Neighbor/dog issue, need advice

thirdeye

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I'm not one to normally ask random people for advice, but I wanted a completely non-biased opinion so here it goes.

I live in town and my neighbors (of 6 years) share a fence which is theirs and on their property. We've never had any issues with these neighbors and have always been friendly to each other. That's about the extent of our "relationship".

They have 3 small dogs, terriers I believe, and I have 2 big dogs 1 lab and 1 lab/shepard. The dogs always bark at each other through the fence, normal dog things. My wife and I do my best to discourage this (as do the neighbors) but their dogs and they do this. Nothing has ever come of this really.

2 years ago one of their dogs decided slip through a crack in their very poorly maintained fence and get into our yard, our dogs didn't really do anything other than chase it around since it was dark and when the dog got in, it was apparently so scared it just ran all over the yard until I managed to contain my own dogs. Neighbors got their dog, and I took a large stone slab and propped against the fence where the dog got through. That slab is still there to this day.

Fast forward to today, this same dog got into my yard again today, through a different hole this time, however, since it was on the other side of the fence already barking at my dogs, they were right there. When the dog got through (I was outside and saw the whole thing) my biggest dog (120lbs or so) and most protective got a hold of it and shook it pretty good before I could get across the yard to stop it. He dropped it as I was yelling at him and stood over it until I pulled him away, while my other dog chased it. I managed to get my other dog by the collar and hauled them in the house.

In the meantime I yelled to my neighbor that his dog was in my yard as I'm wrangling my dogs up, to which he replied that his dogs were in the house (in other words he had no idea where his dog was). I told him there was definitely a dog that came from his yard in mine so he ran over to get it. The dog was walking around, but very visibly shaken, and I didn't want to pick it up because who knows what the dog would do to me or itself if I did. When the neighbor picked it up it was bleeding pretty good on it's belly.

They apparently took him to the vet since they're not home now but I wanted to go over and talk to them when they are home. I apologized and feel pretty bad, but I'm kind of worried something might happen with this I'm not going to like.

My wife and I thought we could at least offer to pay 1/2 of any vet bills they have. Does that sound reasonable?

Cliffs:
Neighbors dog slips through neighbors shitty fence into my yard
My dog which is 10x the size of said dog, grabs dog and shakes pretty good
Neighbor gets dog takes it to the vet
My wife and I feel terrible
 

McWatt

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Since it's your neighbor's dog that got into your yard, I think that from a legal perspective, you're rather secure. Of course, you probably don't want your neighbors to hate you. If you really are willing to pay half the vet bill, that would probably show them that you really care even though you aren't obligated to do so.

I think most importantly you and they should get together and find a way to fix the fence in a permanent way.
 

RGUN

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I wouldnt offer to pay anything. Their dog manages to get onto your property with your dogs which are otherwise confined to your property = their fault. I would accept no responsibility.
 

boomer6447

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Yes...sounds more than reasonable, and a responsible thing to do. Kudos to you and your wife.
 

Matthiasa

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I wouldn't pay, it's their fault...
Though if you on good terms with that neighbor you will have to to stay that way.
 

mizzou

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I wouldn't pay anything. It's the owners fault for letting the dog in....

Then again,since you didn't talk about it, if the fence "holes" are actually pretty obvious things you knew were issues and seemed to be liabilities, and the neighbors dog came through, then I understand why you would feel bad.

But otherwise no, it's not your fault their dog has no idea what territory means.

I would also not pay over $100 to fix an animal though either =D

%EDIT% I've always found that dogs who frequently are outside and on neighboring sides don't really have any issues. It's usually the wandering dogs who get into fights. I think a dog physically attacking another is fairly rare?
 

thirdeye

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I realize it's not technically my responsibility to pay, I just feel horrible about it. Which is why I'd at very minimum like to offer. Especially since it will probably be quite expensive for them as it is.
 

mizzou

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I realize it's not technically my responsibility to pay, I just feel horrible about it. Which is why I'd at very minimum like to offer. Especially since it will probably be quite expensive for them as it is.

describe the fencing issue in more detail. If it was a freak accident I don't understand why you feel bad, dogs are just dogs and this is what they do.

I would offer some elbow grease first to go over and help your neighbor fix teh fence
 

mizzou

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Please never own a pet.

lol, I love my animals. But that is what they are. They are happier when they are in their own element and that is where they were designed to live.

If my dog gets arthritis, I'm not going to spend my kids university fund to extend it's already too far extended life 5 more years.

Dog dies, I get sad and I give it a proper burial.

What's wrong with that? Sounds better then a puppy mill or scrounging in the streets w/ gangs of hounds
 

Qacer

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Wow! That's hard. Instead of offering the neighbor money to pay for half of the bill. Just use that money towards making your fence sturdier ... or maybe make your property neighbor's dog proof.
 

Imp

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Meh, you don't HAVE to pay, but if you do, it will sooth some of the tension. On the otherhand, you apologized verbally (admission of fault), and if you hand over a cheque, they got your ass (written "admission").

I say you don't offer to pay until they ask. If they ask, "reluctantly" agree to pay for half. They'll feel like they won a bit, and you two agree to do something about your fence/dogs.
 

Capt Caveman

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That would be quite costly, unfortunately the side of the yard that we did put up new fence cost us ~ $2500.

Then how about offering/trying to patch their fence? I'm guessing without that fence, your dogs would go after the neighbors dogs on their property? Or with no fence, your dogs would stay in the backyard?

When I moved into a house a while back, my neighbor had a crappy fence which I would not feel comfortable having my dogs in the backyard. I offered to replace it and put the fence on my property, he had no issue with it.
 

UpgradeFailure

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Don't pay anything. If you pay something, in the eyes of a Judge it shows guilt. If there are problems down the road and they want more money out of you, they can show how you paid some already, and should pay more. Don't pay
 

thirdeye

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Well I saw the guy's car was back in front of his house so I went over. Thankfully he doesn't blame me or my dogs for anything. Apparently they knew about the hole in the fence but didn't get around to patching/covering it in time. I offered some assistance with the vet bill but he refused.

The dog is currently at the vet, it's in shock (no surprise) and has 2 puncture wounds to it's abdomen. Otherwise, he said they can't tell how the dog will be and they're keeping it at the vet for now.
 

RedCOMET

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consult a lawyer. help the maintain the fence, but that state that it is not an admission of guilt of any kind.
 

lxskllr

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I wouldn't pay anything. I can understand feeling bad, but fuck it; it was in no way, shape, or form your fault. If I was in your neighbors place, I'd absolutely decline your money. It would have been my fault the dog got through, and it would be up to me to deal with it.

I like the idea of fixing the fence though. If you really want to give up some money, that's the way to do it.
 

Perknose

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First of all, I have to commend you for being willing to pay half of an expense that was in no way, shape or form your fault. You're a quality person, a sad rarity these days, I might add.

Despite what the AT non-lawyer tried to tell you, it is not a admission of guilt on your part or legally binding in any further way should you do so, given their dog came through their fence into your yard.

I would advise you not to make this offer right up front when you do talk to your neighbor, because if he is a stupid, arrogant ass it may only spur him to think he deserves even more. Remember the adage that "No good deed goes unpunished."

Let him talk first, while again offering your apologies, and only when you are sure he is not making any demands make your offer.

Good luck to you, I wish there were more like you here and, well, everywhere! :thumbsup:

Edit: Ah, didn't see your last post. Offer to help with securing the fence, then!
 

thirdeye

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I appreciate the advice guys. Looks like I'll be working on at least covering up my side of the fence tomorrow.

I had a feeling the neighbor wouldn't be a huge issue to deal with as he's always been a good guy to deal with in the past. I just hope it continues to stay that way. After talking to him though, I don't see any inclination towards anything else.
 
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