Need fan for Q6600???????

[mrfatboy]

Can anybody recommend a cpu fan/cooler for the q6600. I will be doing a mild over clock if any at all. I am looking for the best bang for the buck. I don't think I need a tuniq tower or a thermalright 120 extreme but I hear the q6600 runs hot and don't want to get something too small.


thanks

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy
Can anybody recommend a cpu fan/cooler for the q6600. I will be doing a mild over clock if any at all. I am looking for the best bang for the buck. I don't think I need a tuniq tower or a thermalright 120 extreme but I hear the q6600 runs hot and don't want to get something too small.


thanks

tuniq tower is the best for a quad right now, without modifications.

The best would be a ultra120 with a nice lap job.


I wouldnt recomend any other coolers then the above if your running a quad. And trust me, i have 3 of them.

 

[swtethan]

sigh... looks like i will have to buy a tuniq

 

[aigomorla]

good choice.

And trust me, i know my quads.

I have:

Q6600 @ 3.6
X3220 @ 3.7
X3210 @ 3.4

You'll regret getting any other cooler then the two i mentioned.

The best would be a prelapped TR120 Extreme from SVC.com

Or just lap one your self.

 

[mrfatboy]

so you are really saying that i need a tuniq tower just to run a quad for internet, games, dvd burning??????? If i overclock i will be just playing around with it.

if so, no problem, i will get one but it seems excessive. i'm no fan of the intel cooler but if it sucks that bad why do they package it witht the q6600?

 

[Spanki]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy
so you are really saying that i need a tuniq tower just to run a quad for internet, games, dvd burning??????? If i overclock i will be just playing around with it.

if so, no problem, i will get one but it seems excessive. i'm no fan of the intel cooler but if it sucks that bad why do they package it witht the q6600?

That might be what he's saying, but I'm not sure he paid attention to your question (reference his relatively high overclocks).

If you don't intend to overclock, or only do mild overclocking (ie. without increasing the voltage to the core), then the stock HSF will work.

So, assuming the above is true (and as far as I know, it is), then there's a whole mess of coolers that will perform better than the stock Intel HSF, and do it quieter at the same time. ANY of the following will perform better than the stock HSF (in no particular order)...

Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
Cooler Master Hyper Tx
Scythe Ninja Rev. B
Scythe Mine Rev. B
Scythe Infinity
Scythe Andy Samuri
Zalman 9500
Zalman 9700 NT / LED
Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Thermaltake V1
Thermaltake Max Orb
Noctua NH-UH12
Thermalright Ultra 120
Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme
Thermalright SI-128
Thermalright XP-90 Cu
EnzoTech Ultra-X
Tuniq Tower 120

...the list goes on - too many to list actually . Here are some roundups to look through -

MADSHRIMPS 2006 - (37 coolers total, split between Intel and AMD)
MADSHRIMPS April 2007 - (about a dozen on Intel platform)
The latest chart at FrostyTech - (tested on a synthetic base to simulate various heat signatures... temps are listed as 'rise over ambient'... you want to look at the 150W results for quads)
AnandTech's latest chart - (no case fans running, X6800 (14x multiplier) cpu, "Far Cry Demo" looped to generate "load" results)
Recent 25 cooler roundup at Hexus - (Antec 900 case (lots of airflow and side-fan))

...most of those have the Intel stock HSF listed in the charts for reference, so just stay away from anything really close to it's performance. If you narrow your list down to a few and can list some of your priorities (weight?, price?, noise levels?, clearance issues? which case? which motherboard?, etc), then we can help point out some that may best fit your needs.

 

[aigomorla]

WHY does the quotes mess up after you edit your post??

okey, no im not saying you need this for high overclocks. Because you need something far greater if you want to hit 3.4ghz+.

The only way a tuniq will hold that overclock and load up longer then 5-6hours, you need to have it draw fresh air, and your ambients cant be hotter then 80F.

If you dont intend to moderately overclock, then a C2D @ 3.6ghz+ will spank the quadcore @3.2GHZ and below, in almost every application to date.

So the quadcore isnt worth it from a financial standpoint if it cant keep up with the dualcore.


The price difference between a tuniq and cheaper cooler is about 15 dollars at most. Can you honestly say a 15 dollars in extra investment for a quadcore isnt worth it?


This is just from my personal opinion tho. If you want to run another cooler, i am not stopping you, but i am just informing you of my experience with them. I have 3 quadcores, and there all monsters. They actually will heat up my room 10-15F above outside ambients unless i have my fan on. There THAT HOT.


:]


My Home Theater PC, is on passive air, off a downvolted AMD X2 3800+ with a ultra120 lapped.

My Quadcores all are on h2o, becaues that one cpu alone most likely draws more heat then the entire hometheater PC combined.

If your going to cool a quadcore, i highly recomend you look only at the best cooler, and dont look back.

 

[Trevante]

aigomorla, I always hear you talk about overclocked quad cores, but what are the stock temps like? I plan on getting a quad eventually and am not really interested in overclocking (just want to be able to play games and record TV at the same time without any hiccups) unless I need to (which I doubt I will)

 

[aigomorla]

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Trevante
aigomorla, I always hear you talk about overclocked quad cores, but what are the stock temps like? I plan on getting a quad eventually and am not really interested in overclocking (just want to be able to play games and record TV at the same time without any hiccups) unless I need to (which I doubt I will)</end quote></div>

i would recomend a higher bin'd dualcore then. Skip the quads all together until penryn comes out. A non overclocked quad can not compete with a penryn in heat and performance, so once again, its a very bad investment.

And i honestly feel if you intend to hold onto this machine longer then 1 yr, you wait the extra 3-4 months until penryn is launched and pick up one of those


Also, my gigabyte P35-DS3P will eat my 680i any day in overclocking on a quad. I managed to pull off 460x8 on my xeon3220 which i normally was limited to 415x8.

I hear the X35 chipsets will suport SLI, so dont waste your money with nivida on boards. The 680i is total crap when you compare it with a P35.

 

[tylerdustin2008]

Don't go stock thats for sure, i am running a Ultra 90 on mine right now as a temp. It has been lapped, the cpu no because no real need for phase.... But anyway i idle at around 45-52c Wont be any Oc'ing until next week!!!!!

Go with a tuniq man, it will pay for its self, because these small coolers can get some dust in them and the cpu temps get up there, but with a bigger cooler at least it wont be as hot.



Tyler

 

[Spanki]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
i would recomend a higher bin'd dualcore then. Skip the quads all together until penryn comes out. A non overclocked quad can not compete with a penryn in heat and performance, so once again, its a very bad investment.

Yeah, there are few reasons to get a Quad these days. Most people are better off with a C2D chip that can be clocked higher and and run cooler. The exception would be people who regularly use apps (like 3D Modelling/Rendering) that already have multi-cpu support. For example, my daily work revolves around Poser and Cinema 4D - both of which can use as many cores as you have available. If/when I can afford to upgrade my cpu again, it will be to a Quad.

People often reference the fact that game developers will start adding multi-core support, and while I'm sure that's true, it will be quite some time before there are any significant number of games out there that will take full advantage of a Quad.

Originally posted by: aigomorla
I hear the X35 chipsets will suport SLI, so dont waste your money with nivida on boards. The 680i is total crap when you compare it with a P35.

I haven't used a P35, so I can't comment on the crap issue (the 650i chipset is a nice overclocker), but the last thing I read was that nVidia has denied the rumors of Intel licensing SLI (for general use, at least), so any P35 SLI support would still fall into the 'hack' category.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Spanki
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: aigomorla
i would recomend a higher bin'd dualcore then. Skip the quads all together until penryn comes out. A non overclocked quad can not compete with a penryn in heat and performance, so once again, its a very bad investment. </end quote></div>

Yeah, there are few reasons to get a Quad these days. Most people are better off with a C2D chip that can be clocked higher and and run cooler. The exception would be people who regularly use apps (like 3D Modelling/Rendering) that already have multi-cpu support. For example, my daily work revolves around Poser and Cinema 4D - both of which can use as many cores as you have available. If/when I can afford to upgrade my cpu again, it will be to a Quad.

People often reference the fact that game developers will start adding multi-core support, and while I'm sure that's true, it will be quite some time before there are any significant number of games out there that will take full advantage of a Quad.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: aigomorla
I hear the X35 chipsets will suport SLI, so dont waste your money with nivida on boards. The 680i is total crap when you compare it with a P35.</end quote></div>

I haven't used a P35, so I can't comment on the crap issue (the 650i chipset is a nice overclocker), but the last thing I read was that nVidia has denied the rumors of Intel licensing SLI (for general use, at least), so any P35 SLI support would still fall into the 'hack' category.

I heard only the X35 chipsets will support SLI. And when a big giant like intel comes knocking at your door, even another giant like nvidia has a hard time saying no.

 

[Spanki]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
I heard only the X35 chipsets will support SLI. And when a big giant like intel comes knocking at your door, even another giant like nvidia has a hard time saying no.

I saw that too... and then a day (or so) later, came the denial from nVidia. So it may or may not happen, but Intel has tried before and nVidia has refused before, so it's not a sure thing. Of course things change, so who knows.

I personally don't have any use for SLI (even though I own an nVidia chipset board that supports it), but if I was concerned about having SLI support, nVidia chipset boards are the only currently supported solution.

 

[tuteja1986]

I have a QX6800 @ 3.6Ghz on Tuniq tower 120 on low speed but i do have a pretty good airflow case Gigabyte Aurora 570.

 

[aigomorla]

Ummmm quad at 3.6ghz with low speed.

Whats your settings? Whats your temps from idle to load.

3.4ghz+ usually requires water unless your a crunch running the board outside a case.


Maybe if your on the 12x multi and your fsb is 300. You can pull 3.6ghz.

But 400fsb+ even DDtung over at XS had a hard time keeping them running cool.


BTW he's the guy i learned the most about quads. So the air coolers he said i should only look at was the tuniq and the ultra120. However he has never tried the ultra120.

And NJKid, an admin over at XS, ended up migrating to water using seth's newls1 waterkeg III.

Which i highly recomend for a external watercooling solution.


So care to post your settings?

 

[graysky]

Agreed, an Ultra-120 Extreme that you lap is best. Be aware that if you wanna maximize your heat transfer on a lapped HS, you'd better lap your CPU as well. Here are two threads I started. Have a look and see that I got the greatest decrease in temp when both the HS and CPU have been lapped.

Ultra-120 Extreme lapping
Q6600 lapping

 

[twjr]

@ aigomorla. It seems like you have a bit of experience with quads. I am most likely going to get a q6600 and tuniq when the prices drop in July. I have a couple of questions. My ambient temperature is usually between 10-15 C so between 50-60 F. What sort of a chance would I hit fsb 400 and is it going to warm my room up?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: twjr
@ aigomorla. It seems like you have a bit of experience with quads. I am most likely going to get a q6600 and tuniq when the prices drop in July. I have a couple of questions. My ambient temperature is usually between 10-15 C so between 50-60 F. What sort of a chance would I hit fsb 400 and is it going to warm my room up?

WOW... thats super cold.

IF you want a 100% chance at getting a 3.6ghz quad. Which is 400fsb.

I suggest you guys wait til september when the new g0 steppings come out.

The G0 steppings are showing to be monsters. Thats most likely what i might swap out my Last dualcore with in the future. They also dump less heat then the current B3 steppings as well.

 

[samene]

Originally posted by: aigomorla


Also, my gigabyte P35-DS3P will eat my 680i any day in overclocking on a quad.

I am getting a ga-p35-ds3p and a q6600 g0. Do the coolers you recommend (Tuniq, TR 120) fit on that board without mod/probs?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

AigoMorla -- This is just "intelligence" from second sources, but there are enough of them to increase the probability that the "skinny" is accurate.

A lot of customers posting reviews at Newegg since July 22 are saying they got the G0 stepping. On the "market-economics" side of the issue, Newegg was offering the C2Q Q6600 for $298 on July 22. Then, several days later, the price went up to $348. [I understand that MSRP was supposed to be closer to $250.] A few days after that, the price went down to $319. But it was during the interval between the price-rise to $348 and the decrease to $319 that these people reported getting G0 steppings.

I won't go into the behavioral logic followed by Newegg, except to say that -- if they're successful, if the continue to "survive" -- they follow Day's Law in the long run. This assumes they are in a near-perfectly competitive market, and that's a safe assumption for sure. They'll look at the number of fish that take hooks with a certain amount of bait on it, and weigh that against their unit profit margin, then adjust the price again. There's even a flow-chart that describes all of it. They'll also attempt to get rid of older stock at lower prices while minimizing losses, or capturing as much profit as possible before it's too late.

I'll take a look at the Tuniq in the comparison reviews, but I'm not very fond of Sunbeam-Tech right now. For performance ignoring certain inconveniences, the Ultra-120-Extreme is still tops, unless any of you can show me some new models and manufactures that have just been released with comparison performance benchmark reviews to back them up.

Someone asked about what you could expect stock temperatures for a Q6600 would be (I thought he meant the Q6600 and not the Q6700). With the B3 stepping, your temperatures are likely to be higher than these, although these are obtainable on air with the TR Ultra 120 Extreme**:

Q6600, stock settings with Vcore Fixed at 1.28V Intel retail box maximum = 1.35V

The quoted room-ambient is about as close as I could measure it with two analog thermometers. It could be off by +/- 1F degree, but no more than that. This would adjust the temperature distribution up or down at most a half-degree Celsius.

So far, people I have asked to report their peak load temperature values (upper bound of the range -- for my distribution, it equals 52C) -- were operating in room-ambients between 73F and 75F, using identical speed settings and VCORE values that didn't differ from mine more than about 0.02V. Their peak load value or range upper-bound was closer to 63C to 65C. This value, of course, is the peak load value shown by the hottest core measured in CoreTemp or a similar program, and there is no guarantee that the programs report identical temperatures, although it is unlikely there is significant deviation.

** Tuniq might come close, since these are stock settings, but I'll wager $10 the idle-to-load spread will be greater. I'll make a side-bet of $5 that there will be no significant differences between idle values. This assumes that the same fan and thermal paste are used in the comparison, but check the May 4 review comparing the Ultra 120 Extreme. I believe the Tuniq was included.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Also, here's my bag-of-wind $0.02 worth on a fan choice.

The Tuniq provides a fan with a nifty bracket that fits in the center of the cooler, so this recommendation is solely for the ULTRA-120-Extreme.

Also, some will scoff at one of my choices, but I'll qualify it.

I use a Delta Tri-Blade 120x38mm EFB1212SHE

There are also a range of Panaflo's sold at Sidewinder and elsewhere, with different amperages and speed ranges. Some of them weigh more than the Delta, but Panaflo has a reputation for "low noise."

The Delta is fairly quiet in the 1,600 to 2,400 rpm range, and its top-end is 3,700 rpm with noise rated at 51 dBA. You would need to control or undevolt the fan to run in the range I quoted, and I'm only making an educated guess that you'd need to run it up to at least 2,000 rpm to squeeze acceptable performance from the Ultra, and I'd recommend running it up to 2,400. Whether simply undervolting the fan would produce that result, should be a straightforward estimation based on the resulting voltage ratio.

Aerocool and Scythe also make some fans of interest, although the best Scythe in my view would be the one producing at least 60+ CFM.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Correction, per second-hand report of Q6600 peak core temperature: 59C to 63C -- somewhere in that range. I was thinking of their 25% overclock values, and got them confused.

 

[eelw]

I'm happy with my TT V1 on my Q6600. Yeah, I only have it stable at 3.1GHz, but I'm still using Corsair 2x1GB DDR 533.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

eelw --

What are your VCORE, CPU VTT, FSB/DDR2 and other settings?

With the E6600 C2D, I had it running at 3.35 Ghz, 1,488 / 744 (DDR2). I might have pushed the dual-core higher with some ease, but I like things to run as cool as possible.

I've currently got the multiplier set to 8, Q6600 @ 2.88 Ghz and the memory at 720, or "fsb" external frequency at 360 Mhz. I should probably try to bump up the stock-multiplier configuration to something closer to 1400/700/350.

I think I'm going to finish "certifying" the 2.88 Ghz arrangement and see what 3DMark06 scores I get, then run up TrackMania United for a little street-racing . . . . [Kids today . . . . tsk, tsk, tsk . . . ]

 

[Noubourne]

I will be putting a Panaflo 1C Ultra High Speed 115CFM fan on a TR Ultra 120 (non-extreme) to OC my G0 Quad from NCIXUS - hopefully later tonight or tomorrow.

You certainly don't need a top of the line HSF to do mild overclocking. Even the affordable Freezer 7 Pro (much more than $15 cheaper than an TT) would do the job just fine.

The lower TDP on G0 will open up a great deal of cooling possibilities that might not work for OCs on previous steppings.