Nehalem Benchmarked

[Nemesis 1]

Yes it is. Intel has to play by differant rules than AMD. Note HP refussed 1 million free AMD cpus. If Intel would have done this all hell would have broken loose.


Why do you have to destroy every thread you reply to?

Thats an attack! Please back it up . I have clearly shown here that I want progress to move faster . But some here want Intel to stop innovating and wait for AMD. Clearly you can see this . AS others have.

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Yes it is. Intel has to play by differant rules than AMD. Note HP refussed 1 million free AMD cpus. If Intel would have done this all hell would have broken loose.


Why do you have to destroy every thread you reply to?

Thats an attack! Please back it up . I have clearly shown here that I want progress to move faster . But some here want Intel to stop innovating and wait for AMD. Clearly you can see this . AS others have.

This thread is about Nehalem's performance.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
If you don't want to pay threw the nose thats correct. But looks like to me you have a fast system right now. My wifes is fast 24/7 @ 3.85. My cpu isn't as good as hers so mine is 3.6 24/7. So you can wait . I am happy . Wife is happy . Your happy with your QC2D

I am so looking forward to Nehalem on release . My wife has had the state of the art from introduction with Merom . I have never had that from the release date. Nehalem will be my first. I am excited but don't kid yourself the cost scares me .

xtreme nehalem= $$$
DDR3 3 channel= $$$
SSD in raid 0 4/6 drives with a card =$$$$.
R800 followed on release with larrabbee= $$$$.
Custom case and water cooling really expensive= $$$$$$

Ya I am excited but I can wait 5 months to spend that kind of $$$.

I don't think you added your $'s right. My math shows that it would be more along the lines of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Foxery

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Jesus Foxery I hope you can read this. Don't want you hurting that mass between your ears. The fact you think intel should do in18 years what they can do in 6 says it all . You guys that think like this aren't for advancement . Your for your favorite compnay. How else can one come to any other conclusion?

I found some coherent sentences, so yep, I can read you for once. I see that you are continuing to put words in people's mouths and make up your own wild and baseless claims.

Gawd, I hate even looking at anything that guy posts. All of his sentences are fragments and for some reason in my head, it sounds robotic.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SexyK
Intel's basic CPU pricing structure has been the same for decades, spanning periods where AMD was virtually nonexistent and periods where AMD had a strong lead. In fact, basically the only time Intel has deviated from their basic pricing structure has been to lower prices, not raise them. If you think Intel will suddenly start charging $500 for entry-level CPUs were AMD to get out of the market, you are crazy, it just won't happen. For the primary reason that it makes no sense for Intel - they still want to sell as many CPUs as possible whether AMD is around or not! If prices jump, people will stick with their old machines that run Word and IE like butter and not worry about the latest and greatest, whereas if prices stay where they are, many people will be much more likely to upgrade.

IF Intel effectively castrated AMD and enabled themselves to garner a very effective monopoly on the consumer PC market but did not leverage this power into driving up gross margins then as an Intel shareholder I would join the other shareholders in a class action lawsuit against Intel management for squandering the shareholder's rights to higher gross margins and profits.

It is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a poorly vieled monopoly in a manner which brings the wrath of the US DOJ upon it's shareholders should the DOJ elect to break-up Intel as they did AT&T.

Likewise it is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a well veiled monopoly and not slow-down R&D (go to a 4yr/node or 6yr/node cadence instead of the current 2yr/node cadence) so that the gross margins can increase while continuing to sell last years chips at last years prices for the next 2 years.

Intel won't raise prices, that would be the hallmark of a poorly vieled monopoly and it would be irresponsible. But Intel won't (can't) justify needlessly pouring billions of shareholder's dollars into R&D for next next next gen microarchitecture and process technology nodes. The litmus test for "needless" is when you have next to zero competition for the foreseeable future...i.e. a well vieled monopoly.

TO dv8silencer. It is and if you followed the thread you would know were on topic. It seems Nehalems leaked benchies are stressing some . Who want the brakes applied to Intels progress for fear of wasting AMD.

I was repling to this remark and foxeries post . It is About Nehalem . Its also about a lot of sressed out AMD fans cring in the night. Stop progress wait for AMD catch up. The bolded part is what fired me up.

On the grammer and spelling. Dam I made alot of money for a county hick. lol!
Good luck to you but active critics really most often fail at everthing in life. From the wife to kids to job. Most fail at everthing. Making friends is the biggest one, critics just don't have any . Must suck to be you.

Speaking to grammer cops . Not you Idon'tcare.
OK, the comments about "must suck to be you" and Associated text and references to other members is out of line. If you can't be more civil, you will be getting a vacation.

Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[dv8silencer]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SexyK
Intel's basic CPU pricing structure has been the same for decades, spanning periods where AMD was virtually nonexistent and periods where AMD had a strong lead. In fact, basically the only time Intel has deviated from their basic pricing structure has been to lower prices, not raise them. If you think Intel will suddenly start charging $500 for entry-level CPUs were AMD to get out of the market, you are crazy, it just won't happen. For the primary reason that it makes no sense for Intel - they still want to sell as many CPUs as possible whether AMD is around or not! If prices jump, people will stick with their old machines that run Word and IE like butter and not worry about the latest and greatest, whereas if prices stay where they are, many people will be much more likely to upgrade.

IF Intel effectively castrated AMD and enabled themselves to garner a very effective monopoly on the consumer PC market but did not leverage this power into driving up gross margins then as an Intel shareholder I would join the other shareholders in a class action lawsuit against Intel management for squandering the shareholder's rights to higher gross margins and profits.

It is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a poorly vieled monopoly in a manner which brings the wrath of the US DOJ upon it's shareholders should the DOJ elect to break-up Intel as they did AT&T.

Likewise it is fiducially irresponsible of Intel's management to secure a well veiled monopoly and not slow-down R&D (go to a 4yr/node or 6yr/node cadence instead of the current 2yr/node cadence) so that the gross margins can increase while continuing to sell last years chips at last years prices for the next 2 years.

Intel won't raise prices, that would be the hallmark of a poorly vieled monopoly and it would be irresponsible. But Intel won't (can't) justify needlessly pouring billions of shareholder's dollars into R&D for next next next gen microarchitecture and process technology nodes. The litmus test for "needless" is when you have next to zero competition for the foreseeable future...i.e. a well vieled monopoly.

I was repling to this remark and foxeries post . It is About Nehalem . Its also about a lot of sressed out AMD fans cring in the night. Stop progress wait for AMD catch up. The bolded part is what fired me up.

OF on the grammer and spelling. Dam I made alot of money for a county hick. lol!
Good luck to you but active critics really most often fail at everthing in life. From the wife to kids to job. Most fail at everthing. Making friends is the biggest one critics just don't have any . Must suck to be you.

WTF?

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: Foxery

Originally posted by: AmberClad
So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

No one's forcing you to buy replacements so often. (Or at all.)

Of course, but that's not my point. As far as Intel taking care of its own needs - isn't selling chips and making profit one of those needs? Well who is going to buy the same stale chips year after year?

Your point is valid but you already know the answer if you look to Microsoft.

Microsoft secured a well vieled monopoly (in the sense that the DOJ has left them alone and they enjoy 80% gross margins!) and they leverage this to the benefit of their shareholders. Of this there is zero doubt and plenty of data.

What has Microsoft done to ensure folks upgrade from XP to Vista?

Now consider your question about Intel again with Microsoft's results in mind. Intel need not be overly worried about a stagnating upgrade cycle, rather it will simply become one more thing they "manage" from a top-down level as does Microsoft.

Is it sexy? Will enthusiasts be thrilled about such a world? Not at all. Does it maximize shareholder value? Check Bill Gates' net worth for the answer.

 

[chinkgai]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: AmberClad

Originally posted by: Foxery

Originally posted by: AmberClad
So then...what's the incentive for me or anyone here to continue to give Intel money every year or two to upgrade when there's nothing worth upgrading to?

No one's forcing you to buy replacements so often. (Or at all.)

Of course, but that's not my point. As far as Intel taking care of its own needs - isn't selling chips and making profit one of those needs? Well who is going to buy the same stale chips year after year?

Your point is valid but you already know the answer if you look to Microsoft.

Microsoft secured a well vieled monopoly (in the sense that the DOJ has left them alone and they enjoy 80% gross margins!) and they leverage this to the benefit of their shareholders. Of this there is zero doubt and plenty of data.

What has Microsoft done to ensure folks upgrade from XP to Vista?

Now consider your question about Intel again with Microsoft's results in mind. Intel need not be overly worried about a stagnating upgrade cycle, rather it will simply become one more thing they "manage" from a top-down level as does Microsoft.

Is it sexy? Will enthusiasts be thrilled about such a world? Not at all. Does it maximize shareholder value? Check Bill Gates' net worth for the answer.

Nice posts but I've noticed that you spelled "vieled" wrong in every one of your posts!

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: chinkgai
Nice posts but I've noticed that you spelled "vieled" wrong in every one of your posts!

You know the old joke about how medical doctors hate going to party's with non-medical doctors because everyone just wants free medical advice and won't let the doctor have a good time at the party? (same for comedians)

In my professional life I spend every waking moment looking over the minutia of details to ensure 6-sigma accuracy of my words, data and conclusions...when I come here to the forums you all get what you pay for so be happy with 1-sigma quality control

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
when I come here to the forums you all get what you pay for so be happy with 1-sigma quality control

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...

Meaning if you want IDC to be 100% perfect, you better be ready to bust the 6-sigma pricetag it comes with otherwise be happy with what you get.


Bah, everytime i open my mouth at a party, i always get the dumbest people asking me for financial advice. (trust me none of them would even go in my book of business)

Stupid advice like tell me how can i 4x my investment in a span of less then 1 yr.

I tell them Only 2 way to do that, one which is illegal.

1. Selling drugs.
2. Getting lucky in vegas.

 

[bryanW1995]

or #3: selling quadcore chips to enthusiasts on the AT forums.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Your point is valid but you already know the answer if you look to Microsoft.

Microsoft secured a well vieled monopoly (in the sense that the DOJ has left them alone and they enjoy 80% gross margins!) and they leverage this to the benefit of their shareholders. Of this there is zero doubt and plenty of data.

What has Microsoft done to ensure folks upgrade from XP to Vista?

Now consider your question about Intel again with Microsoft's results in mind. Intel need not be overly worried about a stagnating upgrade cycle, rather it will simply become one more thing they "manage" from a top-down level as does Microsoft.

Is it sexy? Will enthusiasts be thrilled about such a world? Not at all. Does it maximize shareholder value? Check Bill Gates' net worth for the answer.

I guess I see your point.

There will always be people looking to buy a computer for the first time, businesses looking to add to their collection of workstations and servers. And they'll have to be satisfied with whatever OS (or processor) is available for sale, however old the technology might be.

And maybe the profits to be gained from getting people who already own those things to buy something newer and better might be outweighed by the costs of R&D.

Doesn't mean I have to like any of it though. I look forward to the day when we'll have photorealistic graphics drawn in real-time and AI that can think through a massive number of steps and possibilities almost instantaneously. And your vision of how things might be rains on my vision .

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Doesn't mean I have to like any of it though. I look forward to the day when we'll have photorealistic graphics drawn in real-time and AI that can think through a massive number of steps and possibilities almost instantaneously. And your vision of how things might be rains on my vision .

Don't get me wrong, it seriously rains on my parade too.

My hobbies (autonomous forex trading and ab initio computational chemistry) depend heavily on cheap fast computing.

Moore's law has been my friend these past 20 years...but Moore's law lives in a bubble provided by competition and process technology cadence (read $$$) and no log-log plot can have a linear slope forever.

 

[Markfw]

See my comments above. If Nemesis 1 doesn't calm down, he is getting a vacation.

 

[zach0624]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Doesn't mean I have to like any of it though. I look forward to the day when we'll have photorealistic graphics drawn in real-time and AI that can think through a massive number of steps and possibilities almost instantaneously. And your vision of how things might be rains on my vision .

Don't get me wrong, it seriously rains on my parade too.

My hobbies (autonomous forex trading and ab initio computational chemistry) depend heavily on cheap fast computing.

Moore's law has been my friend these past 20 years...but Moore's law lives in a bubble provided by competition and process technology cadence (read $$$) and no log-log plot can have a linear slope forever.

:beer: for Moore's Law continuing

 

[Cookie Monster]

Didnt Moore himself say that his "law" was coming to an end?

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
How else can one come to any other conclusion?

It's something that those of us who are in the know call "logic".

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
I bet CPUz is correctly reading Vcore but the chip was idle and as such Vcore was set to the appropriate VID as specified by the chip's sleep states. It'll be a mystery until it isn't.

not sleep state, but that is the dynamic power control doing its thing.

it is incredibly easy to fake a benchmark with a nehalem, just run the program, then bring up cpuz afterwards. as such, tradeshow snapshots are not so useful any more.

 

[dv8silencer]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...el/showdoc.aspx?i=3326

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: dv8silencer
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...el/showdoc.aspx?i=3326

That says it all !

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
OK . Loosing AMD as A cpu maker would be bad. But Intel Is in a lawsuite. Saying they cheat at Marketing.

Don't make up your own terminology to satisfy your own rationalization. You can't cheat at marketing. Their business practices are at question.

 

[solofly]

Let me just say this, stick to the market leader and you'll be fine. If AMD can't compete they deserve to go down in flames plain and simple. (maybe someone else will pickup the leftovers and start over)

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Didnt Moore himself say that his "law" was coming to an end?

Moore has always posited his law as operating within the confines of (a) immutable boundaries of physics...atoms can't be made smaller, and (b) the practical restrictions of economics...do you need a 1THz 1,204 core desktop processor produced on 2nm tech node in a fab that cost $100B to build and more importanly will you buy such a chip for $1200?

The only debate surrounding Moore's law is whether economics or physics will ultimately get to be first in stepping in and stopping the train. Moore has never publicly talked about his law (to my knowledge) without touching on this aspect of it.

 

[Sureshot324]

AMD better have something that at least matches the Core 2 by then. Otherwise they'll be ridiculously behind.

 

[AkumaX]

Calypso?