Netflix - Making a Murderer

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OutHouse

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it just pisses me off to no end that Branden appeals despite ALL the evidence that there was serious misconduct and a plot of the defense working with the DA to gather evidence to put Avery away was denied. It is beyond fucked up and scary as fuck I really hope his team who appear to be top notch lawyers get their day in federal court.
 

SSSnail

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Yeah, going back to this thread again, and I have to say if you're a citizen of this country and you aren't at least bit concerned about the implication of this whole case, you're either a brain dead moron, or a brain dead moron.
 

ImpulsE69

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MongGrel

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Yeah, going back to this thread again, and I have to say if you're a citizen of this country and you aren't at least bit concerned about the implication of this whole case, you're either a brain dead moron, or a brain dead moron.

Hey, that is your opinion.

You know what they say about opinions, right ?
 

SSSnail

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Hey, that is your opinion.

You know what they say about opinions, right ?

Yes, mine are always valid; that's what they said. And, they told me that to stop wasting my time with brain dead morons. I'm going to listen to them.
 

MongGrel

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Yes, mine are always valid; that's what they said. And, they told me that to stop wasting my time with brain dead morons. I'm going to listen to them.

You're amusing, at any rate.

Just to watch you rage.
 

ImpulsE69

Lifer
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If one of you ends up murdered and burned and buried in the yard, we know who the first suspect is.
 

SSSnail

Lifer
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If one of you ends up murdered and burned and buried in the yard, we know who the first suspect is.

Well, you're gonna have to wait for a very long time, because I'm not the murderous type. And the other? Florida - that's all you need to know. D:
 

iamwiz82

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After hearing the initial vote of the jury I am shocked that they got to guilty. I'm also surprised by the fact that they found him not guilty of mutilation of a corpse, how can you have such split verdicts?
 

slayer202

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After hearing the initial vote of the jury I am shocked that they got to guilty. I'm also surprised by the fact that they found him not guilty of mutilation of a corpse, how can you have such split verdicts?

also, the initial count was 7-3 I believe? in favor of not-guilty when they started to deliberate. and you know how god damn obnoxious those stubborn "he did it, I decided before the trial even started and I don't care about anything else" people must have been. such a weird system when you think about it, requiring unanimous decision. I guess that's mainly to prevent fixes, but it forces people to change their minds, and not necessarily because of the evidence. they've heard from the lawyers and judge etc, made a decision, and then it's up to the jurors to help people understand the case better or to sway decisions? I hope I never have to stand trial for something I didn't do
 
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iamwiz82

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also, the initial count was 7-3 I believe? when they started to deliberate. and you know how god damn obnoxious those stubborn "he did it, I decided before the trial even started and I don't care about anything else" people must have been

I served on a murder trial jury and we had a couple people that were incredibly stubborn, in fact one person wrote a note to the judge complaining that other jurors weren't accepting his decision and he was upset by this. He ended up changing his vote after a few days, but that letter was/is a point of contention in an appeals case, I believe.
 

slayer202

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I served on a murder trial jury and we had a couple people that were incredibly stubborn, in fact one person wrote a note to the judge complaining that other jurors weren't accepting his decision and he was upset by this. He ended up changing his vote after a few days, but that letter was/is a point of contention in an appeals case, I believe.

I can't even imagine...pick 12 random people and you're bound to end up with some wackos
 

slayer202

Lifer
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yeah who knows if that's true. it's not exactly well written either. also, no names? if the guy was arrested, there would be a record
 

JasonCoder

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Yeah, going back to this thread again, and I have to say if you're a citizen of this country and you aren't at least bit concerned about the implication of this whole case, you're either a brain dead moron, or a brain dead moron.

What does a citizen do to affect change? Write your congressman? Raise awareness somehow? Get into politics and push your agenda?
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
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Have a few hundred thousand to defend yourself with. Without that it appears prosecutors will throw u in prison no matter what.
 

iamwiz82

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Have a few hundred thousand to defend yourself with. Without that it appears prosecutors will throw u in prison no matter what.

He did have a few hundred thousand dollars to defend himself and he had good lawyers.
 

CPA

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I can't even imagine...pick 12 random people and you're bound to end up with some wackos

Not just wackos, but in the Avery case, if you check out the comments at the Wisconsin Innocent Project website of this case, you will see someone posted a part of the interview with the excused juror. That interview stated one of the jurors
was THE FATHER OF A MANITOWOC OFFICER, and was one of the three "stubborn" jurors who had already concluded he was guilty before jury deliberations. How the hell did the defense and judge allow him to be on the jury?
 

TwiceOver

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So I finally finished this last night.
I really don't know what to think. On one hand he'd have to be a moron to dispose of the evidence in the way the prosecution said he did, on the other hand we are talking about a whole family of really 'simple' people. If I had to make a judgement based solely on the Netflix documentary I'd say he did it. Was there some legal "fuckery" going on? Definitely. I want to believe, but I just don't. He spent 18 years in prison not getting any sex, released and finally found a girlfriend, she goes to jail for 7 months... I think his impulse got the better of him and he raped and murdered her.
 

slayer202

Lifer
Nov 27, 2005
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Not just wackos, but in the Avery case, if you check out the comments at the Wisconsin Innocent Project website of this case, you will see someone posted a part of the interview with the excused juror. That interview stated one of the jurors
was THE FATHER OF A MANITOWOC OFFICER, and was one of the three "stubborn" jurors who had already concluded he was guilty before jury deliberations. How the hell did the defense and judge allow him to be on the jury?

the excused juror seemed a little too interested in the case imo, it was sorta weird. I don't see how the father of an officer could be allowed on that jury
 

Charmonium

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So I finally finished this last night.
I really don't know what to think. On one hand he'd have to be a moron to dispose of the evidence in the way the prosecution said he did, on the other hand we are talking about a whole family of really 'simple' people. If I had to make a judgement based solely on the Netflix documentary I'd say he did it. Was there some legal "fuckery" going on? Definitely. I want to believe, but I just don't. He spent 18 years in prison not getting any sex, released and finally found a girlfriend, she goes to jail for 7 months... I think his impulse got the better of him and he raped and murdered her.
If rape were the motive, why did the neighbor and prosecution witness say that Halbech was seen walking to Avery's trailer? That testimony was probably fabricated, at least as to the timeline since it conflicted with the bus driver, but still, why have him say that?

The fact of the matter is that there was no motive. There was no indication that there was either a rape or a murder except for a single bullet that was probably compromised. And Halbech was on the property photographing Janda's van, so Avery didn't even have anything to do with her being there.

I'd also point out that burning flesh has a very distinctive odor. Just ask anyone who survived a Nazi concentration camp. It's a smell you don't ever forget. So if Halbech had been burned on the property, someone would have smelled it. Yet you have an eye witness saying he was maybe 30 ft from the fire but there's never even a remark about the smell.

It just doesn't make sense. This was clearly a case where the prosecution had some of their own people on the jury and the best result Avery was EVER going to get was a hung jury.
 

Charmonium

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the excused juror seemed a little too interested in the case imo, it was sorta weird. I don't see how the father of an officer could be allowed on that jury
On voir dire, you basically have to go by what a juror says. If they're biased and want to be empaneled, it's easy enough to hide your bias. Jurors aren't generally subjected to the kind of extensive background checks you would need to discover familial relationships. Maybe they would do that for a grand jury, but not a petit jury.
 
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