Need help with mobo replacement

[MikeyLSU]

I'm running an i5 3570k on an msi z77a-g43&oq right now


While putting in a new heatsink fan something messed up, looks like a couple of pins are bent in the cpu socket. No clue if that is the issue or not but the computer won't post.

So I'm looking to replace the mobo and hole that will fix the issue.

I'm currently running 16gb of ram(4 slots)
I5 3770k
Radeon 290

I haven't over clocked on this board but was looking to do so with the new heatsink. It isn't necessary because I'm looking for a cheap option if possible.


Thanks for any suggestions

 

[Sheep221]

Did you attempt to install heatsink without CPU being in the socket? Once CPU is in you can't bend pins anyhow, that's what is strange to me.

 

[xLegenday]

Did you attempt to install heatsink without CPU being in the socket? Once CPU is in you can't bend pins anyhow, that's what is strange to me.

Maybe he tried to place the CPU on the wrong way? :sneaky:

 

[MikeyLSU]

I honestly don't remember, I must have tried to put it in wrong.

 

[UsandThem]

Your 3770k is an i7 right? I just want to make sure we got the correct CPU.

Funny thing is about 4 months ago my Asrock z77 Extreme4 motherboard started flaking out. Newegg had them in stock, but the price was $140 I believe.

I wanted to make sure it was definitely the motherboard before ordering. Once I confirmed it, I went to Newegg and they were sold out.

You will have a tough time finding a new cheap one. There are used ones on Ebay that are pricey. I found a new z77 Intel board on Amazon, but it was $200.

Edit: Newegg has it back in stock for $149.99. This will be the cheapest lga 1155 motherboard outside of H61 chipset (which only supports SATA2) you will find.

 

[MikeyLSU]

It is an i5

Well, a friend come over and I tried my cpu in his computer and it wouldnt post. His cpu also wouldn't post in my mobo, so both of mine may be out.

This is the weirdest thing to me

 

[UsandThem]

Gotcha. You have i5 3570k in first sentence, but have 3770k listed later on.

Well, if your CPU won't work on his motherboard and his CPU won't work on yours, you might have damaged both items some how. I'll assume he has a LGA 1155 motherboard and CPU?

If motherboard pins were bent, maybe the CPU wasn't in properly when you closed the retention bracket, and damaged the CPU at the same time.

Was this system working before and you were just changing to a different cooler when it quit working? What cooler were you trying to install?

 

[MikeyLSU]

Sorry, it was a 3570.

Nothing was broken, I just got the 212 Evo to use to do some slight over clocking. After installing it, nothing worked and here I am.

Sounds like both could be broken, so I am still conflicted on what to do next.

 

[UsandThem]

So when you got your 212 EVO, all you did was remove your old cooler, and then installed the new one without removing your CPU from the socket? Could it have been damaged when you installed it with your old cooler?

Did you check the pins after it wouldn't start? Did anything go wrong during the install that you noticed (over-tightening, computer attached to power cord, static discharge, dropped something on the board, spilled cleaning solution when you removed your old thermal paste, etc)?

Did you triple check all your connections (fans, 24 pin, cpu, etc)?

That's all I can really think of that might be the cause of it not working. Usually changing a cooler is a painless, easy job. However, I've never used that 212 EVO, so I'm not sure if its mounting method could have caused your problems.

 

[MikeyLSU]

I had to take everything out to install this because I had to get to the back of the motherboard.

I did take the cpu out in order to clean it. I must have put it in wrong to bend the pins unless they had a little bend before. I'm confused about both not working though.

I am looking for something new now unfortunately which sucks because the cpus now don't seem like that big of a jump over what I had. So I'm going to end up spending hundreds more for not much better performance.

Which also shocks me since it has been a few years, just doesn't seem like cpus have advanced a ton in the past 3-5 years

 

[UsandThem]

Which also shocks me since it has been a few years, just doesn't seem like cpus have advanced a ton in the past 3-5 years

They really haven't. Intel seems more focused on efficiency instead of big jumps in speed.

You could pick up a i5-6500, z170 or h170 motherboard, and ddr4 ram for a reasonable amount. If you want to overclock, you will have to go with a 6600k or 6700k, and a z170 mobo (unless you want to overclock using old BIOS in Asrock boards that Intel made them remove).

I saw earlier today Newegg had a i5-6500, Asus z170 motherboard, and 16 GB ram combo for $275.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Ugh, that just hurts to spend that much for something not much better than I had.

Would it be likely at all that my cpu is still good but didn't work in his computer for some reason?

I'm thinking of going to frys tomorrow to get a mobo and try to get mine working and bringing it back if it doesn't work.

 

[UsandThem]

Ugh, that just hurts to spend that much for something not much better than I had.

Would it be likely at all that my cpu is still good but didn't work in his computer for some reason?

I'm thinking of going to frys tomorrow to get a mobo and try to get mine working and bringing it back if it doesn't work.

You can get another board to try that if you can find a lga 1155 motherboard in stock. They are not easy to come by.

If your friend had a known working lga 1155 motherboard, and your CPU didn't work in it either, that would be a bad sign.

If your CPU wasn't put in correctly, and that is what caused the damage to your pins, you could have damaged the CPU when you tightened the new cooler.

Usually those pins are only damaged by the incorrect installation of a CPU, or something hitting it when the CPU is out.

 

[Sheep221]

His CPU may still be ok, maybe his friend has sandy bridge chipset board and has not flashed the BIOS to update microcode, in this sense his Ivy bridge CPU won't POST.
I recommend to try it on another board, best with Z77/H77 chipset and if it post than you can get used Z77 mobos off ebay, but you won't get new ones anyhow, they are long gone.

Btw, That's why I double check every time I install the CPU, it doesn't matter I did it thousands of times before without any error, I also insist that anyone who does work with CPUs to double check every time before pulling the lever.

 

[LTC8K6]

Get a fine dental pick and a magnifying glass and a good light source, and straighten the pins.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Sadly like you all say the z77 boards are hard to find and are expensive. If I buy one from eBay I feel like I am just throwing money at a bad problem since I would be left with another mobo with nothing to do with it if my cpu is broken.

I'm going to spend more time trying to straighten the pins (tried a lot yesterday).

As far as the 6500 combo with the ASUS Z170-P mobo. Some reviewers are saying that board sucks. What are the downfalls of it?

 

[UsandThem]

As far as the 6500 combo with the ASUS Z170-P mobo. Some reviewers are saying that board sucks. What are the downfalls of it?

They offer some type of combo pretty often, each with slightly different components.

That particular Asus board still has a couple PCI slots instead of pci-e. You can always go up in price a little to get a board that has good reviews across the various sites. There are several posts here in the motherboard section where many LGA 1151 boards are recommended. Z170 if you want to overclock, h170 if you get a locked CPU.

I gave up on Newegg reviews a long time ago. They are filtered, some you can tell are written by 12 year olds, and some I believe are people from people who don't know what they are doing. Unlike Amazon, you can't comment on a review if it's a truly a stupid one.

For example, there is a user here who ordered a board to use with his old components. On the first board he was having audio static in his headphones. He tries a new cable, same problem.

He doesn't want to figure out what is wrong, so he sends it back and leaves a 1-egg review. He then orders a higher end board from the same company. He gets it and still has static in his headphones. He returns it and leaves a 1-egg review.

He then orders a mid-range board from another company. He gets it and although there is no static, the audio is horrible. He then decides to put his sound card in it. He states 'I should have just kept the first board if I was going to put my sound card in'

I didn't check, but I guess he left a 1-egg review on that one as well.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Ok, so now I'm looking at this mobo ASUS H170-Plus D3 LGA1151. It says it uses ddr3, so does that mean I can still use my 1333 ram sticks? I originally thought I would need to upgrade the ram as well to ddr4

 

[UsandThem]

Ok, so now I'm looking at this mobo ASUS H170-Plus D3 LGA1151. It says it uses ddr3, so does that mean I can still use my 1333 ram sticks? I originally thought I would need to upgrade the ram as well to ddr4

There are a couple new boards that can use ddr3 (Skylake supports both). However, from what I have read it needs to be ddr3L (low voltage) or it can fry the memory controller.

If you go Skylake, probably just better to jump to ddr4. You could always go with a z97 motherboard and a Haswell CPU if you want to use your ddr3 ram.

Edit: I just went to Asus' website, and looked at their specs and memory support file, and it looks like it supports both regular ddr3 and ddr3L. Maybe they engineered the board to prevent the higher voltage ram (1.5v) from causing issues. From what they say, you should be fine using your ddr3 as long as it runs at 1.5v and below.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Thanks, I'm deciding between the 6500 with that mobo and keeping my ram or going with a 4690/4790. Neither would be the k version.

Not sure the 4790 is worth $100 more and is it worth getting the 4690 which is similar performance but a generation older to keep my ram stable

 

[UsandThem]

Thanks, I'm deciding between the 6500 with that mobo and keeping my ram or going with a 4690/4790. Neither would be the k version.

Not sure the 4790 is worth $100 more and is it worth getting the 4690 which is similar performance but a generation older to keep my ram stable

Since I couldn't find a z77 board when my son's computer went on the fritz (now Newegg has some of course), I replaced it with an Asus z97-a/usb3.1 board and a i5-4590.

It seems plenty fast. I think since CPUs aren't increasing that much in performance each generation, it should be fine for gaming, school projects, and casual game coding/programming for the next 3-4 years. I put a 850 EVO SSD and 16 GB of ram in it.

I'd do what Sheep221 recommended and make sure your friend's motherboard had a BIOS that was compatible with your old CPU. If your old CPU still worked, I'd just keep it and pick up the z77 Asrock motherboard from Newegg.

 

[MikeyLSU]

And suggestion from the 6500 or the 4590? I've decided on the 6500 but haven't checked out yet... The board says it only takes ddr3 and it doesn't say it has to be the low voltage so I decided on the newer Gen chip. If it doesn't work for some reason , I'll go back and get the 4590

 

[UsandThem]

And suggestion from the 6500 or the 4590? I've decided on the 6500 but haven't checked out yet... The board says it only takes ddr3 and it doesn't say it has to be the low voltage so I decided on the newer Gen chip. If it doesn't work for some reason , I'll go back and get the 4590

Anandtech didn't have the 4590 available in the benchmark, but they had a 4690 which is a little faster, so I used it. Also, they didn't have the 6500, so I used the 6600 (non-k):

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1198?vs=1646

You wouldn't notice any speed difference really between the two. I'd just go with which one I could get a better deal on.

 

[MikeyLSU]

thanks for everyones help.

I have my computer back up and running, got the 6500 and h170 plus. It is a pain to basically lose that much money on a screwup, but I guess I'll learn from that one the hard way.

 

[UsandThem]

thanks for everyones help.

I have my computer back up and running, got the 6500 and h170 plus. It is a pain to basically lose that much money on a screwup, but I guess I'll learn from that one the hard way.

If you build computers for long enough, everyone will make a pricey mistake at least once.

The good thing is once you do it, you will have lazer-like focus on future builds.

Good luck with your new parts.