Negro Leagues' statistics will be incorporated into Major League Baseball’s historical records.

[HomerJS]

Countdown to right wingers heads exploding. Cries of "woke" and "DEI" without any thought to the contribution by those players to baseball.

Congrats to Josh Gibson superseding Ty Cobb with the new career batting average of .372

Negro Leagues' statistics\nwill be incorporated into Major League Baseball’s historical records on Wednesday

Players' achievements in the Negro Leagues from 1920-1948 will finally be recognized by MLB, significantly changing baseball's record books.

www.usatoday.com

 

[iRONic]

I'd love to see other organizations and institutions doing this. Highlighting older history that these snowflake fucks are trying to whitewash.

 

[skyking]

Most excellent!
My mom was a big baseball fan and my sister surprised her by signing her up as an ambassador volunteer for the 2001 All Star game in Seattle.
Her all time high was meeting Buck O'Neil there and spending some time with him. She was volunteering from a wheelchair pushed by us sibs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_O'Neil
Mom would have been thrilled by this news.
I will text the sibs!

 

[IronWing]

Good on them.

However, any sport that requires advanced statistics to be at all interesting, even to the fans, is boring.

 

[skyking]

Good on them.

However, any sport that requires advanced statistics to be at all interesting, even to the fans, is boring.

This is an easy problem to solve. See baseball in the thread title? Just walk on by

 

[brycejones]

Most excellent!
My mom was a big baseball fan and my sister surprised her by signing her up as an ambassador volunteer for the 2001 All Star game in Seattle.
Her all time high was meeting Buck O'Neil there and spending some time with him. She was volunteering from a wheelchair pushed by us sibs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_O'Neil
Mom would have been thrilled by this news.
I will text the sibs!

That they waited to put Buck in the hall of fame until after he died was such bullshit.

 

[Stokely]

Considering so many changes have been made to any sport (ok, maybe not soccer--er, futbol) over the decades, all-time records are pretty iffy anyway. More or less games per season being maybe the biggest one. Still, this a great move.

 

[gothuevos]

The negro leagues were considered more competitive/talented compared to MLB during that time anyway, so it makes sense to incorporate the stats. It was not a skill barrier, obviously.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The negro leagues were considered more competitive/talented compared to MLB during that time anyway, so it makes sense to incorporate the stats. It was not a skill barrier, obviously.

They will still argue it is though. "they didn't compete against the obviously better white players".

Can see it now.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Countdown to right wingers heads exploding. Cries of "woke" and "DEI" without any thought to the contribution by those players to baseball.

Congrats to Josh Gibson superseding Ty Cobb with the new career batting average of .372

Negro Leagues' statistics\nwill be incorporated into Major League Baseball’s historical records on Wednesday

Players' achievements in the Negro Leagues from 1920-1948 will finally be recognized by MLB, significantly changing baseball's record books.

www.usatoday.com

I fully anticipate the calls to boycott baseball in 3,2,1. Also, a .372 lifetime batting average is insane.

 

[skyking]

That plus wearing the tools of ignorance <catcher's gear>.

 

[MrSquished]

The woke mind virus! Only Elon can save us!

 

[Meghan54]

Good on them.

However, any sport that requires advanced statistics to be at all interesting, even to the fans, is boring.

Wow. Thx for clueing me in that wins, losses and batting averages are advanced statistics. 👍

 

[thilanliyan]

OMG, CRT invading everything!! Quick, call DeSantis, only he can save us!

 

[FirNaTine]

They will still argue it is though. "they didn't compete against the obviously better white players".

Can see it now.

I never quite understood why people need to feel their race/ethnicity is better than others. It's not like you choose or earn it. For every great white baseball player, astronaut, or scientist, there's a Dahmer, Manson, or Epstein. I don't claim the success of the former, or treachery of the latter simply because we share a similar amount of melanin.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Wow. Thx for clueing me in that wins, losses and batting averages are advanced statistics. 👍

I swear baseball fans get off on hearing stats. I know other sports quote stats all the time, but somehow it doesn't seem to have quite the same weight as it does in baseball.

 

[Stokely]

I never quite understood why people need to feel their race/ethnicity is better than others. It's not like you choose or earn it. For every great white baseball player, astronaut, or scientist, there's a Dahmer, Manson, or Epstein. I don't claim the success of the former, or treachery of the latter simply because we share a similar amount of melanin.

I do take pride in being a firefighter and paramedic, because I did choose that, and took effort to achieve it. I also take in the shame when one of us is convicted of crimes using our position and authority because it is on us to police our own, and prevent those abuses and hold accountable those that commit the crimes.

The really dumb and funny (to me at least) part is that more and more people are mixed ethnicities, including my own kids. One of which looks more white than not, the other is reversed.

Most "black" people are at least part "white" and sometimes way more than you'd think--I've seen some really funny ancestry dna reveals where people got a shock. I mean, Obama was considered "african-american" (including by himself), yet he was at least half "white".

It's all a crock. Small-minded people just want a way to put themselves above others. If not skin color, it'll be stars on bellies vs no stars. They can't do it on merit, and can't stand it when people that used to know "their place" are getting uppity and want equality. A tie feels like losing when you've only ever been on top.

As MLK said: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Never thought of this however it is a great idea.

 

[feralkid]

If not skin color, it'll be stars on bellies vs no stars.


Uh-oh can o worms opened.

 

[FirNaTine]

The really dumb and funny (to me at least) part is that more and more people are mixed ethnicities, including my own kids. One of which looks more white than not, the other is reversed.

Most "black" people are at least part "white" and sometimes way more than you'd think--I've seen some really funny ancestry dna reveals where people got a shock. I mean, Obama was considered "african-american" (including by himself), yet he was at least half "white".

It's all a crock. Small-minded people just want a way to put themselves above others. If not skin color, it'll be stars on bellies vs no stars. They can't do it on merit, and can't stand it when people that used to know "their place" are getting uppity and want equality. A tie feels like losing when you've only ever been on top.

As MLK said: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

I’ve heard up to 90% of “African Americans” have at least some white heritage, at least part of which was slaveholders basically using some of their female slaves as concubines, and more recently by intermarriage.

 

[manly]

I swear baseball fans get off on hearing stats. I know other sports quote stats all the time, but somehow it doesn't seem to have quite the same weight as it does in baseball.

Although the game has changed a lot strategically, esp. in the 21st Century around sabermetrics, the underlying view of stats is fairly stable. There are a few outliers such as the dead ball era, the 'roids era or today's power era but you can compare a modern player to Ted Williams in batting prowess, or to Babe Ruth in power.

It is hard or impossible to do this in football or basketball, or in most sports where modern athletes simply perform better than their long-dead predecessors. (Although I'm not sure how to classify Wilt Chamberlain except that he arrived a couple decades ahead of his time.)

Although I'm not a baseball fan, there's a certain elegance to the game itself that transcends eras. There hasn't been a real need for rule changes due to athletes getting faster/stronger; the stuff like speeding up the game has been to make it more fan-friendly. Baseball is inherently a more conservative game than the other two.

 

[zinfamous]

This is great and really should have happened 50 or more years ago. It's really insane. lol, fucking Ty Cobb. Suck it, asshole!

Especially when you look at the HoF going back to the earliest days. At one point, you just needed to "participate" prior to 1900 or whatever and you're in the HoF. It's also littered with wildly admitted cheaters that played into the 30s and 49s: corked bats and greased balls, especially. Nothing ever done to them. Meanwhile Bonds and McGuire aren't allowed, which I find fucking insane. ...McGuire especially who, as I recall, didn't use anything illegal while he played--it was after his time that it was added to the banned list.

 

[Meghan54]

This is great and really should have happened 50 or more years ago. It's really insane. lol, fucking Ty Cobb. Suck it, asshole!

Especially when you look at the HoF going back to the earliest days. At one point, you just needed to "participate" prior to 1900 or whatever and you're in the HoF. It's also littered with wildly admitted cheaters that played into the 30s and 49s: corked bats and greased balls, especially. Nothing ever done to them. Meanwhile Bonds and McGuire aren't allowed, which I find fucking insane. ...McGuire especially who, as I recall, didn't use anything illegal while he played--it was after his time that it was added to the banned list.

As to your last point…it’s true baseball hadn’t outlawed “recreational” steroid use prior to McGuire, et al, getting “caught” using them, but it was illegal per US law to possess/use them without MzD prescription. They were illegal despite the MLB loophole.

 

[manly]

As to your last point…it’s true baseball hadn’t outlawed “recreational” steroid use prior to McGuire, et al, getting “caught” using them, but it was illegal per US law to possess/use them without MzD prescription. They were illegal despite the MLB loophole.

That wasn't exactly what he was referring to. As a player, McGwire openly used an OTC "supplement" that worked like a steroid but was not classified as such until 2004. McGwire had already retired in 2001. In a Congressional hearing in 2005, McGwire refused to answer questions about using steroids. He finally admitted in 2010 that he did take 'roids for many years.

Mark McGwire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So technically MLBers before 2004 weren't breaking professional rules until the league was shamed into instituting a doping policy. Amphetamines were widely used for decades before the 1990s.

But that's the essential problem with the steroids era; we kind of assume most good players used PEDs of some kind. I'm sure there were some outliers (anyone remember Dodgers CF Brett Butler?), but they mostly were players with modest careers compared to the juicers. I'm not gonna lie though; the post-strike years through the turn of the century was fun for baseball fans. By marketing the home run so much, MLB essentially encouraged PEDs.

I'd prefer that McGwire, Bonds, Roger Clemens and other roids era cheaters never get into the Hall of Fame. They sullied the game, ruined record books and affected careers of players who didn't cheat. Bonds in particular is an insufferable human being.

 

[Meghan54]

That wasn't exactly what he was referring to. As a player, McGwire openly used an OTC "supplement" that worked like a steroid but was not classified as such until 2004. McGwire had already retired in 2001. In a Congressional hearing in 2005, McGwire refused to answer questions about using steroids. He finally admitted in 2010 that he did take 'roids for many years.

Mark McGwire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So technically MLBers before 2004 weren't breaking professional rules until the league was shamed into instituting a doping policy. Amphetamines were widely used for decades before the 1990s.

But that's the essential problem with the steroids era; we kind of assume most good players used PEDs of some kind. I'm sure there were some outliers (anyone remember Dodgers CF Brett Butler?), but they mostly were players with modest careers compared to the juicers. I'm not gonna lie though; the post-strike years through the turn of the century was fun for baseball fans. By marketing the home run so much, MLB essentially encouraged PEDs.

I'd prefer that McGwire, Bonds, Roger Clemens and other roids era cheaters never get into the Hall of Fame. They sullied the game, ruined record books and affected careers of players who didn't cheat. Bonds in particular is an insufferable human being.

When McGuire himself states he used steroids, I’ll take him at his word. Of course, he majorly downplayed their effects, but did admit steroid use. btw…steroid use was never about increased hitting power (red herring introduced by the steroid cheats) but the much quicker recovery times. Lots easier to hit when your musculature doesn’t hurt worse each day from “abuse”…

And I’m quite sure McGuire, et al, know exactly the difference between steroids and OTC crap that has steroid-like activity. Hell, they were injecting the crap for years…

McGwire comes clean, admits steroids use

Mark McGwire finally came clean Monday, admitting he used steroids when he broke baseball's home run record in 1998.

www.espn.com