Networking vs GPA

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AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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C. The guy with a very crappy GPA who spent his summers doing unpaid internships.

Experience > Networking > GPA
 

SamurAchzar

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Feb 15, 2006
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You can always learn technical skills.
People can rarely learn people skills.

I would say it's actually the other way around. A techie can become a people guy but a people guy can't become a techie. I've seen this happen quite a few times. Obviously, if you are that good if a people guy most likely you'll just skip the techie stage on your way up the corporate ladder...

It's really not that difficult to be networked. Keep your contacts tidy, buy people lunch once in a while, bring them useful information where possible, acknowledge their help (last guy who set me an important meeting got a $120 bottle of wine), try to help them with whatever problems you can and be nice.
You don't need to be their friend. Any guy can learn the above, unless he's really really socially awkward.
 

kyrax12

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May 21, 2010
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I would say it's actually the other way around. A techie can become a people guy but a people guy can't become a techie. I've seen this happen quite a few times. Obviously, if you are that good if a people guy most likely you'll just skip the techie stage on your way up the corporate ladder...

It's really not that difficult to be networked. Keep your contacts tidy, buy people lunch once in a while, bring them useful information where possible, acknowledge their help (last guy who set me an important meeting got a $120 bottle of wine), try to help them with whatever problems you can and be nice.
You don't need to be their friend. Any guy can learn the above, unless he's really really socially awkward.

Why can't the people guy be a techie? Obviously if he went to school then he would know the skills.
 

kyrax12

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May 21, 2010
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Networking all the way. Always. Without networking, you're becoming one of the expendable "cannon fodder" type of guys that has to prove himself.

You make progress in life by networking and networking alone. If you are networked, opportunities will present themselves, whether you are able to take advantage of them or not. It's not what you do or how, it's who you know. I can't say I'm a people guy (I don't even have a Facebook account) so you can imagine I learned this the hard way.

mind giving me some tips on how to network?
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Yes soft skills ate more important than what you know as well. Comes a close second to who you know.

Actually, I read an article recently where the authors did a study that showed that charm had nothing to do with success. Couldn't find it on a quick google search but it was pretty recent (within the week).
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Actually, I read an article recently where the authors did a study that showed that charm had nothing to do with success. Couldn't find it on a quick google search but it was pretty recent (within the week).

Soft skills aren't charm, it's more communication, body language, negotiating, organization awareness, etc.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
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Soft skills aren't charm, it's more communication, body language, negotiating, organization awareness, etc.

Yeah I get the difference. I didn't actually read the article. The word in the title may have been "charisma". I'll see if I can find it and we'll see what it means.
 

SamurAchzar

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mind giving me some tips on how to network?

There's the hard way and there's the easy way. The hard way would be working in many places (usually fit for a contractor), excelling in each project, maintaining good personal connections and becoming the "go-to guy" for the people who know you for problems you know how to solve. If you follow what I posted later and do your work properly you will end up pretty well connected.

The easy way requires lots of soft skills and self marketing but not everyone has it. I suck in self marketing. I can market stuff reasonably well but always feel like a douchebag when promoting myself, which is a shame really.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
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If we had a GPA in the UK, mine would suck, but my innate charisma, charm and sex appeal would make people realise I'm more than just a number.

My brother just got his GPA it's 3.91 (Apparently that's good!)... so yay!
 

shortylickens

No Lifer
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I'd have to agree with above poster I dont feel like quoting. Its more likely a nerd will become more business-social as he spends time with the company. But social people who are afraid of computers and gadgets rarely get better with them regardless of time spent at the company. Their people skills normally help them find solutions to technical problems. And by "finding solutions" I mean "getting someone else to do it for them".
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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OP your post is about experience, not networking.

In reality, networking is about who you know and sadly that always trumps anything else.

I'd be way ahead if I took advantage of that (as well as my early hacking days of the 80's and 90's when borderline retards were re-selling 1000's of dollars of carded stuff each month).

I am too ethical for that.
 

spidey07

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I'd have to agree with above poster I dont feel like quoting. Its more likely a nerd will become more business-social as he spends time with the company. But social people who are afraid of computers and gadgets rarely get better with them regardless of time spent at the company. Their people skills normally help them find solutions to technical problems. And by "finding solutions" I mean "getting someone else to do it for them".

Yes. Now you're figuring it out and connecting the dots. Be the guy telling the technical person what to do.
 

shortylickens

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Yes. Now you're figuring it out and connecting the dots. Be the guy telling the technical person what to do.

Yup. Most high level managers, executives and CEO's are NOT detail-oriented people. They are big-picture people who also learned the art of negotiating and posses excellent social skills.
I'd rather be one of those than a highly-successful wage slave. The problem is you end up being ruthlessly competitive and cut-throat.
Upside is you bone considerably hotter women over the course of your life. Money by itself is not an aphrodisiac. Its the power that acquired the money to begin with.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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Yup. Most high level managers, executives and CEO's are NOT detail-oriented people. They are big-picture people who also learned the art of negotiating and posses excellent social skills.
I'd rather be one of those than a highly-successful wage slave. The problem is you end up being ruthlessly competitive and cut-throat.
Upside is you bone considerably hotter women over the course of your life. Money by itself is not an aphrodisiac. Its the power that acquired the money to begin with.

in reality though, as a smooth talker you could be boning hot women making only $25/hr or less.
 

Joepublic2

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Jan 22, 2005
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People can rarely learn people skills.

It can be done; I'm slightly autistic (as diagnosed by a real doctor, not self diagnosed internet autistic) and most people can't tell anymore, at least until they get to know me fairly well. But I like to relax and let it all hang out on internet forums.
 

Hugo Drax

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Networking is key, and if your known in your industry as the go to guy that gets things done. You are set for life.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Yup. Most high level managers, executives and CEO's are NOT detail-oriented people. They are big-picture people who also learned the art of negotiating and posses excellent social skills.
I'd rather be one of those than a highly-successful wage slave. The problem is you end up being ruthlessly competitive and cut-throat.
Upside is you bone considerably hotter women over the course of your life. Money by itself is not an aphrodisiac. Its the power that acquired the money to begin with.

I don't think that's always true. The managing directors at my firm (the guys making $300-$400k) are very very sharp. I've gone into meetings with them where someone will give a very thorough 10-12 minute talk about a project of some kind and they'll rip it apart immediately. "Did you think of 'x'? What about 'y'? Why didn't you consider 'z'? Talk to bob in client communications and make sure they're aware."
 

kyrax12

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I don't think that's always true. The managing directors at my firm (the guys making $300-$400k) are very very sharp. I've gone into meetings with them where someone will give a very thorough 10-12 minute talk about a project of some kind and they'll rip it apart immediately. "Did you think of 'x'? What about 'y'? Why didn't you consider 'z'? Talk to bob in client communications and make sure they're aware."

Dang. I wish I could be as detail oriented as them. I really need to improve my sharpness and my people skills.
 

kyrax12

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It can be done; I'm slightly autistic (as diagnosed by a real doctor, not self diagnosed internet autistic) and most people can't tell anymore, at least until they get to know me fairly well. But I like to relax and let it all hang out on internet forums.

Well what do u tend to do that is not out of the norm? Sorry I am a complete noob at autism.
 

Paladin3

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Networking always wins, provided you have the skills for the job, and sometimes even if you don't.

Hiring managers naturally want the process to be as quick and painless for them as possible. If they can hire a known, liked, qualified person then they will do so to avoid sifting through resumes and hiring an unknown.

And it's not unheard of for a person with less than stellar qualifications to be hired into a position because the hiring manager likes them. And it's not always a bad idea if the person is a hard worker and can be taught the job.
 

kyrax12

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May 21, 2010
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Networking always wins, provided you have the skills for the job, and sometimes even if you don't.

Hiring managers naturally want the process to be as quick and painless for them as possible. If they can hire a known, liked, qualified person then they will do so to avoid sifting through resumes and hiring an unknown.

And it's not unheard of for a person with less than stellar qualifications to be hired into a position because the hiring manager likes them. And it's not always a bad idea if the person is a hard worker and can be taught the job.

thanks for the tip.

You networked a lot?
 
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