.7 (mU/l)&#8722;1·min&#8722;1; P < 0.05].

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Carbohydrate deficit after exercise, but not energy deficit, contributed to the insulin-sensitizing effects of acute aerobic exercise, whereas maintaining an energy deficit after exercise augmented lipid mobilization.

If your muscles are at a carb deficit after a workout, you insulin is going up. Increased insulin = optimal time to eat. Even if you're not at a carb deficit and only an energy deficit, the study showed that lipid mobilization went crazy even the next day which diet could affect (although the study didn't spell that out).

Here was my post from the Myth thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35889074&postcount=32

The other study showed that even a carb/protein mix during the workout was beneficial.
In accordance, mixed muscle protein fractional synthetic rate was 49 +/- 22% higher after protein coingestion (0.088 +/- 0.012 and 0.060 +/- 0.004%/h in CHO + PRO vs. CHO treatment, respectively; P < 0.05). We conclude that, even in a fed state, protein coingestion stimulates whole body and muscle protein synthesis rates during resistance-type exercise.

So a couple things to gather from these studies. Either use a carb/protein mix before the workout to increase protein absorption, or take nothing and increase absorption after the workout (assuming you workout hard enough to achieve a carb/glycogen deficit). I do both (before and after) since my workouts are pretty insane.

OP, a simple 50g of whey (I use ON brand) with 24 oz of organic milk is fine, and then eat a meal shortly after. Or eat a carb/protein mix before your workout like a shake. Sometimes I'll do bread and eggs, or tortilla chips and sardines.
 
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Spamela

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This

1 can of Tuna, packed in water, drained
2 tbsp Peanut Butter
1/2 - 1 tsp Honey
1 medium Banana
2 cups Milk (No less than 2% fat)

Combine all ingredients in a blender, and blend until extremely smooth.
 

CPA

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Grab some Phase8 when bodybuilding.com has it buy one, get one free.
 

alkemyst

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This

1 can of Tuna, packed in water, drained
2 tbsp Peanut Butter
1/2 - 1 tsp Honey
1 medium Banana
2 cups Milk (No less than 2% fat)

Combine all ingredients in a blender, and blend until extremely smooth.

That's not really a post workout shake. As far as a decent general one, not bad if it's suitable to your palate.
 

alkemyst

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TBH, it really depends on one's total nutrition and what they are doing. Many I see gulping down shakes and focusing on their meals as if their live's would end with even a tiny error...don't really push themselves in the gym.

This is a write up that I found interesting:
Is It Necessary to &#8220;Spike&#8221; Insulin Post-workout?

Another concern of the fat-free-post-workout camp is the blunting of the insulin response. The rationale of maximizing the insulin response is to counteract the catabolic nature of the post-trained state, switching the hormonal milieu into an anabolic one, thus speeding recovery. Although this might benefit those who train fasted or semi-fasted, many don&#8217;t realize that a pre-exercise meal (and in some cases the mid-exercise meal) is doing more than enough spiking of insulin levels for anticatabolic purposes.

It&#8217;s an important objective to not only maximize muscle protein synthesis, but also minimize protein breakdown. However, the latter doesn&#8217;t require a massive insulin spike, but rather just a touch beyond basal/resting levels. To illustrate this, Rennie & colleagues found that even during a sustained high blood level of amino acids, no further inhibition of muscle protein breakdown occurred beyond insulin elevation to approximately 15 &#956;U/l,20 which is slightly above normal basal levels of 5-10 &#956;U/l.

To reiterate, the pre-exercise meal can have profound effects on insulin levels that surpass the length of the training bout. Tipton&#8217;s team found that as little as 6g essential amino acids + 35g sucrose taken immediately before exercise (45-50 minutes of resistance training) was enough to keep insulin elevated to roughly 4x above fasting levels 1-hour post-exercise.21 It took 2 hours post-exercise for insulin to return to resting levels. A similar insulin response was seen with 20g whey by itself taken immediately preworkout.22 If carbs were added to the pre-training protein, there would be yet a greater insulin response.

As far as solid food goes, Capaldo&#8217;s team examined various metabolic effects during a five hour period after ingesting a meal composed of 75g carb (47%), 37g prot (26%), and 17g fat (27%).23 Although this study didn&#8217;t examine training effects, this meal would make a nice post-workout meal due to its absolute (and proportional) amounts of protein and carbohydrate. The fat-fearing camp would warn against the meal&#8217;s fat content interfering with the insulin response. However, this meal was able to raise insulin 3 times above fasting levels within 30 minutes of consumption. At the 60 minute mark, insulin was 5 times greater than fasting. At the 300 minute mark, insulin levels were still double the fasting level.

Elliot and colleagues compared the effect of fat-free milk, whole milk, and a higher dose of fat-free milk (to match the calories of the whole milk) taken 60 minutes post-resistance exercise.24 Whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance. Interestingly, the calorie-matched dose of fat free milk containing 14.5g protein, versus 8.0g in the whole milk (an 81% advantage), but still got beaten. The investigators speculated over the possible mechanisms behind the outcome (insulin response, blood flow, subject response differences, fat content improving nitrogen retention), but end up dismissing each one in favor of concluding that further research is necessary to see if extra fat calories ingested with an amino acid source will increase muscle protein synthesis. Lingering questions notwithstanding, post-workout milkfat was the factor that clinched the victory &#8211; at least in overnight-fasted subjects.

To put another nail in the coffin of the insulin spiking objective, post-exercise glycogen resynthesis is biphasic.25 Unlike the subsequent &#8220;slow&#8221; phase which can last several hours, the initial &#8220;rapid&#8221; phase of glycogenesis lasting 30-60 minutes immediately post-exercise is not dependent upon insulin. Maximizing post-workout hyperinsulinemia may be beneficial for athletes with more than a single exhaustive endurance-containing training bout separated by less than approximately 8 hours, but in all other cases, the benefit in &#8220;spiking&#8221; insulin is nil.

In line with this theme, interesting research has surfaced in recent years challenging the idea that highly glycemic (and thus insulinemic) carbohydrates taken post-workout are the optimal for recovery. Erith&#8217;s team found no difference between post-exercise high- and low-glycemic index (GI) carbohydrate intake on exercise performance the following day.26 In a similar study, Stevenson&#8217;s team actually saw better next-day performance in subjects who consumed low-GI post-exercise carbohydrate than those who consumed high-GI post-exercise carbohydrate.27

Is spiking insulin necessary post-workout? Generally not.

-No greater inhibition of muscle protein breakdown has been seen beyond insulin elevation to approximately 15 &#956;U/l, which is slightly above resting/basal levels of 5-10 &#956;U/l.

-In one study, whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance post-workout, despite the calorie-matched dose of fat free milk containing 81% more protein.

-The initial 30-60 minute &#8220;rapid&#8221; phase of glycogenesis immediately post-exercise is not dependent upon insulin.

-There&#8217;s no need to attempt to spike insulin for recovery purposes since maximal effects are seen at minimal elevations. Simply getting enough total substrate surrounding the training bout suffices, at least within the context of a 24-hour separation between exhaustive training of the same muscles. Multiple depleting endurance-type bouts per day (i.e., < 8 hours between bouts) may be the exception to this rule.

-On a related tangent, it&#8217;s been commonly recommended to maximize post-exercise hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia by consuming high-GI carbohydrates. However, this strategy has been seen to offer no benefit on next-day performance, and one recent study even saw endurance impairment.
 

z1ggy

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I like Syntha-6. It's made by BSN, but it's not really "cheap". To me it's not bad, but there's less expensive ones out there. I buy it because the taste is one of the best I've had...I get the mint choc. I've had other brands that tasted like absolute crap. For me, I'm not going to eat it unless I (somewhat) enjoy how it tastes. I can stomach the crappy tasting stuff for a few weeks, but after a while I need something I'll actually be able to keep down.
 

SP33Demon

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TBH, it really depends on one's total nutrition and what they are doing. Many I see gulping down shakes and focusing on their meals as if their live's would end with even a tiny error...don't really push themselves in the gym.

This is a write up that I found interesting:

Not to derail the thread too much, but this was interesting. Good post by Alke.
Elliot and colleagues compared the effect of fat-free milk, whole milk, and a higher dose of fat-free milk (to match the calories of the whole milk) taken 60 minutes post-resistance exercise.24 Whole milk was superior for increasing net protein balance. Interestingly, the calorie-matched dose of fat free milk containing 14.5g protein, versus 8.0g in the whole milk (an 81% advantage), but still got beaten. The investigators speculated over the possible mechanisms behind the outcome (insulin response, blood flow, subject response differences, fat content improving nitrogen retention), but end up dismissing each one in favor of concluding that further research is necessary to see if extra fat calories ingested with an amino acid source will increase muscle protein synthesis. Lingering questions notwithstanding, post-workout milkfat was the factor that clinched the victory &#8211; at least in overnight-fasted subjects.

For some reason in my post workout meal I noticed that I get a craving for fats. I mix in a bunch of coconut oil into my brown rice as a result, and/or eat a bunch of sardines or salmon. Also, I just realized that I have been subconsciously using 2% milk for my post workout shake instead of fat free (my overnight shake) and it's most likely because of this craving. Interesting stuff.
 

nwo

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Grab some Phase8 when bodybuilding.com has it buy one, get one free.

This stuff tastes amaaaazing!!!! I've tried all 3 "original" flavors; vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry. I mix it with water most of the times because my shaker doesn't smell like you know what if I don't wash it right after use. When taken with milk, it actually tastes like a real milkshake.

Bodybuilding.com has the BOGO Phase 8 sale every couple of months... First sale I grabbed one of each flavor (BOGO) in 2lb tubs, second sale I managed to get the BOGO deal on the 4.4lb tubs which turn out to be cheaper than any other generic Styrofoam medicine tasting brand.

But other than that, I would look into vitaminshoppe's protein deals. They often have 10-15% discounts or something like $20 off $100 with free shipping on all orders over $25. They usually do not have the crazy sales like bodybuilding.com (BOGO or freebies, unless you buy their in-house [bodytech] brand products. Just buy a large tub or 10lb bag of Optimum Nutrition Gold standard whey.

If you want my $0.02 worth, I prefer ON because their ingredient list is short and simple. Even though the taste is a little bland when taken with water, at least I'm not taking more chemicals than protein.

For some reason in my post workout meal I noticed that I get a craving for fats.

:awe: You're not the only one :biggrin:
 
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alkemyst

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Not to derail the thread too much, but this was interesting. Good post by Alke.


For some reason in my post workout meal I noticed that I get a craving for fats. I mix in a bunch of coconut oil into my brown rice as a result, and/or eat a bunch of sardines or salmon. Also, I just realized that I have been subconsciously using 2% milk for my post workout shake instead of fat free (my overnight shake) and it's most likely because of this craving. Interesting stuff.

Fats are not always bad things (not all fats are equal and I am sure most here realize that, but I want to cover that base since I get flamed in my advice too much when I don't do that). I still keep them low, but too many make each meal a no fat one that at the end of the day their diet is probably severely lacking fats.

Back in my day, Stouffer's French Bread Pizzas were an excellent post-workout meal.

Now there are better alternatives for those on the go.
 

alkemyst

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This stuff tastes amaaaazing!!!!

I don't have experience with this product, but I agree while there are tons of stuff that just tastes terrible (I remember having to practically chew protein shakes in the 80's) there is a ton that tastes pretty f'ing great!

Sadly some of this stuff is pricey. I love XTend (Blue Raspberry). I normally hate fruity drinks. I think my body knows more than my taste buds do. I always keep this part of my training arsenal. I feel better drinking it.
 
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