Neil deGrasse Tyson reboots Carl Sagan's "Cosmos"

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phucheneh

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No troll, really. I do not understand it. I know there are smart folks here. Just want an explanation. I watched episode one and loved it.

I'm confused. You're asking one of the following, but I'm unsure which:

1) How do we see 'the Milky Way' from Earth?

Like this-



We can't see all of it. Distant galaxies look like single points of light, but since we're in the Milky Way, is appears more as a nebulous smudge of colors.

2) Then how did someone get pictures of the whole galaxy?

...they...didn't. They are artificial renderings.

3) But how do they know that's what it looks like?

Lots and lots of observation of our galaxy and others.
 

gypsyman

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I'm confused. You're asking one of the following, but I'm unsure which:

1) How do we see 'the Milky Way' from Earth?

Like this-



We can't see all of it. Distant galaxies look like single points of light, but since we're in the Milky Way, is appears more as a nebulous smudge of colors.

2) Then how did someone get pictures of the whole galaxy?

...they...didn't. They are artificial renderings.

3) But how do they know that's what it looks like?

Lots and lots of observation of our galaxy and others.

Thank you for taking the time to provide an enlightening answer. I am sure others will benefit from it.
 

Pheran

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So if we are inside one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way, where do these pictures showing the entire galaxy as if we are light years away from it come from?

Computer models/recreations. Obviously we cannot get an outside perspective on our own galaxy. But by mapping the positions of stars from within it, we can construct a model of what it may look like from the outside.
 
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CZroe

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I'm confused. You're asking one of the following, but I'm unsure which:

1) How do we see 'the Milky Way' from Earth?

Like this-



We can't see all of it. Distant galaxies look like single points of light, but since we're in the Milky Way, is appears more as a nebulous smudge of colors.

2) Then how did someone get pictures of the whole galaxy?

...they...didn't. They are artificial renderings.

3) But how do they know that's what it looks like?

Lots and lots of observation of our galaxy and others.

Please don't indulge him. You are feeding the troll. There is no way that question could be serious.

Did he think we actually had cameras that show the sub-atomic and go beneath the seas of Titan? I guess he thought "our ship of the imagination" was real too.

I'm just saying that there is no way he would have questioned only those images if he was really that stupid.

I am sure others will benefit from it.

Only if they were idiots.
 

gypsyman

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Please don't indulge him. You are feeding the troll. There is no way that question could be serious.

Did he think we actually had cameras that show the sub-atomic and go beneath the seas of Titan? I guess he thought "our ship of the imagination" was real too.

I'm just saying that there is no way he would have questioned only those images if he was really that stupid.



Only if they were idiots.

I thought perhaps the Hubble could take some kind of layering pictures and put them together in a mosaic fashion. I realize that man made objects have only in the past year breached our solar system.Thanks to the kind folks that provide answers.
 

bunnyfubbles

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didn't hold my attention enough to keep me awake. and in an episode about evolution, why did they decide to cgi fly around some neptune moon or wherever they went towards the end? My wife even said they jump around too much.
I'm guessing that they think they have to jump around and show us the shiney in an attempt to keep the attention of the average idiot/ADHD this show clearly seems to be targeting. There are already plenty of shows that have covered all this info, from NOVA and Nature on PBS, to Explorer on Nat Geo, and of course anything David Attenborough...or just even watching just about anything of NdGT. The problem is that too many people find that stuff boring and don't go out of their way to watch/learn about this stuff on their own and are woefully ignorant of it.

This show isn't meant for me, as much as I might want it to be, and I have to keep that in mind when I watch and it doesn't bother me so much.


whats the obsession over Titan? first Eureka now Cosmos. ;-)

I was also surprised at the choice of Titan, I was expecting him to talk about Europa instead. But I can understand that the Titan landscape is easier to relate to than an underground sea.

I think they were just simply trying to show an example of a somewhat familiar yet also a fundamentally different environment in which life could exist. While Europa seems like a more likely candidate for life, it would be more likely to be life like we know it; likely similar to life we find at the bottom of our ocean trenches. Life on Titan would likely be wildly different from how we think of anything we know of here on Earth.
 

TheShiz

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If you want to see something really interesting check out these pictures predicting what the sky will look like as andromeda collides with the milky way. It will be glorious.

http://www.nasa-usa.de/mission_pages/hubble/science/milky-way-collide.html


Please don't indulge him. You are feeding the troll. There is no way that question could be serious.

Did he think we actually had cameras that show the sub-atomic and go beneath the seas of Titan? I guess he thought "our ship of the imagination" was real too.

I'm just saying that there is no way he would have questioned only those images if he was really that stupid.



Only if they were idiots.
 

DrPizza

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So if we are inside one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way, where do these pictures showing the entire galaxy as if we are light years away from it come from?

Think you could draw a decent diagram of what the room you're in right now would look like (assume transparent walls) from 50 feet away?
 

Rudee

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The interactive Google map called ‘100,000 Stars’, provides a spectacular fly-through of our galaxy. Check it out.
 

disappoint

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whats the obsession over Titan? first Eureka now Cosmos. ;-)

I was also surprised at the choice of Titan, I was expecting him to talk about Europa instead. But I can understand that the Titan landscape is easier to relate to than an underground sea.

My vote is for Enceladus. Saturn's sixth largest moon.
Enceladus is the sixth-largest of the moons of Saturn.[12] It was discovered in 1789 by William Herschel.[13]
Enceladus seems to have liquid water under its icy surface. Cryovolcanoes at the south pole shoot large jets of water vapor, other volatiles, and some solid particles (e.g. ice crystals, NaCl particles, etc.) into space, totaling approximately 200 kg per second.[14][15][16] Some of this water falls back onto the moon as "snow", some of it adds to Saturn's rings, and some of it reaches Saturn. The whole of Saturn's E Ring is believed to have been made from these ice particles. Because of the apparent water at or near the surface, Enceladus may be one of the best places for humans to look for extraterrestrial life. By contrast, the water thought to be on Jupiter's moon Europa is locked under a very thick layer of surface ice, though recent evidence may show that Europa also experiences water plumes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enceladus
 
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Great episode. Just watched it on hulu. Probably the most entertaining episode I've ever watched from this type of show. Wait until they get into the more interesting topics.
 

Pheran

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Decent episode this week - I'm laughing my ass off about The History of Fish. That's a story I haven't heard before.
 

TraumaRN

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Great episode tonight so far.

Patrick Stewart guest voice for the animated William Herschel.

Plus more young earth creation smackdown.
 

Duddy

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Great episode tonight so far.

Patrick Stewart guest voice for the animated William Herschel.

Plus more young earth creation smackdown.

Loved it. This is turning into one of my favorite series of all time.
 

Balt

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I really enjoyed tonight's episode. Last week's was a bit heavy on history side of things for me, but I think tonight's had the right mix.
 

BoomerD

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While I applaud the attempt to bring some science to kids and the uninformed, the show seems TOO aimed at kids...with not enough "OMG!" moments for the adults who might actually know SOME stuff...
 

MongGrel

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Have to watch it in a bit, recorded it and haven't.

Loving the series reboot so far myself.

It should be aimed at kids, yeah most of it is basic.

That is the good thing.
 
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norseamd

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While I applaud the attempt to bring some science to kids and the uninformed, the show seems TOO aimed at kids...with not enough "OMG!" moments for the adults who might actually know SOME stuff...

engaging the whole family is likely to lead to discussion and then more interest

so you are right
 

Jeff7

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While I applaud the attempt to bring some science to kids and the uninformed, the show seems TOO aimed at kids...with not enough "OMG!" moments for the adults who might actually know SOME stuff...
That might be optimistic.
In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. These results are comparable to those found in Germany when a similar question was asked there in 1996; in response to that poll, 74% of Germans gave the correct answer, while 16% thought the sun revolved around the earth, and 10% said they didn't know. When the question was asked in Great Britain that same year, 67% answered correctly, 19% answered incorrectly, and 14% didn't know.
Great Britain.....what the hell's going on over there?




Have to watch it in a bit, recorded it and haven't.

Loving the series reboot so far myself.

It should be aimed at kids, yeah most of it is basic.

That is the good thing.
Having good engagement for adults can be good, too. If they don't give a damn about this sort of thing, it can easily rub off on their kids.
 

TraumaRN

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While I applaud the attempt to bring some science to kids and the uninformed, the show seems TOO aimed at kids...with not enough "OMG!" moments for the adults who might actually know SOME stuff...

I dont mind the aim at kids because we need kids interested in science again. Remember too that many on this forum tend to have more scientific knowledge then the general population.

I know anecdotally numerous people I know getting their minds lit up with stuff they unfortunately never learned in school and never sought to learn on their own. That's a great thing.

Moreover I like the clear, firm and concise refutations of common creationist claims made without sarcasm or ridicule. Just a "this is a scientific fact end of story," Type statement.
 

AViking

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Watched the first episode last night and thought it was pretty good. Definitely some nice graphics.

Bit surprised by the amount of focus on how unenlightened we were though and how shitty the church was. I figure FOX wouldn't want that for fear of their evangelical audience.
 

AViking

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Please tell me they stop using so much lens flare in future episodes though. JJ Abrams have something to do with this?
 
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