Nehalem Benchmarked

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Drsignguy
The last paragraph was a rather interesting take. Has there been an earlier platform manufactured of this magnitude?

Perhaps, but it was 5yrs ago.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1815

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1
x20 multiplier?

And why do some of these processors have more threads than cores? The P4 had this, then it went away, and now it's back again?

P4 research blended in with the P3 original research line, fitting perfectly well right after the Core Duo.

Basic map: P3 -> Centrino -> Core Duo -> Core 2 Duo -> Quad -> etc.

Money and brains. What's better than that?

 

[StinkyPinky]

How bad is this for AMD? Their current phenom gets well beaten by the Core2 cpu's. If Intel release this next year then AMD are going to be completely off the pace. Does anyone know what AMD's next processor will be like - a lot better than the phenom I hope!

 

[liebremx]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: liebremx

Originally posted by: Idontcare
The Vcore shown in CPUz is impressive if true.

Is highly possible that Vcore is incorrect since the VID encoding varies depending on the core type (e.g. Prescott vs Core) and other factors (desktop CPU Vs mobile CPU)

CPUz doesn't read VID it reads Vcore. Coretemp reads VID.

That's not to say that CPUz is correctly reading Vcore of course.

I bet CPUz is correctly reading Vcore but the chip was idle and as such Vcore was set to the appropriate VID as specified by the chip's sleep states. It'll be a mystery until it isn't.

So where does it get it from? The VRD registers?

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
How bad is this for AMD? Their current phenom gets well beaten by the Core2 cpu's. If Intel release this next year then AMD are going to be completely off the pace. Does anyone know what AMD's next processor will be like - a lot better than the phenom I hope!

shanghai is phenom at 45nm with 6mb L2 cache instead of 2mb. It's supposed to be released at the end of 08 or, more likely, Q1 09. it MIGHT be even with phenom clock/clock at best, but it is unlikely to get over 3ghz until 2h 09. enjoy your cheap cpus while you can...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Whats this enjoy your cheap CPu while you can stuFF. Are prices going Up . Did AMD release a C2D killer over night. Because thats the only way prices are going up. Intel will keep pricing the same on nehalem 45nm. When they switch to 32nm. they will be cheaper. Just like the C2D on 45nm are getting cheaper. Besides won't Intel Chipsets be cheaper for Nehalem . Thats what I here about AMD all the time .

I can't believe the same people post in video as Cpu. Yet so many video card guys buy a $500/$600 GPU every 6months. Just seems kinds funny to me.

A lot of people tring to say shit they know nothing about. $2000 for a desktop Xtreme nehalem desktop . Grow up.

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Whats this enjoy your cheap CPu while you can stuFF. Are prices going Up . Did AMD release a C2D killer over night. Because thats the only way prices are going up. Intel will keep pricing the same on nehalem 45nm. When they switch to 32nm. they will be cheaper. Just like the C2D on 45nm are getting cheaper. Besides won't Intel Chipsets be cheaper for Nehalem . Thats what I here about AMD all the time .

I can't believe the same people post in video as Cpu. Yet so many video card guys buy a $500/$600 GPU every 6months. Just seems kinds funny to me.

A lot of people tring to say shit they know nothing about. $2000 for a desktop Xtreme nehalem desktop . Grow up.

You are saying that if AMD releases a C2D killer, then price will go up throughout?

 

[dv8silencer]

Some more talk about Nehalem at Computex from TH
http://www.tomshardware.com/ne...-nehalem-cpu,5560.html

 

[zach0624]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Whats this enjoy your cheap CPu while you can stuFF. Are prices going Up . Did AMD release a C2D killer over night. Because thats the only way prices are going up. Intel will keep pricing the same on nehalem 45nm. When they switch to 32nm. they will be cheaper. Just like the C2D on 45nm are getting cheaper. Besides won't Intel Chipsets be cheaper for Nehalem . Thats what I here about AMD all the time .

I can't believe the same people post in video as Cpu. Yet so many video card guys buy a $500/$600 GPU every 6months. Just seems kinds funny to me.

A lot of people tring to say shit they know nothing about. $2000 for a desktop Xtreme nehalem desktop . Grow up.

What people meen is that if Intel release Nehalem and it totally dominates and causes AMD to go out of business. What that means for consumers is that Intel will have a monopoly on x86 cpus (Via doesn't count as a major competitor) and Intel will be able to release new architectures when they want and charge what they want until consumers migrate to a new architecture (will take a long time if it happens at all).

 

[Nemesis 1]

OK . Loosing AMD as A cpu maker would be bad. But Intel Is in a lawsuite. Saying they cheat at Marketing. Intel has the fabs to supply the world its needs . Does AMD NO . Intel says AMD can't compete in fab or tech . P4 was it bad or did Intel learn alot from P4??

What did you guys think Tick tock is all about. You can bet Intels lawyers Told Intel management to hit AMD hard and don't let them up . Its Intels best chance to prove that AMD just doesn't have what it takes. Sorry if you don't like that but its the trueth.

The way some of you talk its as if you don't want Nehalem to be a great CPU . Just to save AMD. So Intel should stop Nehalem from production. Stay with C2D untill AMD can catch up .

So to save AMD your willing to stop tech progress. Sorry I can't buy in to that . What happened to DEC. Intel puts AMD out of business than they will quite innovating. Is that what your saying? NO WAY!


We new about Nehalem and sandybridge the Pentium pro model before Merom was released. We know about sandy bridge now. BUT what comes after that ?????? Show me some roadmaps after Sandy. Can you? If U can't Y. 3 cpus designs in 6 years. Whats that tell ya. Intel is loaded for Bear and it looks like AMD is the lunch. Can you really blame intel for wrenching the fabs up and putting their engineers to work on refining . The fact that Merom / Nehalem/Sandy bridge are all based off the very old Pro pentium 3. I would really like to see AMD loose this lawsuite . Why. Because Intel has the fabs the engineering talent and the $$$. Its funny but Hectors only accomplishment in Tech . May be going down in the history books as the retard that woke up the sleeping giant.

You guys worry about innovation coming to a crawl if AMD folds. Look at what intel is tring to do with larrabbee. Aside from graphics what all will this 16 core 64 thread X86 GPU going to beable to do . I would say we haven't seen anything yet. So quite with the chicken little Bs. About the sky falling If AMD goes down .

 

[zach0624]

If AMD goes under why does Intel have to continue their tick-tock release schedule? They could push releases out for new architectures far enough so that all they are able to release products that can replace their old ones inorder to keep up with sales. Also if you got a program, say you needed it for work, but the computer you have to use can't run it what do you do? Buy a new one or don't use the program and thus don't do your work. What people are saying is that monopolies can basically do what they want and that's what Intel will become. No one is saying Intel should take it easy, they shouldn't that would be stupid of them, but rather people are pulling for AMD to make it through and be competitive with Intel to keep prices low. Basic economics.

Also the fact merom is based off p3 doesn't matter much since it has changed significantly,evolutionary, (p3->pentium m->core duo-> merom) as the pentium m was based off of p3 loosely and it made more sense to dump the p4 and evolve the p3 design. Evolution is the majority of cpu making although it is not w/o revolution(IMC) pushing tech further every now and then.

 

[SexyK]

Intel's basic CPU pricing structure has been the same for decades, spanning periods where AMD was virtually nonexistent and periods where AMD had a strong lead. In fact, basically the only time Intel has deviated from their basic pricing structure has been to lower prices, not raise them. If you think Intel will suddenly start charging $500 for entry-level CPUs were AMD to get out of the market, you are crazy, it just won't happen. For the primary reason that it makes no sense for Intel - they still want to sell as many CPUs as possible whether AMD is around or not! If prices jump, people will stick with their old machines that run Word and IE like butter and not worry about the latest and greatest, whereas if prices stay where they are, many people will be much more likely to upgrade.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SexyK
Intel's basic CPU pricing structure has been the same for decades, spanning periods where AMD was virtually nonexistent and periods where AMD had a strong lead. In fact, basically the only time Intel has deviated from their basic pricing structure has been to lower prices, not raise them. If you think Intel will suddenly start charging $500 for entry-level CPUs were AMD to get out of the market, you are crazy, it just won't happen. For the primary reason that it makes no sense for Intel - they still want to sell as many CPUs as possible whether AMD is around or not! If prices jump, people will stick with their old machines that run Word and IE like butter and not worry about the latest and greatest, whereas if prices stay where they are, many people will be much more likely to upgrade.

IF Intel effectively castrated AMD and enabled themselves to garner a very effective monopoly on the consumer PC market but did not leverage this power into driving up gross margins then as an Intel shareholder I would join the other shareholders in a class action lawsuit against Intel management for squandering the shareholder's rights to higher gross margins and profits.

It is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a poorly vieled monopoly in a manner which brings the wrath of the US DOJ upon it's shareholders should the DOJ elect to break-up Intel as they did AT&T.

Likewise it is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a well veiled monopoly and not slow-down R&D (go to a 4yr/node or 6yr/node cadence instead of the current 2yr/node cadence) so that the gross margins can increase while continuing to sell last years chips at last years prices for the next 2 years.

Intel won't raise prices, that would be the hallmark of a poorly vieled monopoly and it would be irresponsible. But Intel won't (can't) justify needlessly pouring billions of shareholder's dollars into R&D for next next next gen microarchitecture and process technology nodes. The litmus test for "needless" is when you have next to zero competition for the foreseeable future...i.e. a well vieled monopoly.

 

[Genx87]

Impressive stuff and looking forward to seeing what this and the next generation GPU's can do. With the expected release schedule and DDR3 requirement. I am glad for my E8400 purchase last month. That plus my old 8800GTS 640 will get me through to these beasts in the Fall\Winter of 09.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Likewise it is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a well veiled monopoly and not slow-down R&D (go to a 4yr/node or 6yr/node cadence instead of the current 2yr/node cadence) so that the gross margins can increase while continuing to sell last years chips at last years prices for the next 2 years.

Intel won't raise prices, that would be the hallmark of a poorly vieled monopoly and it would be irresponsible. But Intel won't (can't) justify needlessly pouring billions of shareholder's dollars into R&D for next next next gen microarchitecture and process technology nodes. The litmus test for "needless" is when you have next to zero competition for the foreseeable future...i.e. a well vieled monopoly.

So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

 

[kotrtim]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

That's the main reason why intel won't raise their price even if AMD go under, they have to compete with their own products, convince people that their new product is better or worth the upgrade, because office applications do not benefit much from anything more than dual core.

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
random letters strewn together

I was just thinking this thread needed more crack and less coherent thought.

Originally posted by: Idontcare
It is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a poorly vieled monopoly in a manner which brings the wrath of the US DOJ upon it's shareholders should the DOJ elect to break-up Intel as they did AT&T.

Likewise it is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a well veiled monopoly and not slow-down R&D (go to a 4yr/node or 6yr/node cadence instead of the current 2yr/node cadence) so that the gross margins can increase while continuing to sell last years chips at last years prices for the next 2 years.

Thank you for the refreshing breath of clarity. Yes, people, Intel is a business. It has to take care of its own needs, not yours. This is how you make more money.

Originally posted by: AmberClad
So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

No one's forcing you to buy replacements so often. (Or at all.)

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Foxery

Originally posted by: AmberClad
So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

No one's forcing you to buy replacements so often. (Or at all.)

Of course, but that's not my point. As far as Intel taking care of its own needs - isn't selling chips and making profit one of those needs? Well who is going to buy the same stale chips year after year?

 

[bryanW1995]

isn't that what we had from 03-06??? c2d was a HUGE step forward, more of a giant leap actually. I used to pay hundreds of dollars for a 20-30% improvement in a cpu. Now I just paid $300 to go from an athlon xp 2500+ to q6600 that is currently clocked at 3.528. Am I happy that I was able to upgrade so much for so little cost? of course. do I expect to be able to do this sort of thing indefinitely? hell no. However, I'll be more apt to wait in the future for opportunities like this before jumping on the upgrade bus, too. If intel is able to maintain a monopoly for a long period of time then opportunities for this type of huge leap forward will probably be much more rare at best and disappear altogether at worst.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well Guys as I see it . We have Nehalem next . Will it be a large boost over Merom yes it will. Than comes sandy bridge . will it be a big step forward yes it will . These three Cpu cover 3 shrinks 65nm 45 nm 32nm . This is your Monopoly money being used smartly . 50% margins makes Stock holders happy . But 60% is better. <- Die shrink . As long as intel is doing moores law they may as well do core improvements right along with it.

Its surprizing to see some say Intel as A monoply OH NO ! Its even more surprizing that some feel a cadence of 4/6 years as it use to be, as better than something new and improved every 2 years. Seems to me Intel is doing it right from a buyers perspective .
So we have people complaining abour Intel putting AMD out of business and saying innovation will surely die.

Than we have this new slant . That intel should take 18 years to do what its doing in 6 years. So which is it? Stall or play ball guys.

Jesus Foxery I hope you can read this. Don't want you hurting that mass between your ears. The fact you think intel should do in18 years what they can do in 6 says it all . You guys that think like this aren't for advancement . Your for your favorite compnay. How else can one come to any other conclusion?

 

[Acanthus]

I simply dont care until i can get one in my hands with a mobo for under $500.

Looks like 2009 before thats going to happen.

 

[Nemesis 1]

If you don't want to pay threw the nose thats correct. But looks like to me you have a fast system right now. My wifes is fast 24/7 @ 3.85. My cpu isn't as good as hers so mine is 3.6 24/7. So you can wait . I am happy . Wife is happy . Your happy with your QC2D

I am so looking forward to Nehalem on release . My wife has had the state of the art from introduction with Merom . I have never had that from the release date. Nehalem will be my first. I am excited but don't kid yourself the cost scares me .

xtreme nehalem= $$$
DDR3 3 channel= $$$
SSD in raid 0 4/6 drives with a card =$$$$.
R800 followed on release with larrabbee= $$$$.
Custom case and water cooling really expensive= $$$$$$

Ya I am excited but I can wait 5 months to spend that kind of $$$.

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Well who is going to buy the same stale chips year after year?

People who didn't upgrade last year, and new customers. There's always someone buying. And like bryan said, this is exactly what happened from about 2001-2006 with the Pentium 4 line. Performance advances during that time were absolutely pitiful, yet Intel consistently turned a profit.

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Jesus Foxery I hope you can read this. Don't want you hurting that mass between your ears. The fact you think intel should do in18 years what they can do in 6 says it all . You guys that think like this aren't for advancement . Your for your favorite compnay. How else can one come to any other conclusion?

I found some coherent sentences, so yep, I can read you for once. I see that you are continuing to put words in people's mouths and make up your own wild and baseless claims.

Intel is in the money making business, not the "making progress and improving the world for the benefit of humanity" business. Sometimes you and I benefit as consumers, because progress is profitable at the moment. And sometimes it isn't! Make some attempt to understand the world outside of your own four walls, or stop posting gibberish.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Come on . Its not gibberish at all. Intel is committed to moores law. Don't you think Intel should improve core logic with die shrinks. I do but being locked away in this cave puts me out of touch with reality . Thats is at least your reality anyway.

Wanting progress to progress puts me out of touch. OK. SO what is it when we want progress to take 18 years when Intel can do it in 6.

Please show me were I inserted words into your or anyone elses mouth. You can't because it never happened.

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Come on . Its not gibberish at all. Intel is committed to moores law. Don't you think Intel should improve core logic with die shrinks. I do but being locked away in this cave puts me out of touch with reality . Thats is at least your reality anyway.

Wanting progress to progress puts me out of touch. OK. SO what is it when we want progress to take 18 years when Intel can do it in 6.

Please show me were I inserted words into your or anyone elses mouth. You can't because it never happened.

Why do you have to destroy every thread you reply to?

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Well Guys as I see it . We have Nehalem next . Will it be a large boost over Merom yes it will. Than comes sandy bridge . will it be a big step forward yes it will . These three Cpu cover 3 shrinks 65nm 45 nm 32nm . This is your Monopoly money being used smartly .

There is no monopoly right now.