Netflix Marvel: Luke Cage, Iron Fist, The Defenders, Punisher

[Kaido]

Regarding Iron Fist S2:

Spoiler

Finished the show:

1. Everything could have been solved with a gun.

2. I liked the twist that Colleen got the Fist

3. I liked that her sword lit up, that was pretty cool

4. Alllllllmost good all the way to the end, right until Danny went all Lara Croft dual-wielding magic guns, lol

Also:

1. Felt like they dragged out the ending for the entire last episode

2. I didn't like the integration of 'mystical music' & stuff, like before Colleen went to sleep to get her tattoo. Most genres have a heart, and if a movie embodies the heart, then it's a pretty good movie. For example, the original Star Wars trilogy did this...the prequels mostly missed out on it, TFA started to bring it back, and TLJ dropped the ball. All of those stupid kung-fu movies we watched growing up generally touched on the heart of their genre...the idea that kung-fu was awesome, that we as the viewers could be awesome, that there was this bigger picture to be a part of. The choreography was a lot better in S2, but I felt like they didn't really focus on the kung-fu like they should have. Movies like this should basically be a fun excuse to do kung-fu stuff, you know? Fighting fanservice, basically.

3. Ward is my favorite part of the show. I like the actor, I like the character, and I like how he is written. I wish that everyone else had that much effort put into them.

4. A bit disappointed that it was only 10 episodes long.

5. Walker intrigues me, very interested to see what the deal is with the third persona & how that will come into play in the future

6. I buy Joy's story a bit more, now that the season is finished, but I still thought it was dumb how she just kind "turned bad".

7. No Luke Cage crossover? C'mon now...

8. They are setting things up for a lot of fun in the future...Ward & Danny's worldwide adventures, Colleen being Batman, Knight & Wing team-up, facing Luke in the future, etc.

9. This season was better than last season, by a lot, but at the same time, not as much as I'd hoped for. Danny's appearance in Luke Cage season 2 was a bit surprisingly, but I really liked how they portrayed his character in there...unfortunately the story didn't really carry out into Iron Fist season 2 as I had hoped, for a lot of reasons. Needed a deeper meaning, needed better kung-fu, needed more...various things. Like at the community center at the end with the two rival gangs, they get like, 15 people? That's their entire army to run NYC? lol. I like how they portrayed things in like say Rush Hour 2, where the Triads are huge & serious & everywhere. The target audience doesn't just feel mixed, but a little hollow...like it could be really great, serious, awesome story, or it could be a story that is more simple yet takes itself seriously, like say the first Mortal Kombat movie, or it could be like Arrow or the Flash, where it's more oriented towards young teenagers.

Daredevil is still the king of Netflix superhero movies. The Punisher is second in line, although it was different than expected - it was more of a real-life version of why he is who he is. Luke Cage season 2 was a lot better than the first, and Iron Fist season 2 was a lot better than the first. Jessica Jones, I'll put in last place...season 2 was like, a documentary about her life. No real bad guy. The last few episodes of the first season of JJ were actually pretty awesome, once things really took off with Dr. Who there.

Anyway, I'll keep watching them as long as they keep pumping them out! Gotta have something to watch during my morning cardio

 

[zinfamous]

Regarding Iron Fist S2:

Spoiler

Finished the show:

1. Everything could have been solved with a gun.

2. I liked the twist that Colleen got the Fist

3. I liked that her sword lit up, that was pretty cool

4. Alllllllmost good all the way to the end, right until Danny went all Lara Croft dual-wielding magic guns, lol

Also:

1. Felt like they dragged out the ending for the entire last episode

2. I didn't like the integration of 'mystical music' & stuff, like before Colleen went to sleep to get her tattoo. Most genres have a heart, and if a movie embodies the heart, then it's a pretty good movie. For example, the original Star Wars trilogy did this...the prequels mostly missed out on it, TFA started to bring it back, and TLJ dropped the ball. All of those stupid kung-fu movies we watched growing up generally touched on the heart of their genre...the idea that kung-fu was awesome, that we as the viewers could be awesome, that there was this bigger picture to be a part of. The choreography was a lot better in S2, but I felt like they didn't really focus on the kung-fu like they should have. Movies like this should basically be a fun excuse to do kung-fu stuff, you know? Fighting fanservice, basically.

3. Ward is my favorite part of the show. I like the actor, I like the character, and I like how he is written. I wish that everyone else had that much effort put into them.

4. A bit disappointed that it was only 10 episodes long.

5. Walker intrigues me, very interested to see what the deal is with the third persona & how that will come into play in the future

6. I buy Joy's story a bit more, now that the season is finished, but I still thought it was dumb how she just kind "turned bad".

7. No Luke Cage crossover? C'mon now...

8. They are setting things up for a lot of fun in the future...Ward & Danny's worldwide adventures, Colleen being Batman, Knight & Wing team-up, facing Luke in the future, etc.

9. This season was better than last season, by a lot, but at the same time, not as much as I'd hoped for. Danny's appearance in Luke Cage season 2 was a bit surprisingly, but I really liked how they portrayed his character in there...unfortunately the story didn't really carry out into Iron Fist season 2 as I had hoped, for a lot of reasons. Needed a deeper meaning, needed better kung-fu, needed more...various things. Like at the community center at the end with the two rival gangs, they get like, 15 people? That's their entire army to run NYC? lol. I like how they portrayed things in like say Rush Hour 2, where the Triads are huge & serious & everywhere. The target audience doesn't just feel mixed, but a little hollow...like it could be really great, serious, awesome story, or it could be a story that is more simple yet takes itself seriously, like say the first Mortal Kombat movie, or it could be like Arrow or the Flash, where it's more oriented towards young teenagers.

Daredevil is still the king of Netflix superhero movies. The Punisher is second in line, although it was different than expected - it was more of a real-life version of why he is who he is. Luke Cage season 2 was a lot better than the first, and Iron Fist season 2 was a lot better than the first. Jessica Jones, I'll put in last place...season 2 was like, a documentary about her life. No real bad guy. The last few episodes of the first season of JJ were actually pretty awesome, once things really took off with Dr. Who there.

Anyway, I'll keep watching them as long as they keep pumping them out! Gotta have something to watch during my morning cardio

Read (ONLY!) the very first line of your spoiler, pt. 1 (Still haven't seen the show)

Spoiler

Isn't that the entire premise of ~5 seasons of the original MacGiver? lol

 

[Kaido]

Re: Iron Fist season 2

 

[Skel]

Regarding Iron Fist S2:

Spoiler

Finished the show:

1. Everything could have been solved with a gun.

2. I liked the twist that Colleen got the Fist

3. I liked that her sword lit up, that was pretty cool

4. Alllllllmost good all the way to the end, right until Danny went all Lara Croft dual-wielding magic guns, lol

Also:

1. Felt like they dragged out the ending for the entire last episode

2. I didn't like the integration of 'mystical music' & stuff, like before Colleen went to sleep to get her tattoo. Most genres have a heart, and if a movie embodies the heart, then it's a pretty good movie. For example, the original Star Wars trilogy did this...the prequels mostly missed out on it, TFA started to bring it back, and TLJ dropped the ball. All of those stupid kung-fu movies we watched growing up generally touched on the heart of their genre...the idea that kung-fu was awesome, that we as the viewers could be awesome, that there was this bigger picture to be a part of. The choreography was a lot better in S2, but I felt like they didn't really focus on the kung-fu like they should have. Movies like this should basically be a fun excuse to do kung-fu stuff, you know? Fighting fanservice, basically.

3. Ward is my favorite part of the show. I like the actor, I like the character, and I like how he is written. I wish that everyone else had that much effort put into them.

4. A bit disappointed that it was only 10 episodes long.

5. Walker intrigues me, very interested to see what the deal is with the third persona & how that will come into play in the future

6. I buy Joy's story a bit more, now that the season is finished, but I still thought it was dumb how she just kind "turned bad".

7. No Luke Cage crossover? C'mon now...

8. They are setting things up for a lot of fun in the future...Ward & Danny's worldwide adventures, Colleen being Batman, Knight & Wing team-up, facing Luke in the future, etc.

9. This season was better than last season, by a lot, but at the same time, not as much as I'd hoped for. Danny's appearance in Luke Cage season 2 was a bit surprisingly, but I really liked how they portrayed his character in there...unfortunately the story didn't really carry out into Iron Fist season 2 as I had hoped, for a lot of reasons. Needed a deeper meaning, needed better kung-fu, needed more...various things. Like at the community center at the end with the two rival gangs, they get like, 15 people? That's their entire army to run NYC? lol. I like how they portrayed things in like say Rush Hour 2, where the Triads are huge & serious & everywhere. The target audience doesn't just feel mixed, but a little hollow...like it could be really great, serious, awesome story, or it could be a story that is more simple yet takes itself seriously, like say the first Mortal Kombat movie, or it could be like Arrow or the Flash, where it's more oriented towards young teenagers.

Daredevil is still the king of Netflix superhero movies. The Punisher is second in line, although it was different than expected - it was more of a real-life version of why he is who he is. Luke Cage season 2 was a lot better than the first, and Iron Fist season 2 was a lot better than the first. Jessica Jones, I'll put in last place...season 2 was like, a documentary about her life. No real bad guy. The last few episodes of the first season of JJ were actually pretty awesome, once things really took off with Dr. Who there.

Anyway, I'll keep watching them as long as they keep pumping them out! Gotta have something to watch during my morning cardio

Spoiler: If you spoil a bad show does anyone care?

1. Everything could have been solved with a gun.

It shouldn't be this bad.. theoretically he should be able to stop bullets (shattering them) with the fist, but this is Jeph Leob and he's afraid of complicating shows about powered people with them using their power much.

2. I liked the twist that Colleen got the Fist

I only really hate that rather than fix Danny Rand they opted for just giving us a new lead.

4. Alllllllmost good all the way to the end, right until Danny went all Lara Croft dual-wielding magic guns, lol

It's a thing the books did, which I hated. Seems that his Grandfather was also an Iron Fist.. which is beyond stupid.. even for comics.


1. Felt like they dragged out the ending for the entire last episode

I'm convinced that his is all the Netflix shows. They don't have anywhere near enough content to give us a 10 hour movie, so they add a ton of filler that it pointless and drags the show down. Funny enough after the final battle I paused it to do something and noticed it was only 28 mins into the episode. Why they need to give us another half hour of epilogue for characters that shouldn't be on screen that much disturbs me.

2. I didn't like the integration of 'mystical music' & stuff, like before Colleen went to sleep to get her tattoo. Most genres have a heart, and if a movie embodies the heart, then it's a pretty good movie. For example, the original Star Wars trilogy did this...the prequels mostly missed out on it, TFA started to bring it back, and TLJ dropped the ball. All of those stupid kung-fu movies we watched growing up generally touched on the heart of their genre...the idea that kung-fu was awesome, that we as the viewers could be awesome, that there was this bigger picture to be a part of. The choreography was a lot better in S2, but I felt like they didn't really focus on the kung-fu like they should have. Movies like this should basically be a fun excuse to do kung-fu stuff, you know? Fighting fanservice, basically.

This is another example that Jeph Loeb doesn't want to make these shows. I'm pretty sure he wants to make a full on soap opera. He goes out of his way to avoid costumes, and makes any fights or using of powers very rare. I agree with you, this show should be the old "Black Belt Theater" but instead we get Ward's having a baby, and Davos gets laid, but he doesn't want to.. so compelling.

3. Ward is my favorite part of the show. I like the actor, I like the character, and I like how he is written. I wish that everyone else had that much effort put into them.

It's not that I disagree.. but there really was no point to him in this season. They forced things for him to do, and added pointless drama arcs just to have him in it. I like the character well enough, but he just didn't have much to do with Davos vs Danny.

4. A bit disappointed that it was only 10 episodes long.

I really disagree here.. if anything they should have cut it further down and tighten up the story more.

5. Walker intrigues me, very interested to see what the deal is with the third persona & how that will come into play in the future

Typhoid Mary is one of the biggest wastes of a character I've ever seen. They really should have saved her for Daredevil (she's one of his bad guys.. girls?) and followed more closely to what they did there. It was a interesting story. Here she's Punisher light... and the Multiple Personalities didn't really add anything to the story.. looked like it would in the beginning, but then nada.. they could have had Davos get away a bunch of different ways, her turning into gentle Mary was forced. Such a massive waste of both the character and the actress.. Out of all my issues with this season, this was the biggest... possibly the biggest let down on any of the Marvel Netflix stuff.

6. I buy Joy's story a bit more, now that the season is finished, but I still thought it was dumb how she just kind "turned bad".

Still don't buy it, and worse was her flipping back. If anything they should have just gone for it and made her really jacked up and trying to murder Danny and Ward.

7. No Luke Cage crossover? C'mon now...

My only issue here is in Luke Cage he made a thing about how Luke didn't ask for help.. then he's suddenly powerless and struggling and he doesn't call Luke?

8. They are setting things up for a lot of fun in the future...Ward & Danny's worldwide adventures, Colleen being Batman, Knight & Wing team-up, facing Luke in the future, etc.

Honestly it'll all be thrown out the window next season (God willing there won't be another season..) They'll focus on someone's mom and how they need to save her to protect the Iron Fist.. Strangely enough they find an Iron Fist's body in the world and don't think "Maybe there are more survivors from Kun Lun.. that we can help" but that would break with Jeph Leob.

9. This season was better than last season, by a lot, but at the same time, not as much as I'd hoped for. Danny's appearance in Luke Cage season 2 was a bit surprisingly, but I really liked how they portrayed his character in there...unfortunately the story didn't really carry out into Iron Fist season 2 as I had hoped, for a lot of reasons. Needed a deeper meaning, needed better kung-fu, needed more...various things. Like at the community center at the end with the two rival gangs, they get like, 15 people? That's their entire army to run NYC? lol. I like how they portrayed things in like say Rush Hour 2, where the Triads are huge & serious & everywhere. The target audience doesn't just feel mixed, but a little hollow...like it could be really great, serious, awesome story, or it could be a story that is more simple yet takes itself seriously, like say the first Mortal Kombat movie, or it could be like Arrow or the Flash, where it's more oriented towards young teenagers.

I got a kick out of how the Triads were done here. Not only the lack of men, but the idea that the guy's wife just decided to run it and no one questioned it. It wasn't like they set it up that she was directing him. Just one day she shows up with some antique and she's now in charge. I also got a amusement out of how a Harlem Detective didn't have enough to do in Harlem that she decided to be part of the gang war. (if you can call it a war). I tried to tell myself that maybe the Punisher cleaned things out, and Davos killed most of them.

Daredevil is still the king of Netflix superhero movies. The Punisher is second in line, although it was different than expected - it was more of a real-life version of why he is who he is. Luke Cage season 2 was a lot better than the first, and Iron Fist season 2 was a lot better than the first. Jessica Jones, I'll put in last place...season 2 was like, a documentary about her life. No real bad guy. The last few episodes of the first season of JJ were actually pretty awesome, once things really took off with Dr. Who there.

I liked DD.. you could tell they had an idea and there wasn't anywhere near as much fluff as there is in the later shows. Kingpin and Killgrave were both amazing villains that worked so well in their shows. After that things started to fall apart. The villains have become more and more weak as these shows move forward. Of course the last episode of JJ was the one where I first noticed the need to have pointless stories of characters that don't matter. When the druggie neighbor took the sister to where he dumped her brother's body was one of the worst things I've seen in a show. It ruined the pace of the show and took the steam out of the episode. I don't know why when we're doing a major buildup to the final battle do they take a side turn for something no one really cared about..

I want to like Punisher, but Garth Ennis ruined him for me.. every other version just seems watered down

This long rantish post is what happens when I'm stuck in a holding pattern waiting for someone else to finish their work before I can begin.. I honestly thought I would just delete it before I finished, but some people are slllloooowwww... bastards.

 

[Aikouka]

I think I've got an episode left in season two of Iron Fist, and ugh... I'm pretty sure I've figured out what makes it so bad. The show contains the worst aspect of DC's CW shows -- in other words, it feels like the show has too much pointless (relationship) drama. There's nothing wrong with drama in these shows, but so much of it is centered around relationships where one or more parties are overreacting to something. To have good drama, you have to make it at least somewhat relatable, and when the drama just makes you want to wring a character's neck, you're not doing a good job.

Oh, and please make Finn Jones stop whisper-talking. I get that he's trying to take the quiet monk approach to the character, but it just completely fails to resonate when the whole point of the show is that the character is hot-headed, emotional and overreacts to things.

Some other thoughts on season two...

The first episodes were really boring. There was just so much setup with the triads, but in reality, these characters were really just plot devices and they didn't need so much focus.

I agree that the show just feels too long. Overall, a plot like this would've been a two- or three-parter episode series on a normal show.

Do any characters have a character arc? I think Joy is arguably the only one who "grows" (or at least changes) in the season.

Overall, I feel like they've been trying to capture the magic of Daredevil season one, but they keep missing the mark and landing on Green Lantern. Yikes...!

 

[Kaido]

Overall, I feel like they've been trying to capture the magic of Daredevil season one, but they keep missing the mark and landing on Green Lantern. Yikes...!

hahahahaha...but...yeah

 

[gorobei]

I don't think it was his acting that was the problem in IF S1, I think it was the story & the directing. He was super-whiny the whole series (writing), the kung-fu stuff was pretty lame for the most part (directing & choreography), etc.

I probably liked Harold & Ward the most from season 1, haha.

IF1 suffered a ton from being delayed and then rushed production/filming. the showrunner they chose, Scott Buck, was also in charge of travesty that was Marvel's Inhumans. he appears to be the guy you call in when you just want to get the schlock out the door asap. IF s1 suffered massively from the fact that they didnt have the budget to develop/film KunLun and Danny getting the fist which was the kinda critical origin of his "origin story" so naturally they just leave it out.

Random thoughts:
If Danny or Davos can be taken down so easily, what the hell good is the Iron Fist? Makes no sense. No guns exit in that time line? They are always attacked with knives, sticks or fists. I guess honor is involved. Also, Immortal should also mean just that. I guess it means the Dragon is immortal but not the one carrying it. Never read the comics so maybe these things are explained.

the netflix universe seems to operate on a "no one is super powerful enough to change the rules" policy. so no hulks or thors or anyone who would demonstrate that superpowers make police/military inconsequential such that you would need all the governments of the world to create an army with alien tech capable of dealing with them. everyone save Luke Cage needs to be able to be killed with a bullet. they dont have the budget/time for the cg required for the level of power shown in the comics, which really makes the writers contort the plot in order to avoid the logical scope of their powers.

for the most part everyone is a far cry from their comic version. by the time Danny was trained enough to challenge the dragon and claim the fist, he should have been powerful enough to one hit kill/neutralize any human without using the fist. but audiences are conditioned to expect multiple exchanges of punches in order to qualify as a 'fight' sequence. its ok for DD but not IF.

Spoiler: not sure if needed

You'd be correct. Iron Fist is a title in K'un L'un and it used to be passed down to a new person when the old one died. Shou-Lao gets killed by the Iron Fist and that powers his fist. When the Iron Fist dies Shou-Lao is reborn in his cave and awaits the next challenger. The people of K'un L'un train their entire lives for the chance to take on Shou-Lao, which is one of my issues with this show. Everyone seems to fight Rand to a standstill when he should be walking through people.

I read somewhere that the people making the show said his original origin of being the outsider in an Asian kung-fu city that somehow rises to the top and becomes their champion was too outdated for today. That's why they went with the story they way they did. I've noticed that Jeph Loeb (the main guy in Marvel TV) really seems to hate superheros. Every TV show he does, it's like he goes out of his way to avoid having them in any costume. I get wanting a more 'realistic' version of these things, but it's like he wants to make a full on soap opera (which I know is a key part of comics) and focus on drunks making babies rather than... I don't know.. a gang war with a guy who can punch a hole in a building in the middle.

its hard to get a good version when whoever is in charge doesnt understand or hasnt read the source material, or just doesnt care. i suspect most of the people in the writers room are not comics fans. Punisher s1 was just about a guy good with guns and the writers were clearly way more comfortable working within the confines of that boundry, deaths were way more significant and threats were more perilous. writing for someone with powers or kungfu mastery isnt something you get good at without a lot of familiarity with the genre. calling it the 'street level' version of the mcu means the writers are just search-n-replacing punches for guns/bullets and that doesnt work.

I think I've got an episode left in season two of Iron Fist, and ugh... I'm pretty sure I've figured out what makes it so bad. The show contains the worst aspect of DC's CW shows -- in other words, it feels like the show has too much pointless (relationship) drama. There's nothing wrong with drama in these shows, but so much of it is centered around relationships where one or more parties are overreacting to something. To have good drama, you have to make it at least somewhat relatable, and when the drama just makes you want to wring a character's neck, you're not doing a good job.

Oh, and please make Finn Jones stop whisper-talking. I get that he's trying to take the quiet monk approach to the character, but it just completely fails to resonate when the whole point of the show is that the character is hot-headed, emotional and overreacts to things.

Some other thoughts on season two...

The first episodes were really boring. There was just so much setup with the triads, but in reality, these characters were really just plot devices and they didn't need so much focus.

I agree that the show just feels too long. Overall, a plot like this would've been a two- or three-parter episode series on a normal show.

Do any characters have a character arc? I think Joy is arguably the only one who "grows" (or at least changes) in the season.

Overall, I feel like they've been trying to capture the magic of Daredevil season one, but they keep missing the mark and landing on Green Lantern. Yikes...!

I went back and watched some of IF s1 to try and remind me what worked and didnt. the psychological torment of the Meechum family was big part of the drama, dealing with the fallout of that in s2 doesnt work if you havent watched s1 recently and its fresh in your mind. if you remember how invested you are in s1 Ward, seeing it play out with Joy is fine. but the interim between the seasons means you forget and come in with a sense that 'here are all the characters, i like them so therefore they are all in a good place' when most were pretty messed up emotionally at the end of s1. [side note: s1 had some beautiful cinematography and location shoots. you can always tell because bullet hits on walls are notably absent]

The bigger problem with 10-13 ep series like these was summed up by a YT video where they diagnose the problems of Westworld S2. [found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTy-ZBpzvAI ]
you have a bunch of characters that everyone enjoys watching, who have relevant but opposed agendas (with death on the table as stakes go). BUT in order to pad out the minutes, you have them come into contact with each other ready to kill each other but the story keeps contriving a reason to delay the final confrontation. the equivalent of story cock-blocking just leaves the viewer frustrated and annoyed when the characters have to reiterate there feelings after each plot/cocktease.

DD s1 worked better in that there was a progression of challenges (saving Karen, identifying the villain, finding the big villain, lucking into a minor villain saving the day by serving up a deus ex machina that takes down the big boss.) the protagonists took action and solved problems while setting the emotional stakes. they keep trying to force the other shows into the same mold despite them being very different genres(JJ noir detective, LC blacksploitation camp, IF chopsockey)

as a general note, IF has been working towards a version of the Immortal Iron Fist comics run which was the most successful refresh/retcon of the character. they have however already wasted characters from that run as toss-offs in s1s2, so no guarantees that they will be able to do justice to the comics. in short if s3 isnt about a tournament then it will likely be a big fail, or it will be a prelude to S4 as the proper version.

 

[lsd]

Iron Fist Cancelled
https://io9.gizmodo.com/holy-cow-iron-fist-has-been-cancelled-by-netflix-1829723063
No surprise here, season 2 was just as boring as season 1.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The biggest thing I don't buy is Joy's character change. Okay, so she suddenly turned pure evil because her world got turned upside down? I buy Davos' agenda, but not Joy's. I'll see how S2 goes I guess...

Agreed, that seems forced. I’ll admit I did enjoy watching the shows though.

 

[gorobei]

while IF wasnt pulling the numbers or the critical reviews, the disney streaming service plans may have played a part in the cancellation. all of the netflix series could end up being canned and moved over to their inhouse service.

 

[zinfamous]

while IF wasnt pulling the numbers or the critical reviews, the disney streaming service plans may have played a part in the cancellation. all of the netflix series could end up being canned and moved over to their inhouse service.

That is a good point.

Oh well, RIP mostly-shitty anodyne superhero fluff series with ~12% great content on Netflix. :\

 

[shortylickens]

the second season of jessica jones is marginally better than the first, but I still dont give a shit.

the second season of Luke Cage is MUCH better than the first and that pleases me greatly.

Iron Fist will need a ginormous leap to be watchable.

 

[thebestMAX]

Watched the last 2 episodes last night just because I am a glutton for punishment. They must have conceived of, written and filmed the last 20 minutes in 20 minutes. Adios MF, ehr, IF.

Spoiler

How did Danny wind up with TWO iron fists? or any? Now the IF extends into swords, bullets and even controls bullets??? How many threads or stories can we leave open so maybe the audience, all 25 of them, will come back next season to see them resolved if there is a next season which there isnt. Joy survived, bummer there also.

 

[Skel]

Watched the last 2 episodes last night just because I am a glutton for punishment. They must have conceived of, written and filmed the last 20 minutes in 20 minutes. Adios MF, ehr, IF.

Spoiler

How did Danny wind up with TWO iron fists? or any? Now the IF extends into swords, bullets and even controls bullets??? How many threads or stories can we leave open so maybe the audience, all 25 of them, will come back next season to see them resolved if there is a next season which there isnt. Joy survived, bummer there also.

Spoiler: Still not sure a spoiler tag matters, but to answer yours

. If your show is so bad you need to replace your lead then maybe it's time to accept it's a misfire. Them attempting to have multiple IFs is because they wanted to replace Danny but didn't want to let the actors go. The show isn't about a Kung Fu guy, it's a soap opera where all the people get backstories that make little sense past screen time.

 

[lupi]

Looks like disney getting ready to pull everything not on it's service, luke cage just got the netflix cancel.

 

[Sonikku]

Well the dream was nice while it lasted. Kind of like Steam, all the games you wanted in one place at usually good prices before everybody tried making their own trashy buggy pieces of shit launchers that all needed their own .EXEs and everything clogging up our computers.

Now after having so much content at our fingertips with Netflix for so long, everybody wants to decentralize and all make their own unique streaming services that are all sub par, having their own rules, policies, etc and exist largely to the detriment to the end user. It feels like after technology carried us forward for so long that it is now taking us backwards. Oh well. It was nice while it lasted.

 

[shortylickens]

the second season of jessica jones is marginally better than the first, but I still dont give a shit.

the second season of Luke Cage is MUCH better than the first and that pleases me greatly.

Iron Fist will need a ginormous leap to be watchable.

Oh, I guess it did......


https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/shows-that-experienced-sophomore-bumps/

 

[Newbian]

Well season 3 of daredevil has started so maybe this will bring back some fun.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I’m on episode 5 of Daredevil season 3. Episode 4 has a fantastic 10 min fight scene that is quite the cinematic accomplishment.

 

[zinfamous]

wow, pulling Luke Cage now? lol. gl, Disney, thinking that customers that don't pay for cable suddenly want to float multiple $15/month subs.

wtf are these idiots thinking?

anyway, Daredevil s3 was a bit of a surprise. Had no idea that it was suddenly upon us. Guess it's the last Netflix Marvel series? Was hoping to get one more Punisher, at least. Oh well.

 

[Skel]

I’m on episode 5 of Daredevil season 3. Episode 4 has a fantastic 10 min fight scene that is quite the cinematic accomplishment.

I started it last night and have made it through episode 5 so far.. I have to say, the fight scenes are brilliant in terms of filming as they look to be one long shot. That must have been a nightmare. Of course the rest of it is very painfully stupid and slow. They've padded a ton of pointless stuff into it to give the actors stuff to do. I'm also convinced that Sister what'shername

Spoiler: stupid stupid stupid

will turn out to be his mother, cause Netflix Marvel has some thing for making sure to pad their series with pointless family drama.

I also hate how

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Bullseye is an FBI agent. It's a very long and pointless plot. What's wrong with him just being a 'gifted' assassin type that Fisk hires? It would make complete sense and work with the long badly done backstory for him in episode 5.

It's like they can't help themselves but make sure the drag the pacing down with this crap.. I'll finish this season out, but unless it makes a dramatic reversal this will be my last Marvel Netflix show. If anything I support Disney for killing these series off. I can only hope they'll learn some lessons here and do better with their streaming service shows.

stupid stupid stupid.. and they have literal blueprints of stories that would work (even without all the comic baggage) and this is what they give us.. stupid stupid stupid

 

[Aikouka]

I just finished the last episode of Daredevil Season 3, and I think it's still easy to say that Daredevil is their best Marvel show. Although, some thoughts....

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I thought that Poindexter became a bit ridiculous as time went on. My biggest problem is that literally anything became a weapon when he threw it, which is just... dumb. At one point, he threw Rosary beads, which were capable of shattering panes of glass upon impact. Seriously? I'm fine with his ricocheting and stuff... although, it did seem rather odd when he just magically started doing it and no one seemed to know that he could do stuff like that.

I don't know what it is with these shows, but they seem to have a fascination with making people get mad at each other for not telling them stuff. I mean... these people live in a world of superheroes and vigilantes, so I've never understood why Foggy and Karen both got so damn upset when Matt told them who he was. In this season, you have Matt getting mad after he finds out who his mom really is. The worst part about that "reveal" is that it was done in such an awkward, and hamfisted way. The sister literally knows that he has incredibly good hearing and that he's downstairs, yet she still admits that Matt is her son. Matt proceeds to get mad at the priest, which felt weird given it kind of falls under the "not his secret to tell" thing. Outside of that, they kept a lot of the awful, CW-level drama to a minimum.

Also, one of the episodes dedicates about half of its runtime to going over Karen's backstory and what happened to her brother. Honestly, I didn't really think that was necessary. It felt thrown in and not written well -- which I think was incredibly apparent by how the show felt that we're so stupid that they have to throw big "NOW" text on the screen when they were done with the flashback. No shit, writers... you're showing her in the church again... we know what time it is. Of course, they also went back and covered How I Met Your Mother: Daredevil Edition as a flashback, but that wasn't nearly as long and drawn out.

 

[Kaido]

 

[Skel]

I finally finished DD S3 last night. It will be my last Marvel Netflix show. The amount of stupidity and boredom that they insist on making it just too much for me. I wasn't looking for a comic on screen, but I was looking for more than another version of "This is us" type drama. It's a pity as it started off so good in DD S1 and lost it's way over the years. Not sure if it was a cut in budget, or if the people were just not the right people to make superhero shows. Either way, the fact I was right about the Nun makes me just shake my head as it served no real anything other than adding family drama to it.

I just finished the last episode of Daredevil Season 3, and I think it's still easy to say that Daredevil is their best Marvel show. Although, some thoughts....

Spoiler

I thought that Poindexter became a bit ridiculous as time went on. My biggest problem is that literally anything became a weapon when he threw it, which is just... dumb. At one point, he threw Rosary beads, which were capable of shattering panes of glass upon impact. Seriously? I'm fine with his ricocheting and stuff... although, it did seem rather odd when he just magically started doing it and no one seemed to know that he could do stuff like that.

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I personally really hated they made him a FBI agent to being with. I don't think the Kingpin turning him was interesting, let alone well done. I agree that it's very odd that no one ever caught on to his ability, let alone his mental issues. The gun took apart his gun and impaled two people with the parts. How did that not raise any eyebrows? Did the forensic people just shrug and think they slipped? I get we're supposed to believe he's Dexter level at hiding everything, but even his ability to be a good shot would get some attention. I just don't get why they couldn't just have Kingpin just hire people. Why they had to have the FBI stick around, even after he somehow reversed 5 counts of RICO, I just don't understand. He could afford to buy better protection, hell he could have hired that evil merc group from the Punisher show. Billy wouldn't have been the end of it. I guess he was trying to save a buck.. which is stupid. Bullseye is a great character, it's a real pity they didn't bother reading up on him past his ability to throw things. I guess the ending leads us to believe he's getting leveled up with it.. which I don't understand. Why level up his throwing ability.. to what? He can already kill people by throwing things at them.

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I don't know what it is with these shows, but they seem to have a fascination with making people get mad at each other for not telling them stuff. I mean... these people live in a world of superheroes and vigilantes, so I've never understood why Foggy and Karen both got so damn upset when Matt told them who he was. In this season, you have Matt getting mad after he finds out who his mom really is. The worst part about that "reveal" is that it was done in such an awkward, and hamfisted way. The sister literally knows that he has incredibly good hearing and that he's downstairs, yet she still admits that Matt is her son. Matt proceeds to get mad at the priest, which felt weird given it kind of falls under the "not his secret to tell" thing. Outside of that, they kept a lot of the awful, CW-level drama to a minimum.

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I really hate pointless drama. The Nun being his mother is an example of it. If you removed it completely from the story, did it effect or change anything? Nope.. You could have just removed it and nothing would have been shifted off course. This would be the 4th show in a row to make a thing out of a Mother/child relationship. The people that make these shows have a mad on for the arcs for some reason. I guess when you're into watching shows like "This is us" you can't help yourself but try to add it to your story.. even if it bogs the thing down.

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Also, one of the episodes dedicates about half of its runtime to going over Karen's backstory and what happened to her brother. Honestly, I didn't really think that was necessary. It felt thrown in and not written well -- which I think was incredibly apparent by how the show felt that we're so stupid that they have to throw big "NOW" text on the screen when they were done with the flashback. No shit, writers... you're showing her in the church again... we know what time it is. Of course, they also went back and covered How I Met Your Mother: Daredevil Edition as a flashback, but that wasn't nearly as long and drawn out.

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She started well enough, but the more we see her the less interesting she is. I'm very amused on how in the first season DD was convinced she couldn't kill anyone, and in this season she's holding secrets that she killed her brother.. or at least feels responsible for his death. You'd think when he asked her if she's ever killed anyone he'd catch onto she wasn't being completely honest. I guess you can't have her on screen if you don't give her stuff to do. I'd rather they explain why the bottoms of her eyes are always red. Girl needs to get that looked at.. just saying..

 

[Exterous]

I’m on episode 5 of Daredevil season 3. Episode 4 has a fantastic 10 min fight scene that is quite the cinematic accomplishment.

That was the highlight of the season for me. And compared to that the last fight scene of the season seemed like a bit of a let down

I'm somewhat glad other people found the pacing to be slow. In all honesty I started fast forwarding through a lot of Karen's dialogue and don't feel I missed anything. I think I skipped half of her backstory episode