bob4432

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I have been using AT&T cellular for years (probably 15+) and have a simple plan - 2 unlocked Galaxy S5s (SM-G900T) + 1 OldSkool Dumb phone w/ txting only (MIL who cannot control herself from gambling and doing anything to get rid of her $$ as fast as possible). This is on a paltry 1GB/Mo shared plane (bet you didn't think they came that low did you?) and I am paying $100/MO which I know is straight out ridiculous and know I am getting bent over by AT&T. For the last couple of years, to say that the servics has been abysmal would be an understatement on the 2 Galaxy S5s that are at the property I live at. I have had the same issue with either the stock T-Mobile ROM that came on the phone or the LineageOS (v14.1) that I am running now - basically no cell service probably 50% of the time I pickup the phone. The dumb phone works fine at the location it is at.

Recently a friend was over and he had a T-Mobile phone and he had 75% signal strength for the day he was here, so I kind of feel this to be an AT&T issue. I have an old iPhone 4S that is unlocked w/ a T-Mobile sim that I plan on signing up to see what my results are, but again, this is an old iPhone so not sure how that would play into the equation. Figure I can give it a try since my current plan is bending me over pretty good.

Here is the advice I am needing:
I need 3 phones (2smart, 1dumb and locked down to just txting) that are at the very least comparable to the Galaxy S5 hardware wise and are rootable as the units I have I picked up off of SWAPPA some years ago. I picked up the S5s because you could get replacement batteries, but even when buying a 'new' battery, I do not get good battery life and I feel it is because of the horrible cell service (although my location shows up on the AT&T map as 'great' coverage, but I am thinking that they phone is needing to push the cell radios high and thus resulting in very little battery life - have to charge probably 2x/day) or these 'new' batteries are just so old and have been sitting in a warehouse or they are fake Samsung batteries - You pick what you feel is the correct answer.

I miss calls and will get notifications of a VM when the phones never ring. Sometimes this takes a restart of the phone to get service or 'pickup' the VM notification necessatating at least 1x/day if not more restarting, and sure enough I will have missed calls. This is getting to a serious level as I am missing doctors calls and other important calls, not just missing a friends call here and there. I would say at the minimum 35-45% of the time I pick up my phone, it will say 'No Cellular Service' or 'Emergency Calling Only'. Same thing with TXTing - I do not receive them or they do not go out. I have complained to AT&T about this multiple times and their 'fix' was to keep me on this ridiculous plan and send me some bottom of the line 'special;' AT&T phones and a device to plug into my home network so the phones could (I assume) use the home network (100Mb/s down / 10Mb/s up) as VOIP setup as I have A/B/G/N/AC network capabilities on my home network. Not an ideal situation because I do not need another failure point, even though my entire network is on UPSs, sometimes my home internet connection will have a hiccup and I really do not see how AT&T using my home network fixes the problem as they are just using my home internet for their service issue.

So, what are some recommendations for a pair of smart phones (prefer Android because iPhone keeps you so far away from doing anything deep, I want to peak under the hood and I just feel more comfortable w/ Android - not to say I couldn't get as comfortable with Apple, but some apps I use ALOT are not iOS ported) to replace the S5s? I have not kept up with the phones over the years, so like I said earlier, do not need the newest or fanciest. I would also like to have a plan w/ a bit more bandwidth allotment so I can stream Pandora, YouTube or tether my laptop when out when I want to and also I am just setting up FolderSync to be able to sync whichever folders on the phone to my home server via FTPS which would go onto a RAID1 Array on my Home Server which is then backed up to external HDDs. I would like to be able to root the phone and put on a stripped down Android install, do not want all the bloatware of a non-rooted phone and I am Not a FB user on the phone nor Instagram, Twitter, etc or really any social media. I do use the camera quite a bit using OpenCamera (not selfies, but pics for reference and instead of lugging around a seperate device as the cameras have come pretty far on even these S5s, they work good enough for me compared to a point and shoot digital I would pick up as I do not need a serious camera like a DSLR) and the calendar setup, this is imperative as my wife and I use the same GMail accout for our phones so our calendars are always sync'd up along w/ using GO Contact Sync Mod to sync it w/ Outlook for an additional backup/place to look up the calendar. GPS is important not only for directions but also for being able to keep track of the pics. Being able to tether is also important as I go to some places where it is the only network connection I have. Also, I do not want to get into a contract if possible, so either a decent used phone or ? I am thinking my price range for a used phone would be in the $200-$300 range, preferably less just because of the amount of use I get out it - my phones are not tied to my hip but when I want or need to use them, they need to work.

T-Mobile people - please speak up as to your experiences not only about their coverage but also their customer support. Hopefully I will not have to use them, but AT&T is getting worse and worse and the last thing I need is some a$$hole CS agent when I am having an issue with their product.

Please assist as this situation needs to get rectified and quick as the service is detiorating, and I am not sure if it is me, but even when I pay my AT&T bill, seems like many times the website is very slow and unresponsive giving me the impression that maybe AT&T maybe having other troubles than just what I am seeing - this is purely speculation, but when I do my bills, the AT&T site is always the slowest one to deal with, in fact I can do all my other monthly bills in the amount of time it takes the AT&T site to work and this is coming from my Laptop which a Thinkpad T440s w/ 8GB RAM & a 500GB SSD, connected either WIFI or even via ethernet.

Last, I am not brand loyal - whatever does at the very least what the S5 does and has better battery life than what I am getting would be great. FWIW, when at home, obviously I am on the home network if I look stuff up so a phone w/ A/B/G/N/AC wifi would be great.

Thanks in advance and I look forward to your recommendations,
Bob

EDIT: This next 'need' (as it is important as making call period for me) should have been in the this first post when I made it originally but it slipped my mind - please add this to my list and also I have refined the needs/wants/realities in post #12. Thanks for reading.

- One new question that I need to address that I completely forgot about in the first post was that I need a phone that will allow the recording of both sides of a phone call w/out a limitation of the length of a recording (obviously the size of the memory would be the limiting factor, but I can address that and just put a large SD card in the phone). One party recording is perfectly legal in my state and is (for me) an absolute necessity for some phone calls I make. The way I do it w/ the S5 is connect the S5 w/ a headphone/mic and use RecForge to record both sides of the conversation in excellent (at least for a phone call - 16bit, 22KHz, Mono) quality. I have RecForge to record directly to MP3 so not even a .wav -> MP3 conversion is necessary. Being a MP3 file, the fact that just about any device that plays digital music will play a MP3 audio file. Now the new question is would all phones do this or is it a trial and error type of situation and I would have to figure out which phones do this and if this is the case, how would I figure it out by looking at the spec sheet? Is there some spec listed on a phone that lets you know this type of recording is possible? I did not know that the S5 could even do this as there is not any spec that says it can do this, other than rumors of certain roms that offer the feature to record phone conversations, but even the roms that offered this option would usually not implement the feature. Is there anyway spec or wording that would let me know that both party call recording is part of the software implementation? I have to emphasize that any phone that would not allow this ability would be excluded completely regardless of everything else the phone offered, hell even if it was free and had 100% signal in my quasi Faraday cage condo.
 
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Dulanic

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I really don't know what to make of this thread. It feels like a flashback of 5 years. Honestly noone can tell you how your service will be for your house.

With that said I have a few points...

I like tmobile and have had them for years. They have great speed overall.
Rooting is mostly out, I used to root but with newer devices it really isn't needed and can be detrimental to warranty and features (Samsung pay).
Contracts are out so swap if needed. I have a unlocked s10 and it will work on any of the carriers. Even between GSM and CDMA.

Overall in my experience, tmobile deff gives best bang for the buck. I never have signal problems and with Wi-Fi calling its even better.
 

rsutoratosu

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Its all crap shoot. I have a xs max with verizon and att dual sim and iphone 8 with tmobile.

Right now at work i get full verizon, 1 att lte bar and 1 tmo lte bar.

With the tmo 1 bar, I'm unable to get calls or vm notificaiton. My boss called me standing next to me and the phone doesn't even get a missed call or any notification. VZ works as expected, i didn't try att. In my house, 1 vz bar and 2-3 att&tmo bars..
 

IronWing

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In my part of the country (Arizona and the Rocky Mountain west) Verizon has by far the best coverage and decent customer service.

AT&T coverage is decent in urban areas and along major highways. I have no experience with their customer service so can’t comment.

T-Mobile has decent coverage in the urban cores, crappy coverage in the suburbs, and no coverage anywhere else. T-Mobile has the worst customer service I have encountered from any company, period. Long waits, horrendous phone trees, and indifferent and poorly trained customer reps await. Their service sucked even before a contract was signed (I got out before I even got in, it was that bad).
 

bassoprofundo

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It sounds like your needs are basic enough that you could probably go Prepaid (ex.- Cricket) and save a little. If you stick with AT&T as-is, you can currently get a shared plan with 3 lines and 3gb/month of data for the same $100 you're paying now (or 9gb for $120/month).

With regard to the signal, there are way too many potential issues at play for you to just blame the carrier. You're using at least five-year old hardware that wouldn't support VoLTE, HDVoice, Wifi calling & wouldn't have all the latest supported AT&T bands. You could have signal penetration issues with the building you're in if your issues are indoors and haven't tried addressing it with a MicroCell (which it sounds like they offered to you). In my own area, they shifted the LTE bands used to ones with less penetration, and I lost some signal indoors in my home region. Wifi calling support has become a lot more important to ensure that you maintain connectivity everywhere you go, so simply upgrading to more modern devices is likely to help a great deal. Given your price range & OS preference, and given that with AT&T, you need a carrier-branded phone (with very few exceptions) to get full feature support, you might want to look at something like a used AT&T Moto Z2 Force or Samsung Galaxy S8 over on Swappa.

It also sounds like you might benefit from some "catching up" in terms of the latest tech and methodology. By your own admission, you haven't kept up, and a lot of the things you mention above (ex.- running WHS, using FTP, FolderSync, rooting phones) have been supplanted by newer and better ways of doing things. Not knocking you, of course, as those are all things I used to do, too. There have just been so many advances that a lot of those things just aren't necessary anymore. Good luck, and have fun!
 

bob4432

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It sounds like your needs are basic enough that you could probably go Prepaid (ex.- Cricket) and save a little. If you stick with AT&T as-is, you can currently get a shared plan with 3 lines and 3gb/month of data for the same $100 you're paying now (or 9gb for $120/month).

With regard to the signal, there are way too many potential issues at play for you to just blame the carrier. You're using at least five-year old hardware that wouldn't support VoLTE, HDVoice, Wifi calling & wouldn't have all the latest supported AT&T bands. You could have signal penetration issues with the building you're in if your issues are indoors and haven't tried addressing it with a MicroCell (which it sounds like they offered to you). In my own area, they shifted the LTE bands used to ones with less penetration, and I lost some signal indoors in my home region. Wifi calling support has become a lot more important to ensure that you maintain connectivity everywhere you go, so simply upgrading to more modern devices is likely to help a great deal. Given your price range & OS preference, and given that with AT&T, you need a carrier-branded phone (with very few exceptions) to get full feature support, you might want to look at something like a used AT&T Moto Z2 Force or Samsung Galaxy S8 over on Swappa.

It also sounds like you might benefit from some "catching up" in terms of the latest tech and methodology. By your own admission, you haven't kept up, and a lot of the things you mention above (ex.- running WHS, using FTP, FolderSync, rooting phones) have been supplanted by newer and better ways of doing things. Not knocking you, of course, as those are all things I used to do, too. There have just been so many advances that a lot of those things just aren't necessary anymore. Good luck, and have fun!

While I fully admit about not keeping up w/ the cell tech, may I ask what in particular has been 'upgrade' so I can root, and why is syncing up to my own SFTP server?

I use Nova Launcher because I like the layout flexibility and running a 'leaned' out version of Android? Would I lose the features that I need w/ running the current official version of LineageOS? I look forward to your response - and just so you know, I took no offense to it in any way.

Bob
 

bassoprofundo

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While I fully admit about not keeping up w/ the cell tech, may I ask what in particular has been 'upgrade' so I can root, and why is syncing up to my own SFTP server?

I use Nova Launcher because I like the layout flexibility and running a 'leaned' out version of Android? Would I lose the features that I need w/ running the current official version of LineageOS? I look forward to your response - and just so you know, I took no offense to it in any way.

Bob

So, when it comes to rooting, like Dulanic mentions above, it's more a matter of what you LOSE these days when you do that in comparison to what you would gain by doing it. Specifically, you'll lose warranty support with some manufacturers and often trip a (mostly) irreversible security bit that keeps you from using certain phone features that rely on the integrity of that security container (ex.- Samsung Knox security, features like Samsung Pay). Your phone, of course, becomes inherently less secure now that that wall is down, leaving the door open (even further than it already is on Android) for naughty apps & naughtier folks to do more damage. Some apps flat refuse to run when they detect you're rooted (ex- bank apps, netflix), so you have to resort to workarounds. You lose automatic updates from you carrier & OEM, including any firmware/baseband enhancements. Particularly important to your situation (given the signal issues and such and the fact that you're on AT&T), you may well lose access to carrier-specific features like VoLTE, HDVoice, Wifi-calling, Advanced Messaging, etc. with 3rd-party ROMs.

In return, you really just get the same things you've always gotten... custom ROM support, over/underclocking, ability to add/remove even system level apps, and support for apps/frameworks that require deeper level system access than the default configs allow. Fun and cool? Sure. Necessary? Almost certainly not... I'd argue that the connectivity and security perks you stand to lose are core to today's mobile experience and far outweigh the extra tweakability you get from root.

Let me clarify... I was right there with you back in the day... All my WinMo phones ran custom ROMs, my iPhones were jailbroken, and my Android devices were rooted. Android and WinMo default images on the hardware of the day were so bad that you needed third parties to come to the rescue and save you from technological hell, and the iPhone was so locked down and limited that you couldn't do basic customization without jailbreaking. Smartphones were much more of a "nice to have" rather than a virtual necessity. If my phone ended out in a bootloop from a bad flash, I just picked up the landline. Security was an afterthought (ex.- "Bank from my phone? Yeah, right... ") on mobile. For some phones, you needed to change the CPU governor and overclock to make them usable. You needed 3rd-party tweaks to fix what your carrier broke. Today, even the previously worst OEMs (looking at you Samsung) have gotten their acts together for the most part on the software front, and advances in hardware have made even the worst instances of what would have been previously called "bloat" irrelevant. A modern Android smartphone, left unrooted, but configured with the launcher of your choosing (I'm all about Nova, too), gives you all of the visual (and some of the underpinning) customization you could want AND lets you keep the core features & perks intact. Frankly, the hardest part of this whole shift was for me to get out of the mindset that I truly NEEDED to do everything I was used to doing... to stop overengineering complicated solutions for things that were less of an issue... to stop tweaking what actually was pretty decent now on its own... to focus my attention on actual issues vs worrying about the minutia I thought I needed to fix. Every one of the core needs you mentioned (ex.- tethering, music streaming, GPS, quality camera, calendar sync with shared accts, etc.) is going to be well-served by a modern smartphone even at its defaults. I'd encourage you to start there and honestly see what it is you truly NEED that can't be accomplished before you go down the root path.

In a similar vein, it sounds like there is room for simplification in how you're doing some things, and there are some great, super-simple modern solutions you might want to try. A couple of examples from your description:

  • - "FolderSync to be able to sync whichever folders on the phone to my home server via FTPs which would go onto a RAID1 Array on my Home Server which is then backed up to external HDDs"
    • This entire setup could be augmented or even replaced with free or inexpensive cloud storage (Dropbox, Google Drive, Onedrive). Or, maybe you split the difference, and maintain the home server box but utilize the cloud services as offsite storage and sync providers and get the best of both worlds. Any of the services mentioned can keep your data in sync in realtime amongst devices, relieve you of the complexity of maintaining a custom sync solution, AND reduce the demands on your home uplink.
    • Is the data you sync/store and to which you need access mostly media (photos/videos/music)? Google Photos gives you unlimited, free photo backup (at high quality, <12mp) or relatively cheap storage at full quality. Google Music lets you upload your own library of up to 50000 songs. Also, have you looked into running Plex (plex.tv)? It will turn your home server into a virtual "jukebox" of your own media. Not only that, you can enable auto upload of your camera content from your smartphones and have all of your pics go directly to your home server and media library without the complexity of a custom sync solution.
    • For your home hardware, have you looked at a NAS? If you just need storage, you can replace the complexity and power requirements of a full-blown server with a small box you "set and forget"?
  • "using GO Contact Sync Mod to sync it w/ Outlook for an additional backup/place to look up the calendar"
    • Why maintain a manual sync process limited to a single PC vs just mapping the calendar via the sharing and integration options from Gmail? If you want to be able to view that calendar somewhere other than in the gmail web or mobile clients (ex.- Outlook), you can simply add that calendar using a link. In gmail itself, under the "settings for my calendars", you can get a custom link to any of your calendars in .ics format that you just plug into any other client that supports the standard. You lose the complexity of the manual sync, and you avoid the risk of jacking up your calendar when a sync goes bad (assuming you have 2-way sync going... It happened to me, and it was BAD).
Sorry for the long "novel" here... I hope some of the above helps, and I'd be glad to answer any other questions. Thanks for the confirmation, too, that you received the message in the spirit in which it was intended (trying to be helpful vs trolling). It's always good to hear that given how easy it is to misread tone on the interwebz. Again, good luck in your journey here, and have fun!
 

bob4432

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Thanks for the explanation, seems they fixed the stuff was broken around the s5.

Will definitely take your advice
 

bob4432

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OK, MIL had a heart attack (survived) so that put things on the back burner for a bit. I am re-assessing some of my needs and feel like I would rather go with 2 NEW phones in the $150-300 range to get maximum "Evolution" benefit from the years that I was out of sync w/ tech. I appreciate everyone's suggestions and have listened.

Here is what I have come up w/:
- FTP Sync - This is a personal issue w/ me - mostly to backup of photos to my home server - it is on as close as possible to 24/7/365 and honestly I do not want my data everywhere (insert control freak here).

- Setting up the calendar so I can use it in my GMail account sounds like a good idea and not have to worry about syncing the calendar via the current setup would be good. I will probably still have the GO Contact Sync still setup on the laptop and I do opt for 2 way updates, but I do have the merge prompt on and I will just change the syncing to much further out or just do it manual. Again, another control freak thing.

- In regards to rooting, got it - will not worry about it. Now the question becomes what phone/carrier combination has the leanest Android install on it? I have called some of the carriers and for some reason the CS people seem baffled by the question. I honestly do not understand why they would seem baffled - what apps are these manf/carriers offering that are so good that I would really want all of their apps on the phone? Again, in the dark about this and even talking to some of the carriers just made my understanding of what they offer w/ their bloatware so great. OR, am I just assuming that the phones will come w/ a lot of bloatware based on the years of past experience? Is a new phone today a pretty lean Android install or do the manf/carriers still really pack if full of useless (to me) apps to require me to take up the rooting in the past?

- About WiFi calling support - is it an option that is going to show up on a phone specs say at GSMArena or ? If it can keep my ability to make a call from inside my condo either a yes or no, I am good w/ that as I do believe my condo in and of itself has something to do w/ RF reception and transmission and I cannot even get ANY OTA TV channels regardless of what antenna I use, and I have tried A LOT, and for some reason I have and insane amount of 110V AC outlets in my condo, sometimes to the point that I will have 1 outlet 3' off the floor and another directly underneath it at about 1' off the floor, it is ridiculous. I am starting to feel like the condo in and of itself is an extremely bad built Faraday cage. When we had friends of ours over that are industrial electricians come and swap out all the outlets and switches, they were not only blown away by the shear volume of outlets/switches, but also the amount of 'extra' wire that was in the walls themselves. I can honestly say that if I had 1/2 the amount of outlets, I would still have a decent amount. Why this was condo was built like this is beyond me (my wife and I have joked many times that at least this building in the condo complex was built as part of a Vocational School project), but it is something I cannot change and I need to do what I can do for best workaround since I am not moving anytime soon.

- One new question that I need to address that I completely forgot about in the first post was that I need a phone that will allow the recording of both sides of a phone call w/out a limitation of the length of a recording (obviously the size of the memory would be the limiting factor, but I can address that and just put a large SD card in the phone). One party recording is perfectly legal in my state and is (for me) an absolute necessity for some phone calls I make. The way I do it w/ the S5 is connect the S5 w/ a headphone/mic and use RecForge to record both sides of the conversation in excellent (at least for a phone call - 16bit, 22KHz, Mono) quality. I have RecForge to record directly to MP3 so not even a .wav -> MP3 conversion is necessary. Being a MP3 file, the fact that just about any device that plays digital music will play a MP3 audio file. Now the new question is would all phones do this or is it a trial and error type of situation and I would have to figure out which phones do this and if this is the case, how would I figure it out by looking at the spec sheet? Is there some spec listed on a phone that lets you know this type of recording is possible? I did not know that the S5 could even do this as there is not any spec that says it can do this, other than rumors of certain roms that offer the feature to record phone conversations, but even the roms that offered this option would usually not implement the feature. Is there anyway spec or wording that would let me know that both party call recording is part of the software implementation? I have to emphasize that any phone that would not allow this ability would be excluded completely regardless of everything else the phone offered, hell even if it was free and had 100% signal in my quasi Faraday cage condo.

- Last, I have not taken any post in any negative way, nor has it come across that way. I just appreciate you guys for responding and guiding me back into current 2018/2019 phone info vs 2014/2015. Thank you.

Again, as always, appreciate the suggestions and getting me a bit more up-to-speed than I was when I first wrote post 1,
Bob
 
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bassoprofundo

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So one by one here...

  • FTP Sync - Sounds like you're set on this, so there's no reason you couldn't stick with your old Foldersync solution. You're familiar with it, you have the server side already set up, and there's no reason it shouldn't work the same as it did before (ex - app doesn't require root, works on any android phone, etc)
  • Calendar/contact sync - Use Gmail as the "base" as indicated. It'll be accessible from the web and from any mobile device using the appropriate apps. If you insist on some sort of manual setup to back them up periodically, I'd stick with a one-way used only as a backup/export and use the appropriate app or web interface to do any "writes". All it takes is a botched sync due to an sync app or backend change to jack up your online cal/contact store
  • Rooting/Lean Phones/etc. - I'm still missing what your real concern here is given the modern ecosystem. Are you concerned with performance, lack of storage, or is it just a control thing a la "I don't want your apps on my phone"?
    • Modern flagship devices are all more than capable from a hardware perspective of handling any real or perceived "bloatware" from carriers or OEMs. As such, none of them require rooting, debloating, etc. If you don't want to use the carrier or OEM apps, install your app of choice and go to town. That's the great thing about Android.
    • If storage is your concern, you can 1) Buy a phone with more storage (ex.- Samsung's current offerings go up to 1 TB on the high end) and/or 2) Buy a phone with an SD slot (ex.- You either won't be able to (many phones block adoptable storage) or won't want to (due to performance slowdowns) use it for app storage, but you can put as much data & media as you want on them).
    • If it's simply a control thing, that's more of a personal philosophy thing for you to deal with. Just about every phone out there is going to have something you can't uninstall, but if it really freaks you out, picking up something like a Google edition (not Verizon) Pixel or a OnePlus phone and using it on T-Mobile is about as clean of a combination as you can get while still keeping support for the features the carrier provides. You might want to read something like this for a decent read on why this stuff just isn't a big deal now for some perspective.
  • Wifi Calling- As I alluded to before, Wifi calling is a combo offering that requires both phone and carrier support. Every Android phone out there technically can support Wifi Calling. However, some carriers only support it on certain phones. If you're talking AT&T, you'll get it only on carrier model phones, iPhones of any kind, and maybe on some either devices AT&T is aware of and has certified (ex.- Pixel 3 and 3xl should work). Any other unlocked phones won't get it, and even a few of the ones they sell on the Android side on the lower end may not be supported. I think T-Mobile is the most liberal on this policy, but it may require additional config if you bring in an unlocked phone. No clue on Verizon and Sprint's policy, but I know it's tougher in general to bring unlocked phones there due to legacy CDMA support.
  • Call recording - This is an app-level function more than something a phone would support. There are plenty of call recording apps out there on Google Play, so just do your homework, read the reviews, etc. and pick up one that meets your needs and has decent reviews from users of the phone model you plan to get. You should even be able to do that with an app on your S5 without the workaround you describe, but it may not work as well just due to the horsepower needed to do it. I've used call recorder pro on my last few phones, and it's met my needs ok.
Overall, you may find that your price range and your requirement for NEW phones will be limiting factors. Nothing you can buy off the shelf from a carrier or OEM in that range will be worth having. Your best bet may be to look somewhere like Swappa for a flagship phone from the last couple of generations (ex.- something like the Moto Z2 Force can be found new in your price range and still has decent specs - SD835 cpu, 64gb storage, microSD support, clean Android load). Whether you go with something older but flagship or something NEW-new but underspec'd, you're not going to get much in the way of software support in the long term. Most low-end models don't get squat in the way of updates, and most flagships get 1-2 major updates over a 2-3 year cycle. In this price bracket, you'll have to compromise somewhere.
 

bob4432

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I appreciate your responses and will not worry so much about bloat, etc. I am thinking that after the information gleaned from here and other places online, going w/ a carry specific phone will not be such a hassle anymore. Next, I will make the sync'ing of the calender to Outlook a 1way road and do it manually w/ the sync'ing software asking what to do if a duplicate is/when encountered.

The reason why I do the phone recording the way I do is because it was, at the time I started to record, RecForge worked better than anything else available, because not only do I record phone calls, but sometimes I need to record a Home Owners Meeting or something like that (those that live w/ an HOA understand this). I have been using RecForge for A LONG time, on the multiple generations of phones before even the S5s, and no phone ever had issues recording straight to MP3. Honestly, since I use headphones to talk anyway when making phones calls, to record said phone call w/ RecForge is just 1click to start up RecForge and then clicking the 'Record' button in RecForge. From a hardware perspective RecForge has never used much in terms of hardware because it has been on some pretty weak phones and I have always had it record straight to MP3 without issue.

As far as a flagship phone - for an example say I have $225-$250 to spend per phone (as I need 2 phones, preferably the same type). Are you saying I am better off getting a flagship device that I can find for $225-$250 (even though it would be a few years old), vs paying for I guess what would be a middle tier phone that is more up-to-date, say something like a moto g6 or g7? Wouldn't having a newer device be in my best interest if my main issue with connectivity as I am not even close to maxing out the hardware of the S5s?

Last, does anybody know off the top of their head which carriers offer the best trial periods?

Thanks in advance,
Bob

EDIT: I should stress that I do not need the power of a flagship device. I just do not use the phones enough to justify spending the $$ for a current flagship device. I do not game on the phone or anything like that. I use it for calls, txting and pics and, of course, recording.
 
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bassoprofundo

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After reading your last post, it looks like you'd be fine with something like a G7. You do lose out on best-in-class cameras if you go with a budget phone, but it sounds like your needs would be met regardless.

One last note... I just noticed from your first post that you mentioned you were using a T-Mobile phone on AT&T's network. The T-Mobile S5 supports LTE bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20. AT&T uses 2, 4, 5, 12, 14, 17, 29, 30, & 66, and in most areas, 12 & 17 are their preferred bands. This means you're using a phone that only supports 2 of the 9 bands and neither of the primary bands. It's even possible that your phone doesn't support the main AT&T band in use in your region. Also note that they've changed the bands in use in many areas over the last 3-4 years as they've retired and repurposed 2g bands and rolled out entirely new ones. I saw my own signal drop from a full 5 bars indoors to 2-3 most of the time when they changed bands in my area. All this plus your "Faraday cage" condo all but ensures you're going to get awful signal. Again, if signal is your issue, don't discount the importance of a carrier model, especially if you stick with AT&T. You'll want that Wifi Calling and VoLTE support plus the guarantee that your phone's firmware/baseband/etc. are optimized for the network you're using.

Good luck!
 
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bob4432

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@bassoprofundo thanks again for the info. After reading your last post I guess I should be happy to be even getting what I get. Honestly, when I bought these S5s, I did not even look at what bands they supported vs what I had.
I in a bit of a pickle as I really do not want to stay w/ AT&T but don't have the time to research and try the different carriers at the moment as I was thinking of a unlocked phone strictly to be able to move carriers on my time table and not have a carrier specific phone, but this would mean that the phone wouldn't be really 'tuned' to any carrier specifically. I have noticed now that the unlocked phones seem to support all or most of the bands out of the box, which seems good but I am guessing carrier specific is the best way to go?
I gave AT&T support a call regarding some of the Moto phones & WiFi Calling and the best answer I could get from the support girl was "Yes, that phone supports WiFi" (they couldn't grasp WiFi calling vs just having a phone that supported WiFi in general). I thanked them for their attempt at help, was given a number for better tech support and gave that a try. I called this different # only to find it was the # for activation, so i called back to the original # and got a different rep who said he could handle any problem with no issue (I thought to myself, "Oh no!"), only problem with this guy was I couldn't understand his English and couldn't get past him to "real" tech support.
So @bassoprofundo how do you feel about just an unlocked phone that seems to support all the bands like a G7 or even the Z2 Force that you linked to earlier as I am planning to move away from AT&T, just am not sure where I end up. On paper the Z2 Force is about 2.5x faster than my current S5 or the G7 and for the same $$ as the G7, well, not that I need the extra speed but price being equal I would not bitch about a faster phone.

Thanks in advance for your information & patience,
Bob
 

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I hear you on the CS experience. Unfortunately, it's a roll of the dice sometime as to whether or not you get someone with a clue. The one commonality that you do get is that they all know how to sell you something.

Regarding the phones, it's really a toss up... With the Z2 Force, you'd get a phone that's faster. With the G7, you'll probably get slightly longer software support. I haven't owned a G series since v4 myself, though, so I can't say for sure how well they keep up with updates. If you're definitely planning to move away from AT&T, you might be just as well with a completely unlocked model from the OEM itself since they'll be sending any updates directly vs through the carrier. Again, just keep in mind that if you want to move to Verizon or Sprint, you're going to want a phone that also supports their CDMA networks as a fallback, and they're also pickier about what phones they'll even "let" onto their network. If you're going to T-Mo, you should be fine with pretty much any unlocked phone that supports their LTE bands.
 
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bob4432

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@bassoprofundo thanks again for the info. AT&T has been bending me over for quite some time so I really do not feel like I should keep rewarding them for their behavior with my business, and mind you, this is with a 25% discount from being with an extremely large corporation. My plan is not some unlimited data plan, but their Mobile Share Advantage 1GB (per smartphone) plan for $100/mo total. This account has 2 smartphones and 1 dumb phone (only data is txt on this phone, absolutely no web access). I use 1GB/mo without even using the phones data ability other than mapping and calendar updating when out, along w/ whatever data is being automatically sent w/out my clear knowledge from differnt apps, but since there is no social media or anything like that I am curious what would use the data. In an effort to keep my data use to the least possible, I always have a updated 'offline' map on the phone, so I guess the only thing that is needed would be to update traffic information, unless the phone goes ahead and gets new map data even though there is current 'offline' map available to it?

One of the main issues I see w/ the plan, and plans in general is that you pay full price for a dumb phone even if it does not have data. This phone is one of the phones on my plan, and its cost on the plan is the same as the Galaxy S5s, even though I have instructed AT&T to not allow anything other than phone calls and texting on this particular unit. I just cannot wrap my head around the thought.

Anywho, as always thanks for the info and suggestions,
Bob
 
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bob4432

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Since I need to buy 2 phones @ up to $300/ea, anybody know of any bogo programs that do not require a contract & would offer unlocked phones so I am locked in to any carrier? I have googled and found A LOT of Samsung S9 and I think S10 bogos, but they were in the form of monthly credits over a multi year time frame. Is this how it is done now? It appears I am wanting my cake and the ability to eat it too, which doesn't seem to be what the carriers are offering, at least what I have found. Anybody know of a $500-$700 phone bogo w/out contract?

Thanks,
Bob
 

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Get two used galaxy s9 plus .. or a lg snapdragon 845 variant if way cheaper. The antenna are very good battery life pretty good.. I bet u can find for 300 with tiny crack on the backside or even less soon.. the antenna helps so much I used to only get 2g most of the time here with every other phone now I have 4glte 90% the time and 4g 8% and I disabled 2g so sometimes I get 0g! I think u should avoid pie phones right? I think recording is harder on those but I really am unsure as I only used phone recording when I was a child making prank calls. I think u are using fir business details.. I'd buy used good modem phone (845 or better Qualcomm)

Redpocket att unlimited 3g (after 6gb 4glte) for 200 a year and Verizon 2gb month fr 180 a year with a few other plans for grandma and my dad @ 100? A year we all love redpocket
 

bob4432

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Appreciate the response. Regarding recording the phone calls, using RecForge, I set it to the 'back microphone', connect a headphone/mic via 3.5mm connection (assuming this can be done w/ a USB C (?) connected headphone/mic or possibly via BT (I have a old skook PS3 BT headpohne/mic that I will try this out with and see how it works, also think I have a Jabra headphone/mic that I need to locate the charging stand for...)) and it records both sides of the conversation in excellent quality, and yes, this is legal for me and is for business or other important phone calls where the other party has a history of changing their story when true facts are necessary.

Will have a look @ the s9 (assuming it should be cheaper because Samsung dropped the S10 so quick after the S9) and also a Snapdragon 845 variant. To be honest, from what I have read, from the benchmarks on gsmarena, a Snapdragon 636 is the minimum that I need - this chipset seems to give very close scores to the chipset that is in my S5 (Snapdragon 801, circa Feb 2014).

I am going to buy a TMobile SIM card w/ ~$30-$50 (Data,TXT & Phone) on it and see how it works in my Faraday cage condo. If that works well, I will be looking very much @ GoogleFi - unless anybody has GoogleFi and has a reason not to go that route - if you do PLEASE let me know your issues w/ GoogleFi.

Appreciate the suggestion,
Bob
 

bassoprofundo

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If you go the Google Fi route but don't use a Pixel (or other FI-certified phone), you lose one of the key Fi benefits, which is the ability for the phone to switch networks dynamically according to which is best in your current area.

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Indus

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Appreciate the response. Regarding recording the phone calls, using RecForge, I set it to the 'back microphone', connect a headphone/mic via 3.5mm connection (assuming this can be done w/ a USB C (?) connected headphone/mic or possibly via BT (I have a old skook PS3 BT headpohne/mic that I will try this out with and see how it works, also think I have a Jabra headphone/mic that I need to locate the charging stand for...)) and it records both sides of the conversation in excellent quality, and yes, this is legal for me and is for business or other important phone calls where the other party has a history of changing their story when true facts are necessary.

Will have a look @ the s9 (assuming it should be cheaper because Samsung dropped the S10 so quick after the S9) and also a Snapdragon 845 variant. To be honest, from what I have read, from the benchmarks on gsmarena, a Snapdragon 636 is the minimum that I need - this chipset seems to give very close scores to the chipset that is in my S5 (Snapdragon 801, circa Feb 2014).

I am going to buy a TMobile SIM card w/ ~$30-$50 (Data,TXT & Phone) on it and see how it works in my Faraday cage condo. If that works well, I will be looking very much @ GoogleFi - unless anybody has GoogleFi and has a reason not to go that route - if you do PLEASE let me know your issues w/ GoogleFi.

Appreciate the suggestion,
Bob

I have Tmobile and it is good but 1 thing drives me crazy - dropped calls in which someone calling me has their call go straight to voicemail.
 
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