Neighbors dog kills my cat; injures two others

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Luthien

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Thank you everyone that was helpful and thank you for your support. It is nice to hear from the people that have experienced the same thing or that can empathize because the too have pets they love. Perhaps someone?s pet will be saved by reading this thread.

Wow, some folks need to read closer instead of skip reading. Many questions were already answered but here are some more details but make sure you read my other posts before you make assumptions. As I mentioned I was not home when this went down. My information comes from the witnesses, police reports, seeing the wounds first hand, etc. We owned 9 cats; 5 live inside and four live outside as well as inside; we now own 8 cats. We have lived here for over 25 years and never had an incident like this. We had Ralph for 7 years before he was killed. I got home just before animal control showed up.

Ralph wasn't wandering that is an entirely different cat which was found safe. Ralph didn?t wander unless he was following me on a walk for tops 100 feet from the house then he would return home because he was afraid to leave home but meow at me in frustration to come back. Ralph was caught by the dog on my property or chased from my property and caught. The neighbor that witnessed the dog with Ralph in its mouth screaming saw the dog coming from the direction of my home and that neighbor lives about 150 feet down the street. My neighbor?s wife pretty much freaked out thinking it was her cat and couldn?t sleep for days because of what she saw. The husky was caught by animal control on the same neighbor?s lawn where it had settled to enjoy the kill. Again Ralph is not the wandering cat we own, Spice is. Spice is the only cat we own that has wander lust; the other cats stick to the house like glue.

In chronological order of injury with hindsight: The first cat injured Bigfoot wasn?t noticed to be injured till the following day because he was let inside before anything witnessed happened and we thought he was inside during this entire ordeal. The focus was on finding Teddy. The second cat injured Teddy was injured when the dog entered the garage through the dog door where my 70 year old father was working and ignoring him completely; the husky spotted Teddy and had him in his mouth by the leg all within a few seconds. My 70 year old father then yelled NO as loud as he could and the startled husky dropped Teddy. My 70 year old father then had to wrestle with this large husky and take his own belt off to use as a makeshift collar to be able to control the dog. Pulling the dog from the garage via the front door of the garage the dog squirmed loose and ran away. My father wasn?t even sure Teddy was even injured. When he yelled NO and the dog dropped Teddy, Teddy promptly hid and was not found until about 90 minutes later after lots of worried frustrated searching. It turned out that Teddy was injured.

When Teddy was found, he had defecated on himself; people and animals will do this in extreme fear and pain. Teddy was taken inside and bathed to clean him up and look for any injury. The injury to his leg was found at this time. Teddy is a very furry long haired Himalayan cat so the injury wasn?t found instantly because his fur just covers everything. The third cat Ralph was in the garage the last we saw him before the wound on Teddy was found. Sometime during Teddy?s bath or just after he was found or while Teddy was being searched for that Husky found Ralph and killed him. Within about 15 minutes of finding the wound on Teddy?s leg animal control was called but they said they already knew about it and were coming to our house. You, see the neighbor had already called animal control to report Ralph being killed. So, within a few minutes animal control came and looked at Teddy and asked if we were missing a cat and we said yes Ralph and Spice. Animal control said we have Ralph in the truck dead and gave us his collar.

Spice the wandering cat was found latter that night by me when she came to me to follow me around the block for a walk if she spots me which is about a 50% chance. So, I walked the neighborhood and she came out which was a tremendous relief to me.

I am sure this explanation won?t be enough to satisfy the blame the victim advocates and the ?it is just a cat? sentimentality folks. Until you own a pet that you loved and cared for, for many years, and it is killed unjustly you cannot truly empathize. The simple difference can be illustrated by the life experiences of two judges. If one judge experienced my experience he would throw the book at the defendant and if another has not then he will say ?it is just a cat.? Judgments? and justice come down to life experience, empathy, subjectivity; hence the lawyers everlasting search for biased judges. It is all relative to a persons life experiences.

One more comment to those that say ?it is just a cat? you can go get another one free. I have to say that is amazingly harsh and shows a real lack of compassion for any living thing. If you don?t own a pet you love then you simply cannot understand. If it ever happens to you someday you will get it but until then it?s hopeless. Based on some of the comments I expect if someone?s child was killed the response would be hey get over it just make another one or adopt one. You are suing for revenge, not justice.

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Perknose

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Thank the Jeebus that I'm not the only one who's a logcial sentient being. Sad to see so many lifers drowning in the self pity of lost pethood-guess the true nature of ATOT makes itself manifest in such threads.

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AgentJean

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Wait, you can not discharge a firearm to defend your life or the life of another person?
It's time to move from that police state you call a town(yeah where were the cops when your cat was getting killed eh?)

Another option is some steak with rat poision. The dog seems to have a taste for fresh meat.

Or get some pepper spray and gas fido.
 

Luthien

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AgentJean, interesting that you mention peper spray. I do have some and it is now conveniently out where I can get it fast. It won't injure a dog I don't think but it would break up a fight at the least I believe.
 

AgentJean

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Originally posted by: Luthien
AgentJean, interesting that you mention peper spray. I do have some and it is now conveniently out where I can get it fast. It won't injure a dog I don't think but it would break up a fight at the least I believe.

Yeah, OC spray is some powerfull stuff. Don't mess with the dog repellants however. It is weaker than the "normal" pepper spray.

If the OC doesn't work, you are should then have grounds to up the annte and use stronger force(a baseball bat, entrenching tool, or ka-bar) Unless you happen to be in a Communist Police state such as Kalifornia, New York or DC, or Maryland, where it is the duty of the serf to bend over and take the attack.
 

1sikbITCH

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Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: snowdogg187
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
Yeah you can win a lawsuit no problem but it won't be for thousand or even close. Cat = property and I think you can only sue for replacement value so unless that cat was some rare breed and you can back that up don't expect much. If the cat was hurt and had to be taken to the vet then you could get something but it would just be to cover the bills.

Just because a dog kills a cat that doesn't make the dog aggressive it makes it a dog. Dogs chase things big surprise. My dogs are cat friendly in the house but they still chase cats outside because the cats usually run. They can't get the cats since the dogs are fenced but they have caught and killed a couple squirrels in the yard so I guess mine should be put down for being aggressive.


..your animal is your responsibility. If you loose control of it and it does damage your culpable.

Never said otherwise. If my dog gets out and kills one of my neighbor's cat I'll pay to replace it. They are all mix breed cats so that will be about $50 for a new one from the pound.


..juries will award punitive damages as well as the medical expenses a victim experiences. Your home owner ins.is at risk. That's one of the reasons lawyers are aggressive about getting a judgement against the responsibile dog owner. Discovery of dog owner's financial situation comes next once the judgement is secured.

Over a cat that was out roaming the neightbourhoor?

Your an asshat. If his cat was roaming anywhere and as long as it had it's tag/shots, etc he and the cat are not breaking laws. If this cat was to attack your sry arse or your animals then he and his insurance would be responsible.

This dog was loose and killed a pet. Stop and think about this if you need help with this(like many posters in this thread) then you are beyond help so go to bed to be rested up for your job washing dishes in the morning.

And what about my mouse? There are no laws about letting mice roam loose either. Damn aggressive cat. I'm just glad my mouse wasn't somebody's kid.

Was your mouse pregnant? Believe it or not but it may become relevant in court.

LOL! Yeah if CSI finds out the mouse was with child there could be serious repercussions
Animals are considered property only in the eyes of the law. You can't claim suffering for a plant or your car, and it's the same with pets. Dollar value only.
 

k1pp3r

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: snowdogg187


Your an asshat. If his cat was roaming anywhere and as long as it had it's tag/shots, etc he and the cat are not breaking laws. If this cat was to attack your sry arse or your animals then he and his insurance would be responsible.

This dog was loose and killed a pet. Stop and think about this if you need help with this(like many posters in this thread) then you are beyond help so go to bed to be rested up for your job washing dishes in the morning.

Stop whining. He's right.

If the dog bit a person, there'd be a big deal, but if it just kills another animal (destroys property), the dog owner will only owe a small fee.

How is he right when the OP's post said the cat was killed on his property in HIS GARAGE!!!

That means the dog was not contained in accordance to most states laws, the dog was on his property in his garage where for all you know the cat was laying on the hood of a car to stay warm. Seems to me people look for reasons to be pricks around here
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: k1pp3r
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: snowdogg187


Your an asshat. If his cat was roaming anywhere and as long as it had it's tag/shots, etc he and the cat are not breaking laws. If this cat was to attack your sry arse or your animals then he and his insurance would be responsible.

This dog was loose and killed a pet. Stop and think about this if you need help with this(like many posters in this thread) then you are beyond help so go to bed to be rested up for your job washing dishes in the morning.

Stop whining. He's right.

If the dog bit a person, there'd be a big deal, but if it just kills another animal (destroys property), the dog owner will only owe a small fee.

How is he right when the OP's post said the cat was killed on his property in HIS GARAGE!!!

That means the dog was not contained in accordance to most states laws, the dog was on his property in his garage where for all you know the cat was laying on the hood of a car to stay warm. Seems to me people look for reasons to be pricks around here

Reread the thread. Nobody saw where the cat was killed. To be fair, the OP's writing is hard to understand.
 

Bitek

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Don't get guns and make plans to kill the neighbors dog. This type of stuff ends up escalating into fights, and god-knows if the neighbor is a psycho he may come back at you with a weapon. First be rational and talk things out.

That being said, there really should be some legal measures you can take. I know once my uncles dogs escaped the yard and killed a cat. Animal control told him basically that his dogs must be properly controlled and if the incident happened again the dogs would be destroyed. Kinda sucks for the cat owner, but pets are wild animals even tho they are cute and fuzzy, and these things happen. Seems like the law is they get one free pass (was unfortunate accident), but twice is a pattern and the dog is toast.

Huskies are prone to chasing btw. Its was completely irresponsible for the owner to not have his dog controlled. I have a husky mix, and as good a dog as he is and as much as I love him, I have to watch him. I never let him off the leash when outdoors unless its very safe and supervised (rarely). I hate when other dog owners walk their dogs w/o leashes, then they come over to my dog quickly, he sometimes goes ape#$%, and a tussle brakes out. We also have a cat, he knows not to chase our cat, but it might be open season on other fuzzy creatures in his mind.

Didn't read the whole thing, but did you talk to the owner first? Didn't seem so. This prolly is the best route, but may be a bit late now lawyers are involved and such. If you do, be calm about it (hard to do) but he has to understand he is putting other pets at risk as well as his own (animal control, not guns I talking about) by his failure to control his dog. Hopefully he is a reasonable person as well. If not, well, that's tough.

Sorry about the loss...
 

Number1

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Originally posted by: Luthien
Thank you everyone that was helpful and thank you for your support. It is nice to hear from the people that have experienced the same thing or that can empathize because the too have pets they love. Perhaps someone?s pet will be saved by reading this thread.

Wow, some folks need to read closer instead of skip reading. Many questions were already answered but here are some more details but make sure you read my other posts before you make assumptions. As I mentioned I was not home when this went down. My information comes from the witnesses, police reports, seeing the wounds first hand, etc. We owned 9 cats; 5 live inside and four live outside as well as inside; we now own 8 cats. We have lived here for over 25 years and never had an incident like this. We had Ralph for 7 years before he was killed. I got home just before animal control showed up.

Ralph wasn't wandering that is an entirely different cat which was found safe. Ralph didn?t wander unless he was following me on a walk for tops 100 feet from the house then he would return home because he was afraid to leave home but meow at me in frustration to come back. Ralph was caught by the dog on my property or chased from my property and caught. The neighbor that witnessed the dog with Ralph in its mouth screaming saw the dog coming from the direction of my home and that neighbor lives about 150 feet down the street. My neighbor?s wife pretty much freaked out thinking it was her cat and couldn?t sleep for days because of what she saw. The husky was caught by animal control on the same neighbor?s lawn where it had settled to enjoy the kill. Again Ralph is not the wandering cat we own, Spice is. Spice is the only cat we own that has wander lust; the other cats stick to the house like glue.

In chronological order of injury with hindsight: The first cat injured Bigfoot wasn?t noticed to be injured till the following day because he was let inside before anything witnessed happened and we thought he was inside during this entire ordeal. The focus was on finding Teddy. The second cat injured Teddy was injured when the dog entered the garage through the dog door where my 70 year old father was working and ignoring him completely; the husky spotted Teddy and had him in his mouth by the leg all within a few seconds. My 70 year old father then yelled NO as loud as he could and the startled husky dropped Teddy. My 70 year old father then had to wrestle with this large husky and take his own belt off to use as a makeshift collar to be able to control the dog. Pulling the dog from the garage via the front door of the garage the dog squirmed loose and ran away. My father wasn?t even sure Teddy was even injured. When he yelled NO and the dog dropped Teddy, Teddy promptly hid and was not found until about 90 minutes later after lots of worried frustrated searching. It turned out that Teddy was injured.

When Teddy was found, he had defecated on himself; people and animals will do this in extreme fear and pain. Teddy was taken inside and bathed to clean him up and look for any injury. The injury to his leg was found at this time. Teddy is a very furry long haired Himalayan cat so the injury wasn?t found instantly because his fur just covers everything. The third cat Ralph was in the garage the last we saw him before the wound on Teddy was found. Sometime during Teddy?s bath or just after he was found or while Teddy was being searched for that Husky found Ralph and killed him. Within about 15 minutes of finding the wound on Teddy?s leg animal control was called but they said they already knew about it and were coming to our house. You, see the neighbor had already called animal control to report Ralph being killed. So, within a few minutes animal control came and looked at Teddy and asked if we were missing a cat and we said yes Ralph and Spice. Animal control said we have Ralph in the truck dead and gave us his collar.

Spice the wandering cat was found latter that night by me when she came to me to follow me around the block for a walk if she spots me which is about a 50% chance. So, I walked the neighborhood and she came out which was a tremendous relief to me.

I am sure this explanation won?t be enough to satisfy the blame the victim advocates and the ?it is just a cat? sentimentality folks. Until you own a pet that you loved and cared for, for many years, and it is killed unjustly you cannot truly empathize. The simple difference can be illustrated by the life experiences of two judges. If one judge experienced my experience he would throw the book at the defendant and if another has not then he will say ?it is just a cat.? Judgments? and justice come down to life experience, empathy, subjectivity; hence the lawyers everlasting search for biased judges. It is all relative to a persons life experiences.

One more comment to those that say ?it is just a cat? you can go get another one free. I have to say that is amazingly harsh and shows a real lack of compassion for any living thing. If you don?t own a pet you love then you simply cannot understand. If it ever happens to you someday you will get it but until then it?s hopeless. Based on some of the comments I expect if someone?s child was killed the response would be hey get over it just make another one or adopt one. You are suing for revenge, not justice.

I am trying to setup a temp webpage with pictures sized for proper viewing but have to wait for the domain name to be acquired so it will probably be late tonight or tomorrow before I have pictures up.

You are very hard to read but this was a valiant effort at explaining the situation.

Have the dogs been out and about since the event?
 

Luthien

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Number1. The dog killed Ralph on the witnessing neighbors property. Sorry if that is not clear. The cat was screaming in the dogs mouth as witnessed by the neighbor and it trotted to their yard where it stoped to enjoy its kill. During that time the cat stopped screaming and expired. This is upsetting to have to think about this but I am using this to prepare myself for court. Oh, and no to my dissapointment I have not seen the dogs but I have been hoping they would stop by... I am not even sure if the owner has possesion of the Husky. Animal control may have the dog impounded for all I know. It took almost three weeks to find out the name and address of the owner although I thought it was his next door neighbor; at least I was about 70% sure it was. He lives about a half mile away not even in my developement.
 

thedarkwolf

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Luthien you deserve to be compensated so I'm not going after you in my posts. I just don't see you getting much since in the eyes of the law in most places cats are treated just like any other property and you can only get replacement value. Atleast thats how its always worked on People's Court when I've seen this kind of thing pop up. I'm going after the idiots calling the dog aggressive for doing what dogs do and bringing up the "what if it had been a child? BS. Dogs and cats are both predators and both will usually chase things smaller then themselves that run from them and if they can catch it chances are it will end up dead. Its what they do. Hell there is a huge thread on here about some guy's cat killing everything it can and he makes post about every new kill. How many posts in that thread say the cat needs to be put down for being too aggressive? Its the owner being irresponsible not the animal being aggressive. I don't know the dog though so maybe it is aggressive. One of my own dogs was taken to the pound by his last owners for being a chicken killer and he is far from aggressive.
 

Luthien

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thedarkwolf: I have been doing a lot of reading and it is true cats are considered property and in court it is rare for compensation to be given for pain and suffering. We already know we will win 100% the cost of Ralphs most recent vet bills as well as the vet bills for the injured cats and likely more for some other things but no more than say $500. However times are changing and the value of a cat for example to a single person living alone is far beyond simple replacement value like replacing a keyboard for example. In many cases pets become integrated parts of peoples family or are the sole companion of single elderly people and the loss can be severely traumatic. Although still rare judgements for sentimental value are sometimes given. Laws are in the works that will eventually raise pets to a status above inanimate property and appropriately below human rights. Too late for Ralph but I have figured out an approach that may be successful based on failures and successes of cases I have read but none of them have approached it the way I intend to.




 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Don't let your cat outside... The dog owner was wrong, but so were you. I have 2 dogs and 2 cats. My cats stay indoors and also have a cat door onto our screened in/completely enclosed patio... If you expose your cats to the outside, you need to take some responsibility for exposing them to danger.

Oh give me a break...cat's can be outside...then again...I grew up where I didn't treat my pets like little bitches. They knew how to take care of themselves.


If the cat is outside, how could it be considered anyone's cat?

If it is considered your cat, how could you be irresponsible enough to let it wander around with all the danger out there and then be surprised when the cat gets hurt? Then, how do you demand someone else to take responsibility?
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: k1pp3r
Originally posted by: Alprazolam
What a sue happy world we live in.

Wow, that was a bit insensitive.

If something is in your family 7-8 years, and you interact with it everyday, its a part of your family. If a part of your family is killed injured or what not, you want justice period.

All the OP wants is the comfort that this dog will not attack anything ever again, and i would want the same.

Are there leash laws where you live? Considering the cat was killed in the OP's garage tells me that he is totally in line here.


If you let your "family" wander the neighborhood, how could you be surprised when it gets hurt? You keep family safe, meaning INDOORS. The OP should be charged with neglect.
 

Scarpozzi

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Confront the owner and threaten that you're going to shoot the dog on site because it is killing your cats. Don't kill until you give them fair warning.
 

Raduque

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Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Luthien
Here is a temporary website with some pictures (not for kids): Link

You are overreacting.

Seek profesional help.

You're just a cold, unfeeling SOB, aren't you? Haven't you ever had a beloved pet that died and you still miss?
 
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EDIT: Why the hell would you post those pics? I saw the warning ... but reallly .. why the hell would you post those pics?
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: Raduque
Originally posted by: Number1
Originally posted by: Luthien
Here is a temporary website with some pictures (not for kids): Link

You are overreacting.

Seek profesional help.

You're just a cold, unfeeling SOB, aren't you? Haven't you ever had a beloved pet that died and you still miss?
No, he's right. She's overreacting, and I don't know of a nicer way to put it. I mean she's hellbent on suing for thousands of dollars, refuses to talk to the owner of the dogs, and then there's the pictures. The fact of the matter is that it's been a month and she still hasn't seemed to have recomposed herself yet. It's not healthy to let it drag on this long.
 

Dumac

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
EDIT: Just repeating myself (deleted other thoughts)

The pictures were probably taken with evidence in mind.
 
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