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Wonderful Pork

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Hmm, you got iPhon4 and current is iPhone6. I can't count Apple-maths but 6 minus 4 is two, not five. They just fooled you into thinking its five generations old. You are their most cherished customer.

4 -> 4S ->5 -> 5S -> 6; it is at least 4 generations old, especially considering iPhone 6S will be released this fall alongside iOS9, which would make it officially 5. iPhone 4 was released in 2010.
 

Red Squirrel

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Not an Apple fan myself, but I'd say they are far from failing. While most fanboys considered Steve Jobs as the 1st coming of Christ, they know he will come again one day if they stay faithful to Apple, for it is written: "Think no different after my departure, keep thy devices charged and updated to newest model, for I will return riding a white horse to gather all who are faithful" AAPL 132:07
 

QueBert

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Hmm, you got iPhon4 and current is iPhone6. I can't count Apple-maths but 6 minus 4 is two, not five. They just fooled you into thinking its five generations old. You are their most cherished customer.

No, I'm pretty sure Apple has released 4 phones since the 4 I had, pretty sure...
 

ultimatebob

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No, I'm pretty sure Apple has released 4 phones since the 4 I had, pretty sure...

Yeah, but they really only release a NEW phone design every two years. The "S" models in between those releases are usually just a spec bump from the prior phone.
 

ultimatebob

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They could have 75% of the market easily. They havn't done anything useful since jobs passed. Wouldn't be surprised if they had the ability to become pretty close to a monopoly.

I don't think that Apple wants 75% market share, as that would require them to make lower cost models to compete with the $49 Android phones that you can get at Walmart.

Apple knows better than the go into the low cost market, since there is no profit margin in that business. Just ask Microsoft, who just lost billions trying to compete with lower end smart phones.
 

Ichinisan

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Hmm, you got iPhon4 and current is iPhone6. I can't count Apple-maths but 6 minus 4 is two, not five. They just fooled you into thinking its five generations old. You are their most cherished customer.

Are you implying that the "s" iterations aren't vastly improved?
 

Ichinisan

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Yeah, but they really only release a NEW phone design every two years. The "S" models in between those releases are usually just a spec bump from the prior phone.

Isn't EVERY iteration just a spec bump?

The s-versions typically bump the specs and features as much as any non-s version has done.
 

Wreckem

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They could have 75% of the market easily. They havn't done anything useful since jobs passed. Wouldn't be surprised if they had the ability to become pretty close to a monopoly.

They have a machine that figuratively turns lead into gold and gives them billions and billions in profits each quarter. $53billion in profits in a single fiscal year. Financially they are better than ever.

Investors are just cranky that they aren't showing as much growth(ie: making investors as much money).
 

CurseTheSky

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Apple's biggest downfall is their pride. They're too proud to make a low-end device that will appeal to the masses who don't want to flock to a store every time there's a new product release. That leaves room for other manufacturers to stake their claim without directly competing. They do well in areas where their device prices aren't outrageously higher than the competition (mobile phones, tablets), but not so well in other areas (computers).

They've done very well for themselves for quite a while now, but they need to diversify and innovate or eventually they'll suffer a collapse. The world isn't going to be crazy about mobile devices forever.
 

Strk

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Are you implying that the "s" iterations aren't vastly improved?

They usually are, but since the aesthetics look pretty much untouched, they get a lot of flack for it. I'm thinking since the passing of Steve Jobs and getting off the '3.5" is perfect" garbage has helped them a huge amount. The sales of the iphone 6 speak for themselves in that regard. I think Tim Cook is way less full of himself and more open to ideas.

But to add to the how are they failing part that many others have posted, Here is another link

The only problem Apple has is its investors being investors (I.e. huge douchebags). Sure, you made $50 billion in profit, but it could have been $50.1 by raising your prices!
 

QueBert

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Yeah, but they really only release a NEW phone design every two years. The "S" models in between those releases are usually just a spec bump from the prior phone.

Samsung does the same thing, as does every other company out there. Specs wise every iphone has been a big improvement over the previous model. IMHO the 4s was a bigger jump over the 4 than the Note 2 was over the Note 1.
 

ultimatebob

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Samsung does the same thing, as does every other company out there. Specs wise every iphone has been a big improvement over the previous model. IMHO the 4s was a bigger jump over the 4 than the Note 2 was over the Note 1.

I'm not so sure about that. Samsung seems to make noticeable design changes to their Galaxy S phones every year. Whether or not those design changes are good are debatable, though.

Personally, I miss having the option of getting one with a replaceable battery.
 
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I'm not so sure about that. Samsung seems to make noticeable design changes to their Galaxy S phones every year. Whether or not those design changes are good are debatable, though.

Personally, I miss having the option of getting one with a replaceable battery.
Having had a 4S and a 4 next to each other once upon a time, you're wrong. The 4S was a big bump in terms of usability, pretty much solely due to the CPU speed.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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How is apple failing itself these days(or since the days of steve jobs), I'm writing a research paper on Apple for my business class.

My main thoughts were although they don't have an official company goal/mission statement they are not producing quality products and innovating/making the market better, they're just stifling it. That's what I'm going with but if you have better ideas feel free to shoot them.

I need something investors or consumers would easily notice, have they been having any kinds of problems?


Need to be done with this in 30 minutes :biggrin:

do your own research

lazy fucking students I swear to god...
 

ultimatebob

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Having had a 4S and a 4 next to each other once upon a time, you're wrong. The 4S was a big bump in terms of usability, pretty much solely due to the CPU speed.

But they looked almost identical, right?

Like I said, Apple doesn't really change the phone design much for the "S" versions, but the internals change.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Apple's biggest downfall is their pride. They're too proud to make a low-end device that will appeal to the masses who don't want to flock to a store every time there's a new product release. That leaves room for other manufacturers to stake their claim without directly competing. They do well in areas where their device prices aren't outrageously higher than the competition (mobile phones, tablets), but not so well in other areas (computers).

They've done very well for themselves for quite a while now, but they need to diversify and innovate or eventually they'll suffer a collapse. The world isn't going to be crazy about mobile devices forever.

Why would they need to spend time designing and producing a low end device when they already naturally make low end devices just by changing things up every year? You want a low end device? Get an iPhone 5, or even an iPhone 4.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Jesus Christ. I still wonder why people go to school for a "business degree."

seriously. get a clue, OP.
 

Phoenix86

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You're being sarcastic right? I've owned mobile devices using every OS from Symbian to Blackberry to WM. NEVER had a device 5 years old still that still got updates. Hell I've had Android phones that weren't even a year old that stopped getting updates. So yeah, iOS 9 running on iPad 2's & iPhone 4's is a damn impressive thing.

It's not a knock against Apple per say, but the industry in general. There's no reason supporting 5 year old hardware should be a bonus, it should be the standard.
 
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But they looked almost identical, right?

Like I said, Apple doesn't really change the phone design much for the "S" versions, but the internals change.

Well, yeah, okay. True.

But then I ask if any of the designs since the original have really been all that re-design-ey. I mean, first they had rounded corners, then they had rounded corners with bevels and square edges, and now they have a bigger screen with rounded corners!

The 5c was revolutionary because it was only rounded on the back, and because it was made from plastic! Wow! And it moved the headphone jack!

yaknow?
 

Ichinisan

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It's not a knock against Apple per say, but the industry in general. There's no reason supporting 5 year old hardware should be a bonus, it should be the standard.

No kidding. My brother got the Sony Xperia Play after the Blogosphere reported that Sony had promised to update the Android OS from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich.

It never came. That phone didn't receive even a single major OS update. If one of the most well-known CE companies doesn't properly support their Android devices even after a public promise to do so, going with Android at all seems risky.
 
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