Nehalem coming soon .

[darkrisen2003]

So what timeframe are the rumors saying the board and cpu's are gonna be released around? Anyone know if the intel chipset thats coming out in the begining is going to be the one with the sli chip built on the board for both sli and crossfire support?

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080724PD205.html

SO we get our hands on nehalem early . YES.

Before you guys wet yourselves... it sounds more like a paper launch.

"Intel brings forward Nehalem launch."

This is so they can rain on someone's parade... and start releasing performance numbers.

"CPUs and motherboards will not officially appear in the channel until early October."

That's when you can actually buy them... but who knows in what quantities. Also, will pricing be... inflated at the retail level?

Of course all this means for us mere working-class mortals is that the socket 775 chips will be even cheaper. Yay! :thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

The more I read about the next platform. The more I realize the chances of my building on in 09 is growing more slim. I have an E8400 @ 3Ghz and 4GB Ram with an 8800GTS 640. I may just upgrade the video card in the Fall after Nvidia's die shrink and wait it out until 2010.
Maybe spend the money on a 42" LCD HDTV instead and use it as my monitor.

 

[GundamF91]

For those of mere mortals who already have a fast Core2 systems, it's probably best to let new socket(s) to mature, and wait for 32nm Nahalem to get here.

If it's true that there's no more playing with overclocks (unless for expensive "extreme" versions) then Neha won't be as fun, at least if you consider the point of overclocking is bringing value/mainstream CPU to Extreme performance levels, and at the same low cost.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20080724PD205.html

SO we get our hands on nehalem early . YES.

Before you guys wet yourselves... it sounds more like a paper launch.

"Intel brings forward Nehalem launch."

This is so they can rain on someone's parade... and start releasing performance numbers.

"CPUs and motherboards will not officially appear in the channel until early October."

That's when you can actually buy them... but who knows in what quantities. Also, will pricing be... inflated at the retail level?

Of course all this means for us mere working-class mortals is that the socket 775 chips will be even cheaper. Yay! :thumbsup:

To be honest I could care less if Nehalem is paper-launched today and not available for purchase until Q4 2009 as I won't be buying anything until that timeframe.

But yeah I'm wetting myself in anticipation of seeing the performance results of Nehalem...so the sooner those are available (commensurate with a paper launch or a hard launch) the happier I'll be.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: dug777
If the pins are on the cpu and you bend on, it's dead, Jim.

If the pins are on the mobo and you bend one, it's dead, Jim.

Although your confused about push pins and actual cpu pins. That info is still wrong. I bent several of my pins on my amd 4000+ and it still works perfectly.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: dug777
If the pins are on the cpu and you bend on, it's dead, Jim.

If the pins are on the mobo and you bend one, it's dead, Jim.

You do know what push-pins are, don't you?

They are on the HSF, not the CPU or the mobo...

But I can't argue with your logic though If for some reason Intel decides to put the HSF push-pins on the CPU or the mobo and you bend them then you certainly will end up ruining your CPU or mobo...but that'd be one weird CPU or mobo to have the HSF push-pins on it

i thought you meant the pins on either the CPU (AMD) or the mobo socket (intel).

I also prefer the latch method to the push pin method...

And as I said before, while I understand why they put the pins on the mobo, i much prefer the on the CPU in terms of comfort, and I am gentle enough that I have never, ever, bent a pin. I just can see why they would want them on the mobo since it is less valuable (especially since intel makes and sells both)

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: GundamF91
For those of mere mortals who already have a fast Core2 systems,

....

neha does not signify demigod status. :\

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Quiksilver

Originally posted by: dug777
If the pins are on the cpu and you bend on, it's dead, Jim.

If the pins are on the mobo and you bend one, it's dead, Jim.

Although you're confused about push pins and actual cpu pins, that info is still wrong. I bent several of my pins on my amd 4000+ and it still works perfectly.

Fine

For people who aren't giant nerds, bending a pin effectively equates to killing either the mobo or CPU.

I'd have no idea how to go about straightening a pin myself, and neither would 99.9999% of the population

taltamir has also noted that he meant what I thought he meant.

Victory is mine, in a somewhat confused and roundabout fashion

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: dug777
For people who aren't giant nerds, bending a pin effectively equates to killing either the mobo or CPU.

Say what! :shocked:

There are people here who aren't giant nerds?

Let's get our pitch forks, the herd needs some thinning

Yeah, it's easy to forget not everybody reading these threads happen to spend 90% of their free-time with their head buried in some box, err I mean inside "a" box, a computer box...oh boy.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: dug777

For people who aren't giant nerds, bending a pin effectively equates to killing either the mobo or CPU.

NERDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD~

oh wait he's calling me that!

*Smack*

 

[amenx]

I've bent CPU pins before, straightened them out with tweezers. Not perfectly straight, but did fit and work properly.

 

[pm]

I've fixed bent CPU pins fairly often... but I guess I'm definitely part of the giant nerd herd. But even if you don't qualify for a giant nerd license, more than half of them are to VDD or GND and you could afford to lose a couple without any problem... so if there's a couple of non-giant-nerds out there who can't straighten them, then odds are good they can just snip them off (although I'd recommend finding a giant nerd to check the pin-out docs just to be sure. ). And I've personally fixed bent motherboard pins too - we have a technician at work who is a whiz at it and can fix them in seconds even on the newer (unreleased) sockets that have a few more pins than LGA775. The newer sockets on the boards, I will admit, are a fair bit trickier to straighten than the old CPUs.

Nice post, Idontcare. Made me chuckle.

 

[dug777]

Having worked out what the mysterious and evil push-pin problem is, and having fought with it two weeks ago installing my Q6600, dare I suggest that after you've spent five minutes trying to force the evil push-pin hsf over your slightly incorrectly seated CPU, even the most giantest of nerds may consider the socket beyond repair?

Probably a lot safer than having the pins on the cpu at least, because they'd ALL be bent

 

[dakels]

I'll raise my hand as someone who hates the push pins. Installing my xigmatek cooler, I nearly pushed the Q6600 thru the motherboard ... lol The last pin was really messed up and wouldn't stay in, I had to bend it open then push it back in and it took a nerve wracking amount of force. Honestly, with the cost and quality of parts being dealt with, why "they" thought a 1 way soft plastic push pin design was the best solution is beyond my comprehension, especially when you consider that HSF radiators are getting so absurdly large and heavy.

 

[GundamF91]

They should just include a backplate and screws instead of push pin mount. I have now been using backplate and screws on my LGA775, and it's much better, and you don't put as much stress on the board. It just can't be good to bend the board into a bowl shape with the stress the pushpins put on them. It certainly didn't make the heat transfer any better for HSF and CPU connection.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: dug777
Having worked out what the mysterious and evil push-pin problem is, and having fought with it two weeks ago installing my Q6600, dare I suggest that after you've spent five minutes trying to force the evil push-pin hsf over your slightly incorrectly seated CPU, even the most giantest of nerds may consider the socket beyond repair?

Probably a lot safer than having the pins on the cpu at least, because they'd ALL be bent

no, if you bend all the pins you've ruined either the CPU or the mobo. And the CPU costs more money.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: GundamF91
They should just include a backplate and screws instead of push pin mount. I have now been using backplate and screws on my LGA775, and it's much better, and you don't put as much stress on the board. It just can't be good to bend the board into a bowl shape with the stress the pushpins put on them. It certainly didn't make the heat transfer any better for HSF and CPU connection.

Intel (and AMD) should really just make it a standardized requirement that mobo's feature an integrated backplate with standardized threads that all the aftermarket HSF guys would conform to.

This way whether you have a stock HSF or purchase some aftermarket HSF you don't necessarily have to remove the mobo (unless you are space restricted) to install the new HSF.

I'm thinking of a backplate that is permanently fixed to the backside of the mobo (adhesive tape is all that's needed) and then no HSF on market would include one.

 

[taltamir]

I agree, a backplate that is permanently affixed, and use the same size for both companies so that you could use the same HSF for both.

 

[nbowman]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I agree, a backplate that is permanently affixed, and use the same size for both companies so that you could use the same HSF for both.

that would be awesome.


you can add my name to the list of push-pin haters. every computer I build uses a backplate for the HS period. (stock HS/fan are by far too crappy to use IMO, even at stock speeds)

 

[GundamF91]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I agree, a backplate that is permanently affixed, and use the same size for both companies so that you could use the same HSF for both.

Come to think of it, an even better solution would simply to have 4 metal nuts permanently inserted and fixed in 4 corners of CPU socket area. The nuts need to be a common threading, so that retail CPU could come with HSF as well as 4 screws to fix the HSF on the board. And then you can buy aftermarket screws if you have custom HSF, or whatever other stuff you want to do....even screws with LED tips, etc.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
NERDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD~

First image that pops to mind.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: GundamF91

Originally posted by: taltamir
I agree, a backplate that is permanently affixed, and use the same size for both companies so that you could use the same HSF for both.

Come to think of it, an even better solution would simply to have 4 metal nuts permanently inserted and fixed in 4 corners of CPU socket area. The nuts need to be a common threading, so that retail CPU could come with HSF as well as 4 screws to fix the HSF on the board. And then you can buy aftermarket screws if you have custom HSF, or whatever other stuff you want to do....even screws with LED tips, etc.

yes, but the backplate also counters the pressure created when you push the HSF down and in...
How about a backplate with nuts and common threading?

 

[NoStateofMind]

God! Please don't tell me I just purchased new parts and Nehalem is only 2 months away! :|

What to do.....

EDIT: Isn't Intel notorious for releasing "Extreme" chips first and then the lower versions later? I am only interested in the 1366 versions (overclocking of course ). Or will a full line up of chips be available in October? Any information would be great, that is, if anyone knows

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
God! Please don't tell me I just purchased new parts and Nehalem is only 2 months away! :|

What to do.....

EDIT: Isn't Intel notorious for releasing "Extreme" chips first and then the lower versions later? I am only interested in the 1366 versions (overclocking of course ). Or will a full line up of chips be available in October? Any information would be great, that is, if anyone knows

I think right now all we have are various "leaked" reports which conflict with each other as to whether the initial parts will be affordable or not. Official/trustworthy details are scarce so far.