Netflix - Making a Murderer

[slayer202]

I don't see where he claimed the cops couldn't repeat their bad behavior?

As to your last point, he is a desperate man after spending all those years in prison. As we saw in the show, he talked about suicide if he had to do another long sentence. It's easy to admit to a small crime but when your life is on the line...

and jeez, all he said was steven MAY have done it. you don't agree?

 

[LevelSea]

I don't see where he claimed the cops couldn't repeat their bad behavior?

As to your last point, he is a desperate man after spending all those years in prison. As we saw in the show, he talked about suicide if he had to do another long sentence. It's easy to admit to a small crime but when your life is on the line...

and jeez, all he said was steven MAY have done it. you don't agree?

You may have done it.

 

[Homerboy]

Why is that anything of note? The very passage you quoted explained why it means nothing. Police could probably go into your garage and something would light up with luminol.

Well the "certain bleaches" might be an issue -- if you're trying to scrub away blood, you'd use bleach.

 

[slayer202]

You may have done it.

:sneaky:

 

[Drako]

The most annoying part of this show is the lady prosecutor with the mustache.

 

[ImpulsE69]

lol that is like how when the judge read the verdict he told steven avery his crimes kept getting more and more serious. did he completely forget that the previous crime he was in jail for 18 years for WAS IN FACT A WRONGFUL CONVICTION AND THAT HE DIDNT DO IT???

Interestingly if you listen to many things stated, even by the judge he may as well have done the previous crime, because they pretty much stated that he did it, regardless of his exoneration.

 

[Linflas]

Really?

So a sheriff's department that wrongly convicts an innocent man once is likely to repeat that offence, is that what you are saying?

Interesting question. Much like with people convicted of a crime, some learn from their mistakes and after serving their time go on to be productive members of society others just resume their criminal ways until their next incarceration. Given that it was exposed that the sheriffs department in the original rape conviction seemingly acted in part on a grudge they held against Steven Avery were any reforms or changes made to prevent something similar from taking place again? If not then I would suspect that yes a sheriffs department that "wrongly convicts" (ignoring the fact the they investigate and charge, the court system tries and convicts) is likely to repeat the same actions again absent significant reforms being put in place to prevent a re-occurrence.

 

[leeland]

The most annoying part of this show is the lady prosecutor with the mustache.

ha ha ha I see what you did there!

 

[Rudee]

I watched the documentary purely for the riveting telephone conversations. "Uh, huh" "Yeah". Oh, yeah"

 

[Blackjack200]

i finished this show last night. what a really fucked up show that makes me really angry. i feel so sorry for everyone involved in the avery family. the entire family was torn apart because of all this bs. while i know we only saw bits and pieces of the trial, i simply cannot believe how anyone could believe that steven avery was guilty of this murder when there was simply absolutely no dna evidence. there are so many blatantly obvious holes and things missing that it just baffles me one could find him guilty.

and then you have his disabled nephew who they flat out took advantage of and will never be able to live a normal life because of these assholes.

i was glad to hear kratz was found out to be a complete piece of shit after the show too. him and dassey's first attorney i could not stand seeing or hearing on screen.

I'm 5 episodes in, and I think it's pretty likely that he killed her. It's like Serial, there are some weird facts in there and some unsympathetic characters, but at the end of the day it's really hard to imagine anyone other than Syed or Avery committing those murders.

I read on, I think Wikipedia, that his ex-girlfriend now believes he did it too.

edit: Also, I would like to point out a key difference:

With the cat incident, Steve Avery admitted to it in court. He admitted to it on video. If he was repeating that offence, then he would logically repeat the admission of guilt as well, but he didn't. Why?

Yeah, just can't imagine why someone would admit to torturing/killing a cat, but not a woman.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm 5 episodes in, and I think it's pretty likely that he killed her. It's like Serial, there are some weird facts in there and some unsympathetic characters, but at the end of the day it's really hard to imagine anyone other than Syed or Avery committing those murders.

I read on, I think Wikipedia, that his ex-girlfriend now believes he did it too.



Yeah, just can't imagine why someone would admit to torturing/killing a cat, but not a woman.

Not sure if serious...

 

[Cappuccino]

Not sure if serious...

i have not even seen episode 1 yet is this another fake shitty relaisty tv for the monies? i dont buy it .

 

[chimaxi83]

i have not even seen episode 1 yet is this another fake shitty relaisty tv for the monies? i dont buy it .

Yes, that's what it is. Skip it.

 

[darkswordsman17]

i have not even seen episode 1 yet is this another fake shitty relaisty tv for the monies? i dont buy it .

No, its a fairly straightforward, if somewhat disjointed, fairly in depth look at the defense's side of this case. It is worth a watch if you find the topic interesting.

Yes, that's what it is. Skip it.

I disagree. I'm not saying its great as I didn't think it was, but it is nowhere close to the typical reality TV style. And yes you should look up other facts (I haven't really done this yet, and seems like every day we get more things coming out). It certainly has flaws, but I don't know if you're just not aware of how horrible reality TV shows you're equating it to actually are, or if you really do think it is as trashy as those, but I'd definitely disagree with that assessment.

One major reason that I'd say that alone is that it has an abundance of footage from that time, so its not a bunch of re-enactments. When you can watch the actual video evidence of certain people say things (like the judge whom seems to consider the rape conviction to have been legitimate), or the interrogations, and some of the other things that was said/brought up.

My takeaway from it is that it just shows another example of how utterly broken our justice system is. Even if you think Avery is guilty as hell, I don't know how you can defend how horribly run that investigation was, to say nothing of the history of conduct from that department. And unfortunately stuff like that is far from uncommon. And not just that but a lot of stuff like how a lot of tools used by law enforcement are nowhere near as absolute as they pretend they are (police dogs, lots of forensic science), and stuff like how there's a lot of "experts" that effectively don't know jack shit but bought a diploma from a diploma mill that makes DeVry look like MIT.

 

[Perknose]

i have not even seen episode 1 yet is this another fake shitty relaisty tv for the monies? i dont buy it .

Yes, that's what it is. Skip it.

 

[chimaxi83]

I disagree. I'm not saying its great as I didn't think it was, but it is nowhere close to the typical reality TV style.

I was trying to save this thread from more posts like

i have not even seen episode 1 yet is this another fake shitty relaisty tv for the monies? i dont buy it .

Now you've ruined it.

Now this guy gets it.

 

[Triumph]

I watched the documentary purely for the riveting telephone conversations. "Uh, huh" "Yeah". Oh, yeah"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF3z-j8o39I

 

[Ichinisan]

This thread should have been bumped for everyone following this series / case.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2016/08/12/dassey-wins-ruling-teresa-halbach-murder/88632502/

 

[MartyMcFly3]

This thread should have been bumped for everyone following this series / case.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2016/08/12/dassey-wins-ruling-teresa-halbach-murder/88632502/

Spoiler alert US GOVERNMENT!!!

 

[Charmonium]

TL;DR -

Duffin's ruling
“The investigators’ use of leading questions and disclosure of non-public facts makes it difficult to evaluate whether Dassey really knew the facts or was simply agreeing with the investigators,” Duffin wrote in his decision.

“Based on its review of the record, the court acknowledges significant doubts as to the reliability of Dassey’s confession. Crucial details evolved through repeated leading and suggestive questioning and generally stopped changing only after the investigators, in some manner, indicated to Dassey that he finally gave the answer they were looking for.”

Duffin added:

“Most significantly, however, the (state) court of appeals erred when it focused on the statements of the investigators in isolation to conclude that they did not make any promises of leniency. True, no single statement by the investigators, if viewed in isolation, rendered Dassey’s statement involuntary. But when assessed collectively and cumulatively, as voluntariness must be assessed, it is clear how the investigators’
actions amounted to deceptive interrogation tactics that overbore Dassey’s free will.”

 

[SSSnail]

So the government finally concluded what we've concluded here all along? Nice to know.

 

[madoka]

I'm 5 episodes in, and I think it's pretty likely that he killed her. It's like Serial, there are some weird facts in there and some unsympathetic characters, but at the end of the day it's really hard to imagine anyone other than Syed or Avery committing those murders.

It really boils my blood that nitwits are trying to get these murderers out because they liked some TV show or podcast. It's unbelievably insulting to the victims' families.

 

[jackstar7]

It really boils my blood that nitwits are trying to get these murderers out because they liked some TV show or podcast. It's unbelievably insulting to the victims' families.

Remember this when you're falsely accused of a crime.

 

[madoka]

Remember this when you're falsely accused of a crime.

What makes you think anybody else committed these murders? Because some producer who has an incentive to create controversy and has the means to carefully craft the narrative convinced you? So yeah, we should give more weight to these entertainment shows than the years of work and investigation lawyers and judges put into these cases, because you know better than them right?

 

[OutHouse]

It really boils my blood that nitwits are trying to get these murderers out because they liked some TV show or podcast. It's unbelievably insulting to the victims' families.

the us government disagrees with you, go bitch at them for actually giving a damn.