Need Power Supply recommandation

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CPU: I5-4670k(Plan to OC 4670k to around 4.2 or 4.4 if it lets me)
CPU cooling: cooler master 212 hyper evo
Motherboard: Maximus VI Hero
RAM: G.SKILl Ripjaws 2x4G 1600MHZ
SS Intel 530 180GB
GPU: GTX 780(Do not plan to SLI)
Case: Define R4 with Window

Looking for reliability and most importantly, QUIET!

doesn't HAVE to be fully modular, but at least semi-modular if the price is good.

Thank you!
 

lehtv

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Yes. Gold rated Seasonic are definitely quiet. Even Bronze Seasonics are pretty quiet.
 

_Rick_

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Seasonic g550 / g650

Anything above 450W is going to waste on a single GPU setup.
That's enough to OC the 780 to the max 266W power target and the CPU to beyond 150W, with plenty of margin to max out the 12V rails.
 

lehtv

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Anything above 450W is going to waste on a single GPU setup.
That's enough to OC the 780 to the max 266W power target and the CPU to beyond 150W, with plenty of margin to max out the 12V rails.

A higher wattage unit will run quieter, other things being equal
 

aigomorla

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CPU: I5-4670k(Plan to OC 4670k to around 4.2 or 4.4 if it lets me)
GPU: GTX 780(Do not plan to SLI)

recommend at least a 650W PSU... with at least bronze standard in efficiency.
You can go a bit lower by going higher in efficiency... but the prices will also climb exponentially.

Please dont get a cheap PSU... u have a 550 dollar gpu (which eats more then half your entire budget on system)... please please please get a quality PSU to protect your GPU.
Also there is no such thing as overkill (outside ITX), the PSU will only draw whatever voltages it requires, so if u see a greater wattage psu for cheaper, with greater quality, dont hesitate to grab it.

Anything above 450W is going to waste on a single GPU setup.
That's enough to OC the 780 to the max 266W power target and the CPU to beyond 150W, with plenty of margin to max out the 12V rails.

dreaming for 99.9999999% efficiency on a PC PSU is considered wishful thinking.
You need headroom... the bigger the headroom the less heat your PSU will produce, allowing it to run quieter and last longer.
So if he had a larger headroom, even if he was spiked up at load values, the psu will still run quiet... and also last longer due to less stress on the PSU.
Also a GPU which will eat half the values alone constantly while gaming, will most definitely stress the PSU in the long run.

You do not buy a GPU like that to pair on a PSU which costs less then 1/10th of the price on the card itself. (not joking about the price ratio.)

My Favorates..
1. Corsair (higher lvl ones..AXi, AX)
2. Seasonics
3. Lepa <-- these guys are starting to make a name
4. Corsair (mid level ones)

Id say u should cut that line off at 3 tho...

Some Antec's would tie in between 2 for me, as well as some enermax.
I will never trust a roswell psu, or ones which come free inside cases.
The only thing i do with those PSU's are butcher it up to mod the cables into something else, and then convert into a 12V, 5V, 3.3V DC PSU for LED projects i do for fun outside PC's.
 
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CPU: I5-4670k(Plan to OC 4670k to around 4.2 or 4.4 if it lets me)
GPU: GTX 780(Do not plan to SLI)

recommend at least a 650W PSU... with at least bronze standard in efficiency.
You can go a bit lower by going higher in efficiency... but the prices will also climb exponentially.

Please dont get a cheap PSU... u have a 550 dollar gpu (which eats more then half your entire budget on system)... please please please get a quality PSU to protect your GPU.
Also there is no such thing as overkill (outside ITX), the PSU will only draw whatever voltages it requires, so if u see a greater wattage psu for cheaper, with greater quality, dont hesitate to grab it.



dreaming for 99.9999999% efficiency on a PC PSU is considered wishful thinking.
You need headroom... the bigger the headroom the less heat your PSU will produce, allowing it to run quieter and last longer.
So if he had a larger headroom, even if he was spiked up at load values, the psu will still run quiet... and also last longer due to less stress on the PSU.
Also a GPU which will eat half the values alone constantly while gaming, will most definitely stress the PSU in the long run.

You do not buy a GPU like that to pair on a PSU which costs less then 1/10th of the price on the card itself. (not joking about the price ratio.)

My Favorates..
1. Corsair (higher lvl ones..AXi, AX)
2. Seasonics
3. Lepa <-- these guys are starting to make a name
4. Corsair (mid level ones)

Id say u should cut that line off at 3 tho...

Some Antec's would tie in between 2 for me, as well as some enermax.
I will never trust a roswell psu, or ones which come free inside cases.
The only thing i do with those PSU's are butcher it up to mod the cables into something else, and then convert into a 12V, 5V, 3.3V DC PSU for LED projects i do for fun outside PC's.

You seem to not distinguish between efficiency in the sense of power "lost" due to the conversion process of AC to DC and "efficiency" in the sense of using a percentage of maximum capacity. The latter has nothing to do with heat generation in the PSU and is a misnomer. The former has everything to do with heat generation.

The PSU can deliver power up to the rated load with no issue and hence running it at its rated load should cause no issues with it if the current is perfectly steady. Of course, current is never perfectly steady and going over the maximum is quite possible. That is the reason to have overhead, so that the user doesn't pull more power than the PSU can handle.

Efficiency is defined as the ratio of DC wattage divided by AC wattage. Rated load has nothing to do with it. Even if a PSU was run at its max load, its efficiency is still measured using that formula, and the wattages are measured empirically. Hence, that is why 80+ certs do have requirements that a unit be X% efficient at 100% load. For 80+ Gold, that would be 87% at 100% load.

The difference of AC wattage and DC wattage, or in other words, AC watts-DC watts, is then amount of energy per second that is converted to heat. It is utter nonsense to say a bigger unit will produce less heat; its circuitry might be designed to activate the fan at a higher load, but it is not producing less heat at a given wattage.

In addition, maximum efficiency for a power supply is at approximately one-half of its rated load. Hence, the user should estimate how many watts his rig will pull when loading it with his most demanding programs, double that amount, and match get a PSU with a rated load close to that.


Also, there are items that can be installed upstream from the PSU that will do things the PSU cannot, like better regulate AC voltage, robust stabilization of AC current, and diverting current to ground. Power conditioners, pure sine UPS, and high-end surge protection can all be useful investments for the extremely expensive video card.

For the OP's use case, he should be aiming for about 650-700 watts if he wants to maximize efficiency, and yes there are plenty of quality units, some from the manufacturers you mentioned. I'll just point out that Rosewill Capstones and Fortress are good units with quality components. Older Rosewills are not up to snuff compared to those.
 

aigomorla

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Also, there are items that can be installed upstream from the PSU that will do things the PSU cannot, like better regulate AC voltage, robust stabilization of AC current, and diverting current to ground. Power conditioners, pure sine UPS, and high-end surge protection can all be useful investments for the extremely expensive video card.

For the OP's use case, he should be aiming for about 650-700 watts if he wants to maximize efficiency, and yes there are plenty of quality units, some from the manufacturers you mentioned. I'll just point out that Rosewill Capstones and Fortress are good units with quality components. Older Rosewills are not up to snuff compared to those.

no.. cuz the PSU is conditioned to accept voltage from 80-260V if its a quality PSU.

U dont need a line filter, or a voltage regulator if you have a GOOD regulated PSU.

Also u dont find all the filters, and good caps on cheap PSU's.
Most of them are only on the expensive ones which is why im telling the OP please dont pick up a 60 dollar ANTEC and call it a day.

The Op has a $550 dollar Video card... on a ~ $1000 package..
You guys see that price ratio? its more then double on just the video card.
The OP should be spending at least 100 dollars on a solid PSU just for the Video card.

Anyone who buys #80GTX class... and im sure there are a couple of us here, knows this well. You do not buy a budget PSU for a TOP DOG video card PERIOD.

to all those who have it right when you say that a PSU only likes to run at 50% load, congrats

they can actually go up to like 77%.... however long term... like gaming will quickly wear out the PSU and make it scream like a mandrake root being pulled out.
 
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_Rick_

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Over speccing PSU's is pointless. Better to spend the same on a proper PSU of proper dimensions. Aim for around 60-70% use under a normal gaming load (which should be quite a bit less than 400W on the 12V rail for that system) and then compare the three or four PSU's that are at your budget for that power class. A good budget is around 15 dollars per 10W - a good 500W PSU will likely not be available for less than $75.

My recommendations, from cheap to expensive:
Sea Sonic S12G 550W ATX 2.3 (S12G-550) <-- only 80 bucks, if you want to save money, this is it
AeroCool GT-500SG 500W
be quiet! Straight Power E9-CM 480W
Enermax Revolution87+ 550W
Enermax Revolution X't 530W ATX 2.4 <-- this is my favourite given your specs, and only 10 dollars more, but only 3 years warranty
Enermax Platimax 500W
be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 550W

The last two are luxury devices, but if you are so inclined...

I wouldn't worry too much about thermals, at 90% efficiency, which almost all of these PSUs have at 400W load, you'll only be creating around 50W of heat in the PSU and that's not going to be a worry for these fan systems. These PSU's are usually also specced to run at up to 120% rated load, so running them at close to 100% for short intervals isn't problematic - they will deliver. They also almost all have 5 years warranty, in case one fails, or has a protection circuit that breaks.

Unless of course, you run both GPU and CPU overclocked 24/7. Then getting a tiny bit more efficiency by going with a 650-750W PSU might be worth the extra money, if you get one with a 5 year warranty.
 

aigomorla

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Over speccing PSU's is pointless. Better to spend the same on a proper PSU of proper dimensions. Aim for around 60-70% use under a normal gaming load (which should be quite a bit less than 400W on the 12V rail for that system) and then compare the three or four PSU's that are at your budget for that power class. A good budget is around 15 dollars per 10W - a good 500W PSU will likely not be available for less than $75.

Unless of course, you run both GPU and CPU overclocked 24/7. Then getting a tiny bit more efficiency by going with a 650-750W PSU might be worth the extra money, if you get one with a 5 year warranty.

Overkill Specing is pointless... I completely agree with you on that aspect.
However i was not pushing the op into getting a 1kw psu...

I used numbers simular to yours and calculated a net of arround 450W.
Your original statement was anything over 450W would be pointless.
However i factored in the OP would like it quiet, so adding 200W would allow the PSU to run cooler, and fan run quieter.

That put the net wattage of the PSU the OP should be looking for in the 650W class.
Then I saw the OP had a 780GTX which should be supplied with top quality power, as the VRM's are highly sensitive to voltage.
This isnt burst load either.. a GPU is CONSTANTLY LOADED... while he's gaming.. explosions occuring, shadders being done, the GPU IS AT 100% LOAD for possibly HOURS.
Factor in how some games can now ultilize near 100% of CPU load, were not talking burst sessions here, were looking at endurance runs lasting HOURS.

That meant the OP should look for a PSU which has filters, and higher quality parts... typically these psu's cost over 80 (there are exceptions)...
You can goto our moderators personal forum and see his reviews on PSU's.

The OP should be thinking about his GPU.
The PCI-E rail to the GPU needs to be solid.
The PSU needs to put out solid.
The OP needs a quality PSU, and not a mid grade one, because of the GPU...

If the GPU hadnt been a 780GTX, and was something like a 760GTX, or a 7950, then i would be all over a weaker PSU.
But again... lets look at that GPU.
 
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_Rick_

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so adding 200W would allow the PSU to run cooler, and fan run quieter.

I would reason, that if you just get a silent PSU, you're off good enough. As I said, dissipating 50W with a 120-140mm fan shouldn't require a lot of noise. The Dark Power Pro 550 for example should be inaudible at 450W.

Not to mention, that I've never heard a PSU for the last 10 years. GPU's are the prime noise maker in every PC, and a 780 going at more than 250W will make a din, that will drown out any PSU fan. Noise is essentially a non-issue.

And also, that GTX 780 requires around 20A total, if not overclocked. Any of the PSU's I listed will readily provide that non-stop. Some of the more efficient ones lack a DC-DC stage, which will make for slightly more ripple on the signal, but all well within spec.
There's no point in getting hung up over wattage specs, if the PSU is properly engineered. Any one of the PSUs listed is designed to give its indicated wattage 24/7, without exceeding ripple, voltage limits or thermal limits.

Each and every one of the PSU's I listed is a quality PSU. None of them are mid grade. They're merely designed around a lower maximum power draw, and optimised for it, which allows more value-efficient designs, by down-sizing some components that will never see a load where they would be limiting.

Finally, by going smaller, you actually get lower OCP limits, which can help limit damage in case of impending component failure.

The 780 is a card like any other, and has a usable life of around 3 years, then it's going to be too slow for the noise it makes, plus the fan will start to wear out significantly... So no reason to go over the top for that either.

More than 500W PSU in single GPU/single CPU setup are probably only reasonable, if you go full-AMD and OC a 290 that runs next to one of those 220W FX-joke-monsters. But 780 will usually see around 200W, Haswell around 80, 20W for board and disks and fans is generous - so 600W is already 100% overspecced for the usual load. 500W is plenty. 450W is big enough to do overclocks, that take the hardware to the limits and bench at 100%, without exceeding specs. 400W is good enough to have plenty of headroom without an OC. 350W is good enough, if you have a PSU that can short-term provide 110%.

The thing is, the 450W I listed is the absolute maximum possible with that hardware, but OP never suggested an OC. Therefore my suggestion that 450W is plenty. All the PSU's I listed are already well over-specced for the system. Going with even more wattage is a waste.
 

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http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Edition-Mo...words=xfx+750w

Just got one of these and it is really nice. Currently has a $20 rebate and may be found cheaper. The reviews on it are stellar and it actually tested out platinum levels and it's a Seasonic unit, just rebranded with a shorter warranty (5 vs 7 years). This would give you plenty of overhead if you ever do got SLI. So far the most I've pulled according to my Killawatt is 600w or 80% of the max.
 

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do not trust EVGA outside videocards PERIOD.
 

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Today 11/11 only, Newegg has the Antec NEO ECO 620C for $30 after rebate with free shipping. It looks like an updated version that is Bronze rated for efficiency. The former one was an excellent budget unit made by Seasonic.
 
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how is the price though? its definitely overkill for single GPU setup..haha but its the only seasonic on sale in my city....or there is the X 750W for 120, and M12 750W for 100
 
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