Netflix Marvel: Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Defenders, Punisher

[lupi]

If there has been a thread on this already search failed me. Last preview trailer posted, series releases this weekend.

 

[OutHouse]

ill give it a shot.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

It looks like it might kinda sorta be targeting a specific demographic.

But if the quality of Daredevil and Jessica Jones is any indication, I will like it anyway.

 

[spacejamz]

I'm waiting for the first African American comic book character to be portrayed by a Caucasian actor/actress to see what the fallout is...

 

[Cozarkian]

I'm waiting for the first African American comic book character to be portrayed by a Caucasian actor/actress to see what the fallout is...

There will be an outcry of white washing and arguments explaining that changing a black character to white is a much more drastic impact because each black character makes up a higher percentage of the total population.

Imagine a person has 100 M&Ms and 10 reeses pieces and likes them equally. If I offer to give them 10 more of either candy in any combination, the person will probably take 10 Reese's pieces.

 

[slayer202]

It looks like it might kinda sorta be targeting a specific demographic.

But if the quality of Daredevil and Jessica Jones is any indication, I will like it anyway.

I hope luke cage punches you in your head

 

[Exterous]

So I watched the first episode and I hope it gets better because the first one wasn't all that interesting

 

[Ns1]

lol @ white people proclaiming luke cage is racist.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/...idget+threecolumn+Complex---Pop-Culture+node1

 

[smackababy]

I'm almost all the way through. It's not terrible. They changed some of the story and it's a bit predictable, but that's how all the Marvel shows are.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

I liked it. Maybe not as much as DD and JJ but it's still a great addition to the universe. Music made the show awesome.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

I liked it. Maybe not as much as DD and JJ but it's still a great addition to the universe. Music made the show awesome.

I'm halfway through, but frequently I am thinking to myself "This music doesn't really seem appropriate..."

The show really picks up after the first 4 episodes, so if you thought the first one or two were a bit slow and/or boring, know that if you wait it out it will get better.

 

[Imp]

Knew I recognized him... That's the guy from Ringer -- I thought he was D.B. Woodside before I checked IMDB.

 

[Exterous]

I'm halfway through, but frequently I am thinking to myself "This music doesn't really seem appropriate..."

The show really picks up after the first 4 episodes, so if you thought the first one or two were a bit slow and/or boring, know that if you wait it out it will get better.

Good to know - thanks

 

[Mayne]

I watched the first episode. It was a bit of a slow burn. Since I own the original #1 Luke Cage comic i'm obligated now to watch the whole series.

 

[slayer202]

I just watched the first episode and I thought it was pretty good

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Watched the series. I thought it was excellent.

 

[Skel]

I liked it OK, but it wasn't my fav of these series. The issue I personally found with it was the lack of threatening big bad. The people they put against Cage weren't really in his league so there wasn't ever the threat of him really losing.

Spoiler

Even with the Judas bullets you didn't really get the feeling it mattered.

All the other series had compelling villains to go against. It's a pity this series didn't have that.. also I'll always see him as Juice. You can put sunglasses on him and call him Shades but he's still Juice.. and watching Juice trying to be hard was just sad..

 

[DigDog]

as you might have read from my Films thread, i did not like it at all.

or rather, i did like the first two episodes, and a bit less the third.

So Luke is this brooding guy who wants to keep to himself and forget his past - cookie cutter background story where he is a policeman (check) unjustly incarcerated (check) in a prison where they make weird experiments on him (check) to give him superpowers.

Then he gets a motive to spring into action in the story, and he can see and easily take down his enemy, but .. he doesn't? Because he has morals? Even though he gets abused, shot at, hurt, his friends killed, and he is put in a situation where his character, as depicted by the very story, would whopp the bad guy's ass, but he does nothing?

"I'm gonna hurt him by taking his money"

NOOOO. Wait. Stop. Seriously stop. The bad guy is RIGHT THERE. HE IS AT THE WINDOW. LOOKING AT YOU.

You can go there RIGHT NOW and rip his arm out and beat him to death with it, he has no way to stop you, you can survive a rocket launcher hit and he's just a dumb gangster, there isn't even any police around and you have been give every moral right in the history of humanity to go there and kill him, for the love of god will you just DO SOMETHING.

They keep insisting with this "Luke Cage is a Black Hero who Black People can look up to with totally righteous moral values because Political Correctness 2016", but then any dumbass white guy gets to be a vigilante and kill anyone they want to for teh lulz because white people can do that but if a black guy does it then it's war on tmblr.

Chekov's Gun, if you put it on the mantlepiece in act 1, by act 2 the gun needs to shoot. You can't give me a tough yet righteous, wronged superhero immune to guns, and a motive of him wanting revenge on someone who is practically chained to the revenge chair, and then have him not-get-revenge for 9 episodes.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

as you might have read from my Films thread, i did not like it at all.

or rather, i did like the first two episodes, and a bit less the third.

So Luke is this brooding guy who wants to keep to himself and forget his past - cookie cutter background story where he is a policeman (check) unjustly incarcerated (check) in a prison where they make weird experiments on him (check) to give him superpowers.

Then he gets a motive to spring into action in the story, and he can see and easily take down his enemy, but .. he doesn't? Because he has morals? Even though he gets abused, shot at, hurt, his friends killed, and he is put in a situation where his character, as depicted by the very story, would whopp the bad guy's ass, but he does nothing?

"I'm gonna hurt him by taking his money"

NOOOO. Wait. Stop. Seriously stop. The bad guy is RIGHT THERE. HE IS AT THE WINDOW. LOOKING AT YOU.

You can go there RIGHT NOW and rip his arm out and beat him to death with it, he has no way to stop you, you can survive a rocket launcher hit and he's just a dumb gangster, there isn't even any police around and you have been give every moral right in the history of humanity to go there and kill him, for the love of god will you just DO SOMETHING.

They keep insisting with this "Luke Cage is a Black Hero who Black People can look up to with totally righteous moral values because Political Correctness 2016", but then any dumbass white guy gets to be a vigilante and kill anyone they want to for teh lulz because white people can do that but if a black guy does it then it's war on tmblr.

Chekov's Gun, if you put it on the mantlepiece in act 1, by act 2 the gun needs to shoot. You can't give me a tough yet righteous, wronged superhero immune to guns, and a motive of him wanting revenge on someone who is practically chained to the revenge chair, and then have him not-get-revenge for 9 episodes.

He's not the Punisher.

 

[KeithP]

So I watched the first episode and I hope it gets better because the first one wasn't all that interesting

That is being charitable…I fell asleep watching the first episode although I did eventually finish it. I will give it another couple of episodes but if it doesn't get dramatically better it will be off my watch list.

-KeithP

 

[DigDog]

He's not the Punisher.

or, he is? because he seems painted very similar to him, at least in (keyword) character. then they decide to not let him do anything that the character, AS DESCRIBED BY THE SERIES ITSELF, would do.

 

[Fenixgoon]

as you might have read from my Films thread, i did not like it at all.

or rather, i did like the first two episodes, and a bit less the third.

So Luke is this brooding guy who wants to keep to himself and forget his past - cookie cutter background story where he is a policeman (check) unjustly incarcerated (check) in a prison where they make weird experiments on him (check) to give him superpowers.

Then he gets a motive to spring into action in the story, and he can see and easily take down his enemy, but .. he doesn't? Because he has morals? Even though he gets abused, shot at, hurt, his friends killed, and he is put in a situation where his character, as depicted by the very story, would whopp the bad guy's ass, but he does nothing?

"I'm gonna hurt him by taking his money"

NOOOO. Wait. Stop. Seriously stop. The bad guy is RIGHT THERE. HE IS AT THE WINDOW. LOOKING AT YOU.

You can go there RIGHT NOW and rip his arm out and beat him to death with it, he has no way to stop you, you can survive a rocket launcher hit and he's just a dumb gangster, there isn't even any police around and you have been give every moral right in the history of humanity to go there and kill him, for the love of god will you just DO SOMETHING.

They keep insisting with this "Luke Cage is a Black Hero who Black People can look up to with totally righteous moral values because Political Correctness 2016", but then any dumbass white guy gets to be a vigilante and kill anyone they want to for teh lulz because white people can do that but if a black guy does it then it's war on tmblr.

Chekov's Gun, if you put it on the mantlepiece in act 1, by act 2 the gun needs to shoot. You can't give me a tough yet righteous, wronged superhero immune to guns, and a motive of him wanting revenge on someone who is practically chained to the revenge chair, and then have him not-get-revenge for 9 episodes.

khan has a good explanation: https://youtu.be/e7X01_j_oDA?t=95

so to really get at someone like cornell, you don't kick his ass...you take everything that he holds precious and make him suffer. that's how you really stick it to him.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

or, he is? because he seems painted very similar to him, at least in (keyword) character. then they decide to not let him do anything that the character, AS DESCRIBED BY THE SERIES ITSELF, would do.

Your argument makes no sense to me. I don’t see how you are comparing Luke Cage’s character and morals to the Punisher. I feel like you’re just saying because he can rip them apart he should. That's like arguing Iron Man can easily go and topple all of the world's governments, why doesn't he, BOOM world peace.

 

[DigDog]

do you feel that the writing in Iron Man depicts Tony Stark as someone who would have reasons to want to bring down said governments? Have these governments repeatedly harmed him and the ones he loves? Have these governments given him both motive and opportunity to want revenge?

 

[gorobei]

its a mixed bag, there are a lot of things to like about the series(actors, setting) but the overall plotting is a hot mess.

the first 3-5 eps are nicely done with some good grounding of the world and his effect in it, but after that that it just goes off in 5 different directions with no real drive in order to get some other backstory bits in. the origin of his powers part was well done and mixed into the present in a relevant way but after that they went off the rails with the willis retcon. there is an entirely different narrative throw in and a good bit of filler fluff in order to bulk it up to 13 eps. things just start coming out of left field and there is no real impact with the reveal.

jessica jones had a similar problem of a main arc and a bunch of tangents thrown in the middle that tended to distract and drag down the pacing.

out of all the netflix marvels, this is probably the weakest. none of the amazing cinematography of DD s1, no amazing performances like tennant in JJ or d'onofrio in DD, nothing as impressive as punisher origin from DD s2. which is sad since colton is actually very good as cage but the writing wasnt up to snuff here.